I shared your opinion with my friend that maybe his doctor meant a spike in tests and he replied back "I think you're right".
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They had 800 positives in 5400 tests?
I'm wondering if there is not a backlog issue, if not that is scary.
Again, the ball is no longer in the hands of states like NJ, NY, MA, and PA. Which coincidentally all lean left. It's now in the hands of states like FL, TX, AZ, and Bama, which all lean right.
And I think there is a benefit there as this should, hopefully, no longer be seen as a partisan issue. We need to approach this the right way.
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A big factor is an increase in testing. Our testing capacity had to climb from an embarrassingly low place, and many other countries are in the same boat. Initially some places were testing only emergency room cases (I encountered this personally in March); so as you go from testing critical cases to all cases, a mortalities per test rate begin to improve dramatically. To tie back to your original question, it very well could be that total cases are falling right along side total deaths, but we can’t depict that graphically because our testing rate is only growing.
That’s why you’re hearing a lot of networks talk about hospitalizations. It’s the best way to get even look at the scope of the crisis over the past few months. Cases up in Texas? Ok...that could just be because we’re testing more. Hospitalizations increasing? That’s probably evidence of more infections.
Regeneron announced they've started clinical trials for their antibody cocktail. They're convinced their mixture of 2 antibodies will be better than the single antibody products others have. They're also the only ones who have shown this antibody cocktail approach to be effective in the real world with Ebola 2 years ago. They've been my pick all along to be the leader for this technology - has the potential to be a cure for most, as well as a preventative for most. If safe/effective, approvals could come by the end of summer.
Scaling up to meet demands for treatment is doable, as the numbers are small, while scaling up to meet demands for prevention, will take many months; this could be a stopgap until vaccines are ready - most expect antibodies would only confer immunity for "months" so might be most appropriate for front line workers and the most vulnerable among us. Second link is from a few months ago, but does a great job explaining the science involved.
https://www.fiercebiotech.com/biotech/regeneron-starts-testing-covid-19-antibody-cocktail-humans
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/new-york-biotech-company-working-make-antibody-treatment-coronavirus-n1154566?fbclid=IwAR1FFGWD3eRNdUY7g7SYSHpXy-
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It actually was addressed by the Obama Administration. There was a detailed playbook left for Trump who decided to ignore it.
I disagree. The government, particularly in NJ and NY made things much worse then they had to be. Walmart and Target are always packed. In general people aren't afraid to go out as long as they have a mask. I don't have statistics to point to, but that is my take from what I'm observing. Unfortunately, we did shut down, so we'll never know for sure what would have happened. As for Sweden, I'm sure businesses were mostly hit by COVID because the rest of the world shut down.
If you don't get my point of doing what you can to limit harm, you are beyond help. It's a fairly easy concept. Have a nice day as well.
True and even more, Azar and the Dept of Health and Human Services conducted a pandemic simulation, called Crimson Tide last year to evaluate whether we were ready (no) for a pandemic, plus the CSIS (highly respected bipartisan DC think tank) came out with a very detailed analysis of what was needed to protect human health/national security last year, also.
Having said that, though, every administration failed to spend serious money on developing the kind of testing/tracing/isolating infrastructure we needed to have in place or on greatly expanding the Federal stockpile of medical equipment/PPE. Even so, the Trump Administration did essentially nothing to improve upon either of these areas until March, wasting 6-8 weeks of time we could've been preparing.
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...entions-and-more.191275/page-124#post-4570673
NJ with 83 deaths still amongst the highest in the nation.
I think that says a couple things.
1)This was talked about a little the other day. While ventilators may keep a person alive for awhile, it's not saving many lives. So we are seeing deaths from people who were intubated a whiles back.
2)Covid fatality rates are even more cloudy at the present time as it takes some Covid victims a long time to die.
3)As an extension of the above, in order to determine if Covid is weakening we should be tracing the death back to time of initial symptom. We may see deaths now and think, look people are still dying from this, but these may be people who had been fighting this for a month(maybe more, I don't know).
I think that says a couple things.
1)This was talked about a little the other day. While ventilators may keep a person alive for awhile, it's not saving many lives. So we are seeing deaths from people who were intubated a whiles back.
2)Covid fatality rates are even more cloudy at the present time as it takes some Covid victims a long time to die.
