No blame in this thread. Just stuff from MDs. The podcast is well worth the listen. May everyone remain safe and behave responsibly.Everyone has an opinion now ... where were these same people 3-4 months ago... they blame Trump but many make the claims they knew or saw this coming... that is just as bad... they all want their 5 minutes of fame on CNN/ MSNBC
What makes you think this won't be so bad and that we won't follow Italy/Spain? My hope is that we're not first and people are now seeing Italy and Spain's pain and our leaders will lock everything down NOW, which could move us towards a slower increase, "flattening the curve" so to speak, so we don't get peak infection rates we can't handle, but if we don't move fast, we're absolutely destined for Italy/Spain, especially where the population density is high, like any city. And if we watch what's going on there and don't respond ASAP, it'll be criminal. Can't believe NJ hasn't officially closed schools for Monday yet. They better. Very scary graphic on the daily new cases growth rate...Are you sure about NJ going from 29 to 69 in 24 hours? I could have sworn I saw an article on NJ.com that had us at 50 yesterday.
I still think we're going to come out of this in the end more like Japan and South Korea than Italy and Spain and even so I think we have overreacted to it, I more and more understand why with Italy and the silver lining in all this is it's a wake-up call, even if this virus is controllable here, the next one might not be and maybe this Covid-19 will help prepare us for it if/when it hits.
I might be confusing 84 with 86....where is the Training Center? Whatever building its in it will be expanded into a major conference center.
Look, I'm no scientist obviously, but a few days ago the CDC reported that South Korea deaths have all been over the age of 50, none under and 75 total deaths while Italy is at the opposite of the spectrum. I think we need to stop thinking viruses will hit all countries the same, factors matter. But so is getting ahead of this virus. South Korea I understand has while it appears Italy was caught off guard.What makes you think this won't be so bad and that we won't follow Italy/Spain? My hope is that we're not first and people are now seeing Italy and Spain's pain and our leaders will lock everything down NOW, which could move us towards a slower increase, "flattening the curve" so to speak, so we don't get peak infection rates we can't handle, but if we don't move fast, we're absolutely destined for Italy/Spain, especially where the population density is high, like any city. And if we watch what's going on there and don't respond ASAP, it'll be criminal. Can't believe NJ hasn't officially closed schools for Monday yet. They better.
South Korea also tests thousands of people. They are doing a better job isolating cases now - they are tracking people by GPS on their phones. We don't have that capability. Asians also have no problem with wearing masks in public. While not perfect, it does slow the spread. See Taiwan, Singapore, and Hong Kong. On the other hand, my friends are out at the bars, having house parties, and hanging out with people who knowingly work in the same office as confirmed covid cases.Look, I'm no scientist obviously, but a few days ago the CDC reported that South Korea deaths have all been over the age of 50, none under and 75 total deaths while Italy is at the opposite of the spectrum. I think we need to stop thinking viruses will hit all countries the same, factors matter. But so is getting ahead of this virus. South Korea I understand has while it appears Italy was caught off guard.
And getting ahead of this virus is the key and despite the criticisms about Trump and the CDC being slow moving, I think we're catching up and the PSA about washing hands,self quarantines and shutting down big events like NCAA's is big.
However, it's been a while since I stayed at a Holiday inn so I'm most likely talking out of my ass, unlike you who seems to have a good grasp of it.
Posted yesterday about the masks. I truly believe we could stop this virus in its tracks by simply requiring every single person to wear a mask outside of the house to prevent transmission (and doing this with aggressive social distancing would be even more effective). It would be about preventing infected people who are either asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic, but don't know they have the virus (there are many of these - probably 10X the number of confirmed cases, based on past history of outbreaks in other countries on the exponential growth curve, like US and most of Europe) from uknowingly transmitting the virus, as masks will prevent virus-filled droplets from entering the air from their mouths/noses from sneezing, coughing and even breathing. It's not a coincidence that the countries that have controlled their outbreaks are in Asia, where wearing masks is expected in epidemics, mostly from their experience with SARS in 2004.South Korea also tests thousands of people. They are doing a better job isolating cases now - they are tracking people by GPS on their phones. We don't have that capability. Asians also have no problem with wearing masks in public. While not perfect, it does slow the spread. See Taiwan, Singapore, and Hong Kong. On the other hand, my friends are out at the bars, having house parties, and hanging out with people who knowingly work in the same office as confirmed covid cases.
