As per the article I posted, many countries did better than us due to having a much healthier pop.
COVID-19 Pandemic: Transmissions, Deaths, Treatments, Vaccines, Interventions and More...
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Why are you allergic to the truth? @RU848789 has said at least 5 times in this thread that if people are very close to each other outside they should wear a mask.Reported.
For excessive whining.
Feel free to post data and evidence that supports the ridiculous idea of mandatory mask wearing outside. Even RU#'s doesn't support this.
Yeah. Nice try. That's not what is being discussed.
My data point is my neighbor 5 houses down was very fit and almost died. He looked like a holocaust survivor and couldn’t move 50 feet even with assistance. Please be smart people. While I agree with reopening safely this virus is no joke.
Cancel police. Oh geez. My goodness.
Sorry, no place in this thread to troll. CE board was deleted for a reason.
I worked today with about 10 other electricians and didn’t wear a mask. Me and all my coworkers only wear them on jobs that require them.
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Who made you in charge of this thread. You killed the CE Board. Then since you have issues you went over to TOS sight and got that shut down. A beautiful day today and you spent hours in mom's basement posting complete negative crap. Get a live dude. Tell mom to unlock the basement door!
I've never even posted on TOS. I was outdoors all day. Why do you lie in every post? you filthy drunk.
this is one of Murphys daily press conference graphics.
White Bus just got spanked. Thank you sir, may I have another?
So you admit you killed this CE board! Gotcha! I shower everyday and having my first beer and cigar. Today and didn't spend all day on this board like you. Dial 1-800- GET A LIFE. Keep up you doom and gloom negativity.
Spanked?? Too funny. Coming from a guy posting all day from mom's basement. You are too funny.
all of us know your screen name on TOS. sad you got it shut down.
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They all do it on this site. They wait for an argument involving one of their friends and then they come running over declaring that their friend won. It's weird as hell.
Im surprised you can spell truth but I know you can spell partial truth. Famous for leaving out facts.
While Marc writes a nice, simple article with no specific references to any legitimate studies.... and I agree entirely that obesity plays a role in many conditions, please refer to the 5700 patient, peer reviewed, JAMA article which places HTN above obesity as a higher risk factor. I cant believe you whine as much as you do..once again, you said "meh" if people arent obese and dont have diabetes, but cant admit that HTN and cardiovascular disease appears to trump those in the studies I presented to you. Please, you should just listen to Marc and his page of literature based on a hypothesis....I'm done with you on this topic..feel free to troll someone else... on another note, you didnt respond to the increases in NC, SC, TX, FL, AZ which are now very concerning and were predictable about two to three weeks ago...another swing and a miss for you.
HTN is a symptom of obesity. Not sure why you keep arguing. This is not debatable. Almost all of this nation's health problems are linked to obesity. HTN, diabetes, cancer, CD, etc.
Actually you do. Considering you just used the same basement line on formerly, that's lame.
I'm relaxing on my deck, reading The Escape by David Baldacci. Great weather to be outside instead of said basement.
Again, not all obese people are hypertensive. Obesity can cause HTN, but so can alcohol consumption, renal impairment, smoking, sedentary lifestyles, salt intake, stress, lack of sleep, etc. When a 5700 person, peer reviewed study shows people with HTN are more likely to develop risk averse outcomes than obese people, the conclusion from that is HTN was more prevalent than obesity as a risk factor. It doesnt mean all the hypetprtensive people were obese and it doesnt mean all obese people are hypertensive. But it does show that there are more hypertensive people than obese people in this study. Once again, you stated if you dont have diabetes and/or obesity, "meh"..no big deal if you get CV-19... Clearly, based on this study I will say you are incorrect in your statement as you excluded the most commonly occurring risk factor. HTN was the leading risk factor in determining adverse outcomes. You are like a child who cannot admit they were wrong..why?
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Good grief, the Framingham Heart study concluded that 78% of essential HTN in men and 65% in women is due to "excessive weight". I worked in the TA for a decade.
Time to admit you're wrong, save your remaining dignity, and move on.
Arguing with you is like shooting fish in a barrel. You never research anything and simply say stupid stuff constantly off the top of your head. Like this latest drivel. The reasonably large countries that have death per capita rates in the <10 per 1MM range (vs. our over 350 per 1MM and 500-800 in Europe) have been able to do that because they have greatly reduced transmission rates and cases, yet their deaths per case ratios are not far from ours. I'm sure health and comorbidities (and age - part of why Italy is so high - no idea why the UK is so high other than maybe not seeing all their cases) matter a bit, but the big differences in deaths per capita, the most important stat, is clearly a strong function of cases per capita.
