Questioning his estimate is an understatement. Hard to for him to have an informed decision when he is bunkered down in mom's basement. A CE board clown who has set up shop here.
COVID-19 Pandemic: Transmissions, Deaths, Treatments, Vaccines, Interventions and More...
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The media is not the story. The info is out there if you do the leg work. It's not that hard.
Yes we should. A cancer on this thread. He brings no facts. Posts half the story. You and most of the rest are even handed, no agenda
If it's two solid weeks and the virus has spread, these people may only have mild symptoms at this point. And as some others have stated in this thread, the potential for exponential infection growth wont be realized for weeks. I'd give it another 3 to 4 weeks to see if there is a bump in positive cases arising from the protests.
Define healthy as a horse. Without getting into it too much, physical appearance alone does not quantify healthy if that is what you are going by. The more overweight a person is, the more likely they will be to develop a myriad of health problems as they age.
Not sure if this article has already been dissected in the last 1/2 dozen thread pages, but it certainly seems to make a strong case against the latest big lib media talking points. What's that saying again...lies, damn lies and statistics...
Horowitz: The new panic lie: Increased coronavirus hospitalizations and cases in the southwest
The health “experts” and the media propagating viral panic porn think people like us don’t understand arithmetic. They think they can manipulate headline stories warning of increased cases of COVID-19 in order to push more lockdowns, ignoring all the ways that more cases are being discovered, while the percentage of positive tests, new hospitalizations and deaths, and the lethality of the virus are all waning significantly.
“Arizona’s COVID-19 spread is ‘alarming’ and action is needed, experts warn,” read the title of an Arizona Republic article on Wednesday. Yahoo News breathlessly warned about a “spike” in all the southwestern states.
As is always the case, there is a grain of truth that is hugely distorted by numerous obfuscations of important facts and context. The truth is that new hospitalizations of people coming in for serious coronavirus infections are actually extremely low. What they are actually counting are the extra people coming in for all of the delayed health care caused by the lockdown. But thanks to universal testing in hospitals, they are discovering more asymptomatic cases than ever before, which had nothing to do with the original purpose of the hospital stay. Thus, they are blaming the fallout of the lockdown on the easing of the lockdown!
https://www.conservativereview.com/...coronavirus-hospitalizations-cases-southwest/
Horowitz: The new panic lie: Increased coronavirus hospitalizations and cases in the southwest
The health “experts” and the media propagating viral panic porn think people like us don’t understand arithmetic. They think they can manipulate headline stories warning of increased cases of COVID-19 in order to push more lockdowns, ignoring all the ways that more cases are being discovered, while the percentage of positive tests, new hospitalizations and deaths, and the lethality of the virus are all waning significantly.
“Arizona’s COVID-19 spread is ‘alarming’ and action is needed, experts warn,” read the title of an Arizona Republic article on Wednesday. Yahoo News breathlessly warned about a “spike” in all the southwestern states.
As is always the case, there is a grain of truth that is hugely distorted by numerous obfuscations of important facts and context. The truth is that new hospitalizations of people coming in for serious coronavirus infections are actually extremely low. What they are actually counting are the extra people coming in for all of the delayed health care caused by the lockdown. But thanks to universal testing in hospitals, they are discovering more asymptomatic cases than ever before, which had nothing to do with the original purpose of the hospital stay. Thus, they are blaming the fallout of the lockdown on the easing of the lockdown!
https://www.conservativereview.com/...coronavirus-hospitalizations-cases-southwest/
That’s still enough to lessen the chances of transmission of a virus if it’s enough to lessen the chance of transmission of tear gas. Obviously a medical grade mask would be preferred. I watched the protests many days and saw vast majority of people masked
Exactly!! In the beginning only people with confirmed cases were accepted at hospitals. All non emergency care and elective surgery was banned like my hernia issues. Than hospitals became empty and losing big $$. Now elective surgeries and emergency rooms open to typical business. Funny how the fear mongers haven't said a word about this. Oh wait they have a false agenda to defend
Let’s focus on media when 116,000 dead from the virus, but not on the virus or the man who said 15 cases soon to be zero!
The next fact you provide in this thread will be the first. Now go fetch me a 40.
Oh true he’s right people with asymptomatic corona infections coming to the hospital for a sprained knee or a biopsy totally need to be commited to the ICU!!! So normal
Get your own you drunk. Sorry that your mom doesn't allow alcohol in her basement. We all know you sneak it in along with the crack you do. Or is it Meth.
Now now I know you’re triggered but go fetch me my drink and bring some facts and data with it you’ve yet to provide any.
This is deliberate misinformation.