Yup have the same belief. Think about masks being good for keeping germs in rather than keeping germs out.Posted yesterday about the masks. I truly believe we could stop this virus in its tracks by simply requiring every single person to wear a mask outside of the house to prevent transmission (and doing this with aggressive social distancing would be even more effective). It would be about preventing infected people who are either asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic, but don't know they have the virus (there are many of these - probably 10X the number of confirmed cases, based on past history of outbreaks in other countries on the exponential growth curve, like US and most of Europe) from uknowingly transmitting the virus, as masks will prevent virus-filled droplets from entering the air from their mouths/noses from sneezing, coughing and even breathing. It's not a coincidence that the countries that have controlled their outbreaks are in Asia, where wearing masks is expected in epidemics, mostly from their experience with SARS in 2004.
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...ng-ugly-good-luck.191275/page-14#post-4450962
Welcome back. We need everyone working together on encouraging aggressive social distancing, at this point, including our governments at every level, and all of us as individuals, as it's the only way to prevent us from heading down that path to Italy/Spain, which is where we're still heading as of today. Best of luck to you and yours in this effort.
Everyone has an opinion now ... where were these same people 3-4 months ago... they blame Trump but many make the claims they knew or saw this coming... that is just as bad... they all want their 5 minutes of fame on CNN/ MSNBC
What makes you think this won't be so bad and that we won't follow Italy/Spain? My hope is that we're not first and people are now seeing Italy and Spain's pain and our leaders will lock everything down NOW, which could move us towards a slower increase, "flattening the curve" so to speak, so we don't get peak infection rates we can't handle, but if we don't move fast, we're absolutely destined for Italy/Spain, especially where the population density is high, like any city. And if we watch what's going on there and don't respond ASAP, it'll be criminal. Can't believe NJ hasn't officially closed schools for Monday yet. They better. Very scary graphic on the daily new cases growth rate...
Look, I'm no scientist obviously, but a few days ago the CDC reported that South Korea deaths have all been over the age of 50, none under and 75 total deaths while Italy is at the opposite of the spectrum. I think we need to stop thinking viruses will hit all countries the same, factors matter. But so is getting ahead of this virus. South Korea I understand has while it appears Italy was caught off guard.
And getting ahead of this virus is the key and despite the criticisms about Trump and the CDC being slow moving, I think we're catching up and the PSA about washing hands,self quarantines and shutting down big events like NCAA's is big.
However, it's been a while since I stayed at a Holiday inn so I'm most likely talking out of my ass, unlike you who seems to have a good grasp of it.
South Korea also tests thousands of people. They are doing a better job isolating cases now - they are tracking people by GPS on their phones. We don't have that capability. Asians also have no problem with wearing masks in public. While not perfect, it does slow the spread. See Taiwan, Singapore, and Hong Kong. On the other hand, my friends are out at the bars, having house parties, and hanging out with people who knowingly work in the same office as confirmed covid cases.
Now, if only there were masks available for purchase, maybe we could start the trend. A recent article in the NYT talked about how 95% of the surgical masks sold in the USA are made in China, the few remaining US-based manufacturers have 1000x times the orders they normally get and have no hope of fulfilling them. China is just now starting to get their production lines back online, and are fulfilling domestic demand for masks while slow-playing the rest of the world. IMO, the CCP will use this event as a giant f-u to the West.
Moderators! Please stop the bullshit with merging of threads. My thread was distinct and separate from @RU848789 's thread for a reason.https://peterattiamd.com/peterhotez/
This guy is not a lackey. If you want to hear directly from an expert and not filtered through media sources or non-experts, this is a good listen.
Regularly listen to Peter Attia, MD on regular medical issues pertaining to longevity.