Country...........Cases/1MM........Deaths/1MM........Deaths/Case.......Tests/1MM
USA.....................6397.................354.......................5.5%....................72,000
Italy......................3908.................566......................14.5%...................71,000
UK........................4316.................611......................14.1%...................95,000
Germany..............2235.................106........................4.7%...................56,000
South Korea...........234....................5.........................2.3%..................21,000
Japan.....................137....................7.........................5.3%....................2,600
China.......................58....................3..........................5.6%.......................N/A
Brazil....................3906................197.........................5.1%....................6,400
And how do these countries have such low case and death rates per capita? Early aggressive testing, tracing and isolating and early/continued mask usage with physical distancing. China is the only one of the three countries with very low deaths per capita that had to go to a lockdown, which is understandable, since they were first to be hit and had no clue what was hitting them (especially with most being told to ignore it early on). SK/Japan never instituted full lockdowns, like most other countries did.
SK tested massively early, along with other interventions to contain the outbreak and hasn't had to test nearly as much since then, given very low transmission rates. So, it's not just testing a lot, but it's really important to test early, which the US completely bungled, thanks to the CDC and the Administration. Japan has never had to test much, since they already had the most active mask culture in the world and ratcheted that up immediately, never having huge outbreaks (yet). Broken record.
Finally, getting back to health/risk factors, most would likely agree that Japan and China have healthier populations than the US, especially with regard to much lower obesity rates (which is well known) - certainly the paper from China had 6% with comorbidities vs. 75% for the US for hospitalized COVID patients. Yet China, Japan, and the US all have nearly identical deaths per case, so clearly that's likely not a big differentiator. SK likely has the lowest deaths per case ratio due to such massive early testing finding many more asymptomatic cases vs. other countries (increasing the denominator).
I threw in Germany and Brazil, just to show two more populous countries that have similar deaths per case as the US, but Germany has far less deaths per capita, since they have - wait for it - far less cases per capita, as they have a lot less transmission than the US. Brazil is rapidly catching up to the US on deaths per capita, sadly - the big difference with them is they simply started later.
I'm sure every country will, at the end of all this, have similar deaths per actual infection, as the virus just isn't that different, country to country, once it infects people; we'd actually be able to see this now, if we had country-wide antibody testing to know the actual number of infections, but we don't, so we have to deal with imperfect data.
That utlimate infection fatality rate is still likely to be 0.5-1.0%, as I've said many times, simply because we know it's around 1.0-1.2% for NY and Spain based on actual deaths and antibody results and the death rates will likely drop some, since it's likely more of the most vulnerable did die in the first wave. Also, those rates will drop hugely, when and if we get a cure/vaccine, obviously - and if that comes in 3-4 months with antibody cocktails, those countries that kept their transmission and death rates per capita so low will then feel like they truly accomplished something by saving all those lives vs. other countries that didn't implement strong interventions early on and/or didn't sustain them.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
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LOL..what am I wrong about? HTN was the number one risk factor in a 5700 person study. You completely ignore that. Without considering renal impairment, smoking habits, alcohol consumption, salt intake, race, family history, stress, sleep deprivation, etc..you can't come to the conclusion in this study that all or even most of the hypertensive patients are obese. Try and get a peer reviewed article using that logic and you will be laughed out the door.
LOL. Almost 3/4 of all HTN is due to.....wait for it.....wait for it.....just wait a little more:
Obesity!
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T2K..please address the significant increase in just about all the states you defended about two weeks ago. Remeber the ones you praised for quickly jumping back into the fray? Please exclude GA because they appear incompetent and report incorrect numbers. Focus more on the likes of AZ, SC, NC, TX.
T2k and Spare were both frequent right wing participants in the CE board. I'll be kind and say their imaginations run wild.
https://www.businessinsider.com/fac...navirus-research-2020-6?utm_source=reddit.comReported.
For excessive whining.
Feel free to post data and evidence that supports the ridiculous idea of mandatory mask wearing outside. Even RU#'s doesn't support this.
LOL at using "confirmed cases" and fake fatality rates. This entire post is pointless. Well done!
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About one hour ago,a couple walked through a Las Vegas casino for the video they've done for years(They're Ohio State fans.The wife wears the Buckeye sweater very well).Fewer than 5 per cent of the customers were wearing masks.It's not a big deal-no pun intended-to them.
As of today it's 100 x 26, which is literally infinitely worse then 100 x 0.
Check back in a week. It will likely be worse.
I’m pretty sure they still have plenty of room, but they gotta be careful. At this rate in a couple weeks they could be in trouble.
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