Hospitalizations of confirmed or suspected coronavirus in Arizona reached an all-time high on Thursday (and maybe again since then). The author of your article makes it seem as if the rise in hospitalizations is solely attributable to non-COVID procedures, but, if you click the link, that’s not what’s stated. The article is an accounting of bed availability for a continued COVID surge, and says there is an increase in non-COVID hospitalizations, but—reading beyond the link—this is in addition to a record number of COVID hospitalizations.
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LOL. Where did you come-up with that gibberish? Oh, you didn't try reading the rest of the article...here's a little more for you to riddle you way through...
The total number of “positive” COVID-19 patients currently using beds in the hospital system is high. Now you might wonder how cumulative numbers could be so high if the new daily intake is so low? It’s quite obvious that the first chart is only counting those who actually come in with new serious cases of COVID-19, for example those who have trouble breathing because the virus attacked their lungs. Those cases are extremely low relative to April.
The cumulative number chart, on the other hand, counts any “positive or suspected inpatient COVID-19 patients.” Now that the number of people coming into hospitals in general, for any reason, is much higher than during the peak of the epidemic and also testing has become standard, they are likely counting anyone who tests positive as a COVID-19 patient in that chart, even if they came in for chest pains or trauma. Which is why there is a note at the bottom of the chart observing that the numbers are very volatile. Obviously, if the same number of patients of all conditions had come in to hospitals six weeks ago and we had had the rapid testing capabilities, the number of positive cases would have been recorded as even higher than they are today.
This dichotomy is likely reflected in the following chart of COVID-positive patients admitted to the emergency rooms.
Horowitz has called the lockdowns illegal tyranny and said this was just the flu numerous times. He’s a nut, and what he’s writing is bs. The people being commited to icu beds in those states is gaining rapidly
It certainly does for the linemen who don’t slim down. Some do. Many don’t. Their lives are severely compromised.
LOL .You insulting someone that disagrees with your agenda. #Shocker.
Huh? Not according to this chart cited in the article.
1) those are new hospitalizations; 2) it’s only updated through the 7th; 3) this is the kicker, when you’re at the AZDHS website, click on “hospital COVID-19 specific metrics,” it will take you to the total COVID hospitalizations (it’s a cumulative number), and you’ll see it’s growing to new highs — consistent with what you’ve been reading everywhere (and is also only updated through the 7th)
So the increase in ventilator use, which was at 201 on May 13th, and is now at 317 is because of people who needed to be on ventilators but were scared to come in?
ICU beds were at 323 a month ago, currently at 452.
Overall AZ ICU bed usage had a total capacity of 1200, with 741 in use on March 26th. Right now there are currently 1300 beds in use.
And yeah, deaths lag behind new cases. We learned about this months ago, and it will likely be more prominent now, and even a lesser death rate, because of treatment.
I'd also guess the graph from the dashboard which "says it all" is also lagging much like we see the daily deaths lag on the FL dashboard.
Could be wrong on that, but I've certainly seen that before.
Could be wrong on that, but I've certainly seen that before.
Cases up in Florida but hospitalizations down. Hard to firgure?
If all this is true the media should be called on the carpet.
https://tallahasseereports.com/2020...ive-trends-for-florida-in-coronavirus-battle/
Judging by this, last week was higher then the previous 2. Yes lower then prior to the reopening, but like cases, trending upward since.
Well done. That article certainly looked fishy. Nobody is saying these 20+ states with increased cases are on their way to becoming what we had in NY/NJ, but if they don't watch out, they're going to at least have some serious hotspots and in certain areas they could have exponential growth. I doubt they'll get that bad because probably at least 30-50% of the population are wearing masks and distancing (unlike when the tsunami hit here, without warning and without any interventions), but those states really need to be careful to avoid things getting much worse. Also, the reporting on these increases has seemed fairly level-headed to me, as per this NY Times article - it also includes some discussion of the protests potentially contributing to the rises.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/14/us/coronavirus-united-states.html
If you read the posts afterwards it's not true.
"The drop in Miami-Dade hospitalizations — a number the county keeps track of — may mean that expanded testing is catching more mild or asymptomatic cases that don’t require hospitalization,"
This could definitely be part of it.
"Or it could be that those infections will lead to hospitalizations later — they just haven’t gotten that bad yet"
Now go check the graph in the link I posted.
Anyone know the average cost per hospitalization of a covid patient? How much time in ICU care?
Regardless of outcome.
Regardless of outcome.
That's possible too. But as the graph pointed out, hospitalizations did increase this past week over the previous two weeks.
Unfortunately like new cases I doubt that trend doesn't continue this week.
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