His guest on this podcast is
Peter Jay Hotez, M.D., Ph.D.
https://www.bcm.edu/people/view/peter-hotez-m-d-ph-d/b1846a47-ffed-11e2-be68-080027880ca6
Education
M.D. from Weill Cornell Medical College
05/1987 - New York, NY, United States
Ph.D. from The Rockefeller University
05/1986 - New York, NY, United States
B.A. (magna cum laude) from Yale University
05/1980 - New Haven, Connecticut, United States
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They should allow people work from home if they are capable of working at home. If you feel strongly about it and they don’t budge, maybe take vacation days or sick days and they may change their mind in a week or so.I work at large financial company listed in S&P 500. We have different divisions all over country and world, several thousand employed total. My division and office is in Bergen County, 2 connecting 12 floors buildings, we only have 1 complete floor with about 100 people. Probably 1500-2000 total people in the buildings, also a daycare, doctor’s offices, a shared cafeteria, elevators, gym, visitors in and out..etc. 4 people on my floor have been quarantined since family or they have been out of country, several others have went home “sick.” Company position is for us to be in the office Monday morning despite us all having remote capability and not much need for “customer” involvement. We still just have our 1 remote day per week. With all the other large companies, sports leagues, schools, now towns, shut down, I think the company position is a bit irresponsible. Granted, I’m not an alarmist and maybe this virus is exaggerated, maybe not...but at this point, better safe than sorry. Any thoughts or similar work from home stories out there??
Id use the one remote day on Monday and wait for new updates. My company was wishy washy about it all week last week. CEO even went to our huge, crowded open space office the previous Friday to be like "see, what's the big deal". Thursday, had a webcast at 9am to tell everyone the show must go on. By 4pm, email goes out to say all non essential workers wfh.I work at large financial company listed in S&P 500. We have different divisions all over country and world, several thousand employed total. My division and office is in Bergen County, 2 connecting 12 floors buildings, we only have 1 complete floor with about 100 people. Probably 1500-2000 total people in the buildings, also a daycare, doctor’s offices, a shared cafeteria, elevators, gym, visitors in and out..etc. 4 people on my floor have been quarantined since family or they have been out of country, several others have went home “sick.” Company position is for us to be in the office Monday morning despite us all having remote capability and not much need for “customer” involvement. We still just have our 1 remote day per week. With all the other large companies, sports leagues, schools, now towns, shut down, I think the company position is a bit irresponsible. Granted, I’m not an alarmist and maybe this virus is exaggerated, maybe not...but at this point, better safe than sorry. Any thoughts or similar work from home stories out there??
Need to confirm they can support #’s of remote access or there could be issuesThey should allow people work from home if they are capable of working at home. If you feel strongly about it and they don’t budge, maybe take vacation days or sick days and they may change their mind in a week or so.
Another possibility is to go in wearing mask and latex gloves.
Hoboken the leader of the effort to control the coronavirus? You better believe it.
This is what we need to do country-wide, now, especially in densely populated areas like every city and most suburbs. But we need this being led and coordinated federally and at the State level, not by individual towns. It's the only way to prevent us going down the path of Italy/Spain, where their health care systems are being overwhelmed. We're about 6-7 days from that as we speak.
Here's yesterday's article/details...
HOBOKEN, N.J. (WCBS 880) — The city of Hoboken in New Jersey is implementing a curfew and closing some bars to combat the spread of coronavirus.
"The City of Hoboken is doing everything possible to advance social distancing, including preventing large gatherings anywhere in the City. The health and safety of residents is my number one priority," Mayor Ravi Bhalla said in a statement.
Under new measures announced Saturday night, all bars and restaurants, with and without a liquor license, are no longer permitted to serve food within the restaurant or bar, but will limited to food takeout and food delivery service only.
If a bar does not currently offer food, they will no longer be permitted to operate and are no longer permitted to serve alcohol, effective March 15th at 11 a.m.
The city's Office of Emergency Management is also implementing a city-wide daily curfew that will be in effect from 10 p.m. through 5 a.m. effective Monday until further notice.
During this curfew, all residents will be required to stay in their homes except for emergencies, or if they are required to work by their employer.
"As I am writing this message on a Saturday evening, I received a call from our Police Chief Kenneth Ferrante notifying me of a bar fight in downtown Hoboken, with at least one person falling in and out of consciousness, and our police having to wait for over 30 minutes for an ambulance to arrive, because our EMS is inundated with service calls," Bhalla said. "This is unfortunately a contributing factor why we cannot continue bar operations which can trigger calls for service that are delayed in part because of this public health crisis."