3)As an extension of the above, in order to determine if Covid is weakening we should be tracing the death back to time of initial symptom. We may see deaths now and think, look people are still dying from this, but these may be people who had been fighting this for a month(maybe more, I don't know).
I have a lot of hope for this as well, the question is how long will trials take and get enough made to use for treatment for severely ill
I don’t think any reputable body of science has found that it’s weakened so far. Yes, I’ve seen the one off doctor here and there.
It's been discussed to a degree here but a couple articles with advice as more things re-open.
https://www.ft.com/content/2418ff87-1d41-41b5-b638-38f5164a2e94
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/06/health/virus-reopenings.html
https://www.ft.com/content/2418ff87-1d41-41b5-b638-38f5164a2e94
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/06/health/virus-reopenings.html
The last time that we were this concerned with cases was when we were watching the babes on Deal or No Deal.
You really are an idiot. You love to point out just the bad news. South Carolina has a total of 15k cases through all this. NJ 166k. NJ 12.5k deaths. SC 568.
Please Stop the BS. Even after adjusting for population differences SC has done a lot better than NJ and is fine. Stop spreading panic and misinformation.
I love when you get called out on your flawed posts and it goes directly to an insult with zero comment to refute it. It means you know you are wrong but were hoping to fool people. You are only fooling yourself.
When SC deaths approach half of what NJ is you would be correct and you can come back and say I told you so. But right now you are just a fear mongering clown with no real data to support your view.
I just sent real data you absolute clown. No one said South Carolina is as bad as NJ. 678 cases today turns in 1,250 cases in 3 weeks clown.
Maybe it is, and maybe it isn't, but the data can be helpful in deciding.
Also consider when people say "look deaths in TX are not aligning with deaths the way they were in NJ in the early stages". But maybe we have just gotten better at keeping people alive longer, not necessarily keeping them alive post covid, and TX will see those deaths further down the line.
So after California at #1 in new cases it goes:
Texas
Florida
Arizona
NC
Georgia
Alabama.
Bright side here is hopefully this gets us on the same page where we acknowledge this is a countrywide issue and not just a democratic state issue.
Conversely dems need to acknowledge that shutting down the economy again is not a real option.
Texas
Florida
Arizona
NC
Georgia
Alabama.
Bright side here is hopefully this gets us on the same page where we acknowledge this is a countrywide issue and not just a democratic state issue.
Conversely dems need to acknowledge that shutting down the economy again is not a real option.
More antibody treatment news. This one saying they might be ready as soon as September for emergency use.
Only crappy thing about antibody treatment is there isn’t much scale....looks like we’ll only be able to get into the millions of doses this year, not the hundreds of millions like we need. So we’ll only have enough for the high risk folks.
https://www.biospace.com/article/el...vid-19-antibody-treatment-ready-by-september/
Only crappy thing about antibody treatment is there isn’t much scale....looks like we’ll only be able to get into the millions of doses this year, not the hundreds of millions like we need. So we’ll only have enough for the high risk folks.
https://www.biospace.com/article/el...vid-19-antibody-treatment-ready-by-september/
Governor Kemp is practically opening up everything in Georgia with few restrictions,even allowing conventions.
When he first broke with Trump in late April,Mayor Bottoms all but predicted that the bodies would pile up to the extent that Stone Mountain could no longer be seen.Unfortunately for her,that did not happen.
When he first broke with Trump in late April,Mayor Bottoms all but predicted that the bodies would pile up to the extent that Stone Mountain could no longer be seen.Unfortunately for her,that did not happen.
To start I think watching Gottlieb is essential in these days when Fauci is off the scene, but watching him today I thought a couple things were interesting.
1)When discussing the spikes in Tx and Nashville, he keeps mentioning how they don't know the source, thus they can't trace it and stop it.
And I think this relates to why Murphy has been so heavy handed in getting our #'s down. If we are at the point where we have only 500(or less) new cases then that is easier to trace a source then if we had twice that many like we had 2 weeks ago.
2)There was other stuff but the board was shut down, I had a couple beers and now I forgot. Think it had something to do with Regeneron.
1)When discussing the spikes in Tx and Nashville, he keeps mentioning how they don't know the source, thus they can't trace it and stop it.
