COVID-19 Pandemic: Transmissions, Deaths, Treatments, Vaccines, Interventions and More...
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do you work for the town parks department? Because you are really moving the goalposts.
I said three deaths on June 8th, not the 10th. Have another drink.
How do I sound happy? I'm posting facts and making a judgement off that. You are posting misleading stats and basing your argument off that.
And it was not me that you asked that question of.
Not me, those protests will def contribute to the rise in cases.
I will say that a decent number of those protesters were wearing masks, I think there was some level of social distancing going on, at least at times.
But yeah, like opening the economy, those protests will lead to a rise in cases.
How can you quantify protests positives?? Most didn't live anywhere near the town they protested in
If the fatality rate is on the decline, you should be happy about that. It seems you don't want to want the numbers to decline. Very sad.
BTW - I don't work for the town. Where do you work? Has your income been affected by the shut down?
you said "most recent" total. It's not hard to find the post.
Arizona Hospitals Told To Activate ‘Emergency Plans’ Amid Coronavirus Spike
Since Arizona lifted its stay-at-home order on May 15, coronavirus cases have increased 115%, reaching record highs and leading officials to call on hospitals to “fully activate” their emergency plans as intensive care units reach capacity.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexan...cy-plans-amid-coronavirus-spike/#ac508ab237f4
Since Arizona lifted its stay-at-home order on May 15, coronavirus cases have increased 115%, reaching record highs and leading officials to call on hospitals to “fully activate” their emergency plans as intensive care units reach capacity.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexan...cy-plans-amid-coronavirus-spike/#ac508ab237f4
They didn’t come close to herd immunity. Last time I checked they were only at like 7% of the population got infected. Social distancing helped them more.
Income was not impacted.
yes, why didn't you share today's data of 78 days? You then claimed the page did not update today's data. I clicked the page you sent it did. You are a liar.
I'm gonna call you out because we are on the same side of the argument, but can we stop with the mud throwing.
no it hasn't been. But you are moving the goal posts and cherry picking and lying.
dude comes at me in every post with his stupidity, and hasn't posted one non political thing or non-attack in this thread, and is a known drunk he brags about it all the time.
How many books have you burned today?
Not drunk, yet.
Just had a few boilermakers of jager with BL
Wrong. I went back to the post and here's what it says "Their numbers are bottoming out. they went from 185 deaths on April 21 down to 3 deaths on June 8th."
Only going to get worse too. Perhaps much worse in fall.
And I don't think shutting things back down is the answer, but I do suspect AZ was not taking this too seriously. I suspect this because I talk to a lot of people in NJ who are still comparing this to the flu.
How do we know only 7% have been infected? Have they given the antibody test to every citizen?
Glad to hear your income hasn't been affected. As for those it has, f*ck em. Right? Let's keep the panic going and collapse the economy.
Can we not find a middle ground where we accept it's a major concern, but still not go into panic mode?
I have no agenda, but I do have empathy. I feel bad for the millions of unemployed and the millions with no prospects. If opening up businesses helps those people and it doesn't result to large increase in deaths from COVID, then we should open up. There's no way we're going to get down to zero, but we have to think about the amount of deaths and misery the shut down is causing.
Based on antibody testing. Not everyone obviously, but you don’t need to test everyone to estimate.
Definitely not f*ck everyone who’s been impacted, just saying how it is.
Sure. Let's open back up, but make sure the vulnerable are protected. By vulnerable, that's anyone is old or frail and anyone with lung disease or overweight.
I agree.
But people forget that NYC was on the verge of being overrun. And yeah they built field hospitals, and brought in boats that were not necessary, but they definitely would have been necessary if not for the shut downs.
I think the question as to why Sweden(or Miami or Dallas) was not overrun while NYC(and cities in Italy and Spain and the UK) was is a very intersting one. But I don't think you can say, hey Sweden didn't shut down, thus we should not have either. Their situation was much different.
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And masks. So many people are against them, but they seem like such an easy measure to take. Even if the efficacy turns out to be minimal, there is no damage done by wearing masks.
Still I think certain segments of the economy are going to have serious issues even as we try to open up.
You really ought to do a little more reading and a little less ill-informed posting. One of the highest death rates per capita in Europe - and far higher than its similarly situated Nordic neighbors - and they're only at ~7% infection rate so far, which is way, way below the 55-80% herd immunity level.
How am I lying? Here is the link right here:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
Take a look at the graph. The number of deaths is on a downward trend.
While your income hasn't been affected, I guess you don't give a Damm about anybody else, but can't you have just the tiniest bit of empathy for the millions of unemployed who's checks are about to run out and have no job to go back to?
Sweden admits to being too optimistic in its CV planning
We should have done more, admits architect of Sweden's Covid-19 strategy
"Sweden’s death rate per capita was the highest in the world over the seven days to 2 June, figures suggest. This week the government bowed to mounting opposition pressure and promised to set up a commission to look into its Covid-19 strategy.
“If we were to encounter the same disease again knowing exactly what we know about it today, I think we would settle on doing something in between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world has done,” Tegnell said. It would be “good to know exactly what to shut down to curb the spread of infection better”, he added."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-strategy-admits-too-many-died-anders-tegnell
We should have done more, admits architect of Sweden's Covid-19 strategy
"Sweden’s death rate per capita was the highest in the world over the seven days to 2 June, figures suggest. This week the government bowed to mounting opposition pressure and promised to set up a commission to look into its Covid-19 strategy.
“If we were to encounter the same disease again knowing exactly what we know about it today, I think we would settle on doing something in between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world has done,” Tegnell said. It would be “good to know exactly what to shut down to curb the spread of infection better”, he added."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-strategy-admits-too-many-died-anders-tegnell
You really should stop rooting for Sweden to fail. Take a look at the graph:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
Their death rate is going down.
The economy has been collapsed, OK? We are at depression numbers and economist say it will take nine years to recover. You're mission has been accomplished. You can stop spreading the fear now at let us get back to work.
And if I'm not mistaken they never had the major cluster situation like we saw in other Euro countries with high death rates.
Also to back up your "nordic neighbors" point
Sweden 4795 deaths, 475 deaths per million.
Finland 328 deaths, 58 deaths per million.
To be fair, Finland's population density is a third lower than Sweden's. Population density has more than a little to do with disease spread.
Proud is often pretty far to the right and a bit reactionary at times on the CE board, but in this thread he's been mostly on the side of the science, since the beginning, and trying to see what we can do to contain this pandemic.
That's a massive part of the population. You know that, right? Like way over half.
So ...how do you do that?
Is this a too simplistic summary of the options:
Gov Murphy continues the quarantine/lock down indefinitely until a vaccine is available to keep infections low - but econommy and quality of life goes down for everyone
Or
Gov Murphy opens up the state now that hospitals have recovered from the surge and lets businesses start to recover ' but this likely leads to an increase in infections/deaths until "herd immunity" is reached
Gov Murphy continues the quarantine/lock down indefinitely until a vaccine is available to keep infections low - but econommy and quality of life goes down for everyone
Or
Gov Murphy opens up the state now that hospitals have recovered from the surge and lets businesses start to recover ' but this likely leads to an increase in infections/deaths until "herd immunity" is reached
while no one in your family has died (hopefully) of Corona virus, I guess you don't give a damn about the 110,000 dead Americans who are dead. You don't get paid to work when you are dead. See how easy your logic is. No deaths are un an upward trend, they had 78 today.
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