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The reason why taxes are so high in those states is overspending and ridiculous pension liabilities.
Yes exactly ...since Numbers blocks me after he quotes me ( an educated liberal) it is refreshing to see someone who understands what goes on now, has gone on for years and in those states which have been run by vastly Dems for too long... Democrats are great at spending someone else’s money looking at it as their personal cash cow... The question was asked earlier ...how does Numbers , who criticized others for political posts get a free ride? He’s the same guy who posted “ I don’t trust China but”...some of the greatest minds the world has known have also lead the way in hypocrisy.
 
Part of the reason for the high taxes in NY/NJ/CT is we get screwed every year and now we're getting screwed by Mitch and friends who won't fund states hardest hit by the coronavirus - which just happen to be states that contribute billions more in federal taxes than they get back in federal expenditures. And Mitch's Kentucky is near the top of those state "welfare" recipients. How about if, instead of being reimbursed for our far higher coronavirus costs, we just get back the $140BB in NY and $90BB in NJ we've overpaid over the last 5 years?

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Penalty for late CE/Politics hit in a post-CE/Politics Board world!

But c'mon this has been this way for decades. Why didn't Barry, Joe, Harry and Nancy deal with this when they had total control of the Federal budget?
 
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Well let’s see...Menendez , Booker ...sort of tells you all you need to know about New Jersey politics and why the money goes elsewhere....Cory’s looking for his mythical friend and Bobby is still hanging with the young ones in Ponce...suggest our resident numbers go back to posting inaccurate weather forecasts.
 
The reason why we get so little back is that we have a very weak congressional delegation. This was very evident during the Base Realignment and Closure the reason why Ft. Monmouth was closed was because if the Military pissed off the NJ Senators and Congressmen then there was very little backlash. This has been this way for years.
And federal spending includes military...so that needs to be part of the so-called welfare state numbers. VA as a "welfare" state is pretty funny according to RU###'s charts.
 
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Yes exactly ...since Numbers blocks me after he quotes me ( an educated liberal) it is refreshing to see someone who understands what goes on now, has gone on for years and in those states which have been run by vastly Dems for too long... Democrats are great at spending someone else’s money looking at it as their personal cash cow... The question was asked earlier ...how does Numbers , who criticized others for political posts get a free ride? He’s the same guy who posted “ I don’t trust China but”...some of the greatest minds the world has known have also lead the way in hypocrisy.
You make some very odd posts. I've never blocked anyone on this board, ever - why would you even say that? I also never said we didn't have pension issues, but that's a completely separate topic - the relative tax/revenue issue is real and certainly doesn't help these states that are subsidizing others. Also, responding to a political post in kind (like the conversation on taxes, which I'd rather not even see in this thread) is much different from starting political discussions in this thread - as I said yesterday, most of my "original" posts are informational, not political.
 
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Wait so we understand this fully....only 2518 patients in Texas hospitals for the entire state? I mean there are 407 hospitals in Texas with a population of 28,995,000 Mil as of 2020...and Only 192 new cases of Covid ...and only 1007 since Memorial Day... you need to crawl back into mom’s basement... you are a total fraud posting stupid numbers for effect. Boomer says as Boomer does...
 
You make some very odd posts. I've never blocked anyone on this board, ever - why would you even say that? I also never said we didn't have pension issues, but that's a completely separate topic - the relative tax/revenue issue is real and certainly doesn't help these states that are subsidizing others. Also, responding to a political post in kind (like the conversation on taxes, which I'd rather not even see in this thread) is much different from starting political discussions in this thread - as I said yesterday, most of my "original" posts are informational, not political.
Tell me why then when I attempted to answer the past several times I am unable? But sorry you inadvertently make references which are also political... but don’t worry all is going to be fine ... glad to hear that your brotherhood is making some progress... Now we need more so get back to work.
 
Wait so we understand this fully....only 2518 patients in Texas hospitals for the entire state? I mean there are 407 hospitals in Texas with a population of 28,995,000 Mil as of 2020...and Only 192 new cases of Covid ...and only 1007 since Memorial Day... you need to crawl back into mom’s basement... you are a total fraud posting stupid numbers for effect. Boomer says as Boomer does...

I think this is just hospitalizations, not new cases.
 