"These are extremely challenging times, and we are seeing a substantial uptick of positive COVID-19 cases throughout New Jersey and throughout the world," Bhalla added. "The time is now to enact proactive policies that will help save lives in the long run. We’ve asked families with children to be a part of social distancing by closing our schools. We must all now do our part."
"I completely recognize that these measures will result in substantial changes and inconveniences to our daily lives. However, these measures are being taken to save lives and protect our residents. I strongly urge residents to continue to take every measure possible in order to practice social distancing, washing your hands, and sanitizing all surfaces," the statement concluded.
Hoboken had already ordered all gyms, day cares, move theaters, playgrounds and ballfields in the city to close over the outbreak; parks will remain open. The city is also suspending street cleaning.
Hoboken is closing public and charter schools for two weeks starting Monday. The Hoboken Public School District will provide breakfast and lunch service to all students who qualify for free and reduced lunch in any of the four public school districts (Hoboken Public School District, Elysian, HoLa and Hoboken Charter School). Meal service will be available for pick up from 8:30-10:30am and can be picked up from the 9th Street side door (between Clinton and Grand Streets) of the Hoboken High School cafeteria.
Hoboken announced Friday that its first known positive case of coronavirus in the city was a man in his 40s who was being kept in self-isolaton at home.
Two people have died in New Jersey because of coronavirus. The state has a total of 69 confirmed COVID-19 cases.
I work at large financial company listed in S&P 500. We have different divisions all over country and world, several thousand employed total. My division and office is in Bergen County, 2 connecting 12 floors buildings, we only have 1 complete floor with about 100 people. Probably 1500-2000 total people in the buildings, also a daycare, doctor’s offices, a shared cafeteria, elevators, gym, visitors in and out..etc. 4 people on my floor have been quarantined since family or they have been out of country, several others have went home “sick.” Company position is for us to be in the office Monday morning despite us all having remote capability and not much need for “customer” involvement. We still just have our 1 remote day per week. With all the other large companies, sports leagues, schools, now towns, shut down, I think the company position is a bit irresponsible. Granted, I’m not an alarmist and maybe this virus is exaggerated, maybe not...but at this point, better safe than sorry. Any thoughts or similar work from home stories out there??
I wonder who insures your company. There was some word that this thing can cause lung damage reducing capacity, probably for life. Whoever insures this company against lawsuits for negligence for avoidable death and injury should have a little conversation with this CEO. Perhaps a whistleblower-type phone call or email might be in order.I work at large financial company listed in S&P 500. We have different divisions all over country and world, several thousand employed total. My division and office is in Bergen County, 2 connecting 12 floors buildings, we only have 1 complete floor with about 100 people. Probably 1500-2000 total people in the buildings, also a daycare, doctor’s offices, a shared cafeteria, elevators, gym, visitors in and out..etc. 4 people on my floor have been quarantined since family or they have been out of country, several others have went home “sick.” Company position is for us to be in the office Monday morning despite us all having remote capability and not much need for “customer” involvement. We still just have our 1 remote day per week. With all the other large companies, sports leagues, schools, now towns, shut down, I think the company position is a bit irresponsible. Granted, I’m not an alarmist and maybe this virus is exaggerated, maybe not...but at this point, better safe than sorry. Any thoughts or similar work from home stories out there??
what's your source for that "diary"?Thought this was interesting...we're on Day 11, 6 days from a total lockdown. Will we do better? The jury is out. Fauci was just on CNN basically saying we need a Federally let lockdown, but saying he wasn't there to make policy, meaning he knows our Administration doesn't support that, sadly. As per the link I posted on Friday, for every day one waits for total lockdown, 40% more cases will occur.
My Coronavirus timeline in Italy (by Tanya Alice).
What day are you on?
Day -1 (Feb 20 - 3 cases) - It's something happening in a far away country.
Day 2 (Feb 23 - 152 cases) - Oh wow, there are cases of this in my country. But it's just like the flu, no need to panic. Everyone is overreacting. And it's well away from my area.
Day 4 (Feb 25) - They are closing schools and canceling sporting events in other parts of my country. But it really only affects old people. I'll be fine.