And I think this relates to why Murphy has been so heavy handed in getting our #'s down. If we are at the point where we have only 500(or less) new cases then that is easier to trace a source then if we had twice that many like we had 2 weeks ago.
2)There was other stuff but the board was shut down, I had a couple beers and now I forgot. Think it had something to do with Regeneron.
He's continuing to lift restrictions, but there still are a fair amount in place.
https://www.11alive.com/article/new...order/85-078f5a01-23b8-469f-acb7-17b6be5d964a
The idea that Ga and other southern states have been "open with few restrictions" is a false narrative.
They still have pretty low hospitalizations though, even though it’s been increasing. Really sounds like some states might end up learning the hard way.
No one but you clown
You sent incomplete data. You are a fear monger. You post like these open states are suddenly being overwhelmed. You present the facts that support you insane position that we have to shut everything down until there is vaccine. There is no need to wait for something that may never come. Get in your bunker if you afraid but stop posting like the worst is coming. That ship sailed. And disgusting that you wish for it to get worse.
The economy will mostly shut itself down. Not completely of course, but if we have a major resurgence, demand will shrink significantly. Perhaps supply too to the extent manufacturing is interrupted by workplace outbreaks.
A scared consumer is not a robust, spend-happy consumer. It was essential to get this right the first time; maybe it will be OK, but we were too busy playing politics to execute a thorough, coordinated national lockdown and reopening.
I don't deny, but I'm hoping we get our act together before another major resurgence.
Despite the rising #'s most states outside AZ still have a buffer.
Just completed another section of the Appalachian Trail over the last six days, from Franklin, NC, to Fontana Dam, NC. I covered Springer Mountain to Franklin in early March. Was struck by how many Floridians and Georgians are visiting the mountains this week. No one in masks. That includes restaurant servers; well one restaurant exception at the Nantahala Outdoor Center where servers wore masks and tables were farther apart. NC's COVID-19 #s are climbing. State health director announced the possibility of reinstituting a stay-at-home order. Crazy times. No one is taking it seriously. Meanwhile, I was hoping to hit the trail again early next week, starting in the Roan Highlands (TN/NC) and hiking north thru VA. Now, with case numbers/hospitalizations rising, not so sure getting back on the trail would be wise.
It's also likely NJ had tons of missed non-severe cases at the start due to lack of testing. The most accurate model so far (in terms of predicted deaths vs. actually occurring deaths) thinks almost 18 percent of NJ has been infected while only 1. something percent of Texas has been infected according to that model. Even accounting for population differences far more NJ residents infected, so it makes sense far more NJ deaths, as well as we have figured out some things that are at least more helpful in the few months (try to use cpap machine instead of ventilator, plasma, remsidivir, etc.)
Where did my post say they would be overwhelmed? It didn't. How was the data incomplete? It wasn't. Any data you don't like results in you personally insulting people. You have no data on masks yet you spout off on them like your drunk ass knows what you're talking about. The first rule is never consume your own supply, and it's clear you have all day. I wouldn't be surprised if you posted here months ago when NJ just started having cases (you idiots we only have a few hundred cases we will be nothing like Italy). Also it's not my position to shut everything down until we have a vaccine and you will never find a post I wrote saying so. Talk about a narrative. You just made one up. I have never wished for anyone to get infected. You sick drunk putting such disgusting words in my mouth that I have never said.
And yet you have zero data to support your viewpoint. Which is constant with your doom and gloom posts.
No again you only give half ass data to support your views. The state's you posted about today are not overwhelmed. Aren't in trouble, never were. But you need keep spreading the fear. You dug a line in the sand that complete isolation is the only way out of this. You are 1000% wrong. Opening up is the way to get out of it.
Yes 48% of those New Jersey deaths due to the governors stupidity regarding nursing home residents... whose this “we” have figured some things out guy . .. sure as hell not you...
It’s amazing to me how many here take a politicalized stance on this. There’s either gloom and gloom. Or everyone else is blowing this way out of proportion. The truth almost always lies in the middle. I would think that the majority of people on a Rutgers message board are likely Rutgers graduates and would get this.
You’re a clown if you think New Jersey had enough tests in March. People lined up for days to get them. I have models and science you have alcohol
Where did I say complete isolation is the only way out of it? Please search for my post where I said that and link it? You won’t be able to because it never happened you drunk
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