Day 5 (Feb 26 - 424 cases)- Let's talk about the politics of this. Politicizing it will probably lead to solutions.
Day 6 (Feb 27) - This is really going to hurt the tourism industry. We need to all support our friends losing jobs now.
Day 7 (Feb 28) -Ok, I think I've finally figured out how to wash my hands. 20 seconds seems like a really long time. Is this necessary? Why are some people wearing face masks?
Day 8 (Feb 29 - 1,128 cases)- Just getting back from visiting all my friends, hugging, eating, drinking, traveling, everything is normal.
Day 9 (Mar 1) - A lot of gossip, I heard there was someone in my city with it. It hasn't been confirmed but I know someone who knows someone who works at a hospital.
Day 11 (Mar 3 - 2502 cases)
Day 12 (Mar 4) - All schools are closing. Should I close my school? But what about our St. Patrick's day party? What about our plans this week? I've already scheduled everything. We need to meet about the Ireland trip this summer!
Day 13 (Mar 5) - A scramble to organize distance learning. Training staff over conference calls how to work remotely. Collecting things from the office to bring home.
Day 14 (Mar 6 - 4636 cases)
Day 15 (Mar 7) - Everyone you know is worried that their cold isn't a cold. Coughing in public is frowned upon.
Day 16 (Mar 8 ) - Acceptance. This is happening. Many people are working from home. More offices are sending their workers home. More people are wearing masks and gloves in public. There are more cases reported, more fatalities, and now people closer and closer to home. This is real. We need to be part of the solution.
Day 17 (Mar 9 - 9,172 cases) - Total nationwide shutdown. #iostoacasa is trending (#ImStayingHome). You can leave your house for work, groceries or health reasons. Bars and resturants are open from 6am-6pm. No congregating on the streets. Maintain social distancing, one meter apart.
Day 19 (Mar 11) - Even more total shutdown. No more bars and resturants. All retail workers are out of work. Grocery stores and pharmacies can stay open as well as employees working on production and supply chains.
Day 20 (Mar 12 - 15,113 cases) - Cabin fever starts, but settling into remote working. More chatting and connecting with others over the phone and internet. Gosh I hope my phone doesn't break.
Day 21 (Mar 13) - Scrolling through Facebook and realizing, most of my friends in the UK, US and Australia are on day 4.
As of March 12 there over 15,000 cases and over 1000 deaths in italy. 1,258 people have "recovered" and there are still 12,839 active cases of which 1,153 are critical, requiring hospitalisation with a ventilator.
It's day 72 in China.”
Uhhh, it's a diary, so I assume it's someone's FB account. The numbers are correct; the comments are that person's observations, presumably.what's your source for that "diary"?
Separate to differentiate yourself from fear mongering?Moderators! Please stop the bullshit with merging of threads. My thread was distinct and separate from @RU848789 's thread for a reason.
Whoever merged the threads should be ashamed of themselves.
3 members in Montgomery Twp Somerset County tested positive under home quarantine.
Posted yesterday about the masks. I truly believe we could stop this virus in its tracks by simply requiring every single person to wear a mask outside of the house to prevent transmission (and doing this with aggressive social distancing would be even more effective). It would be about preventing infected people who are either asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic, but don't know they have the virus (there are many of these - probably 10X the number of confirmed cases, based on past history of outbreaks in other countries on the exponential growth curve, like US and most of Europe) from uknowingly transmitting the virus, as masks will prevent virus-filled droplets from entering the air from their mouths/noses from sneezing, coughing and even breathing. It's not a coincidence that the countries that have controlled their outbreaks are in Asia, where wearing masks is expected in epidemics, mostly from their experience with SARS in 2004.
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...ng-ugly-good-luck.191275/page-14#post-4450962
Where did you see/hear this not seeing it reported
Problem is, not enough people are heeding the warnings and staying home.Peeps stop creating fear. Showing #'s on how many will die is creating panic. How many people are getting stressed out and are going to die from heart attacks and strokes reading all this . Just heed the warnings, wash your hands and stay home. Simple
And bosses still be like: "You still need to come in to the office..."Problem is, not enough people are heeding the warnings and staying home.