Total BS.
People in the highest-income states pay a lot of federal taxes. They also have fewer federal facilities in those states. Simple math.
If the spending was supposed to match the tax revenues from each state, then we wouldn't need a federal government at all.
But we do need one. We are in this together.
Tell that to Mitch
 
Wait so we understand this fully....only 2518 patients in Texas hospitals for the entire state? I mean there are 407 hospitals in Texas with a population of 28,995,000 Mil as of 2020...and Only 192 new cases of Covid ...and only 1007 since Memorial Day... you need to crawl back into mom’s basement... you are a total fraud posting stupid numbers for effect. Boomer says as Boomer does...
Bob go work out those arms because the brain isn’t getting oxygen. 192 new people hospitalized since yesterday, over 1,000 hospitalized since Memorial Day all with corona
 
I'm not in the hospital patient management business, but new admissions wouldn't necessarily be placed immediately in ICU for example, but perhaps 1-2 days if the conditioned worsened. ICU/ventilators #'s would actually be the lagging metric vs. new admissions.
Check todays dashboard stats for new covid hospitilizations in AZ and compare it to the now dated graph from the article "which says it all".

As expected the number of new cases from the time of the article has increased, he says "There was only one new admission on Wednesday the last day of admission." That looks to be June 3rd and if you look at the updated dashboard we see 54 new admissions for June 3rd. And if you look at yesterdays new admissions, guess what, 1 new admission. Not guessing this time, that # will go up. It's a lag in allocation.

Now that I think about it, most likely due to waiting on test results.

The dude flubbed it, that article is bunk.
 
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Wait so we understand this fully....only 2518 patients in Texas hospitals for the entire state? I mean there are 407 hospitals in Texas with a population of 28,995,000 Mil as of 2020...and Only 192 new cases of Covid ...and only 1007 since Memorial Day... you need to crawl back into mom’s basement... you are a total fraud posting stupid numbers for effect. Boomer says as Boomer does...
It's true the problem with Texas is not their #'s right now. The problem is they are increasing pretty rapidly.

Then you factor in exponential growth as was noted, further reopenings, and then heading into the more common cold/flu season, and you begin to really worry wear this is heading.

From the beginning skeptics have pointed to the "right now" #'s and not looking forward.
 
Yes exactly ...since Numbers blocks me after he quotes me ( an educated liberal) it is refreshing to see someone who understands what goes on now, has gone on for years and in those states which have been run by vastly Dems for too long... Democrats are great at spending someone else’s money looking at it as their personal cash cow... The question was asked earlier ...how does Numbers , who criticized others for political posts get a free ride? He’s the same guy who posted “ I don’t trust China but”...some of the greatest minds the world has known have also lead the way in hypocrisy.

If the State did not make a pension payment for over 20 years how did pension payments drive high taxes?
 
If the State did not make a pension payment for over 20 years how did pension payments drive high taxes?
I did not say the state didn’t make a pension payment...What is fact ...the state borrowed several times from public pension funds...in return those unions threw their backings behind some very unsavory state politicos ...both parties... didn’t the teachers union do just that? Or was it transit? Or maybe police? You always appear to go by the past 20 and forget the late 60’s and up...why is that?
 
I think this is just hospitalizations, not new cases.
Perhaps but if so then 2518 with 29 million vs NJ with 9 million and what was our top rate per diet into hospitals...and 219 new seems very low but I’m not the medical pros
 
Tell me why then when I attempted to answer the past several times I am unable? But sorry you inadvertently make references which are also political... but don’t worry all is going to be fine ... glad to hear that your brotherhood is making some progress... Now we need more so get back to work.
Maybe a mod blocked you since they're actively trying to limit the kind of petty, unproductive, strident partisan crap that made the CE board "famous" and is starting to make this thread less useful, since those folks don't have the CE board outlet. I wanted to keep the CE board, I don't ignore anyone, and I've never asked the mods to ban anyone. So, I suggest you take it up with them.
 
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Yep, AZ is a mess. My cousin lives in the Phoenix area and she and her 11-year old son both have COVID (both are immunocompromised; fortunately no serious symptoms yet, but fever, cough, and just knocked out). Took 10 days to get test results and their doctor told them to stay home unless things get bad, as they're running out of room in the hospitals. That's one person's report, so take it with a grain of salt.
 

That's one heck of a positivity rate if true! AZ is not trending well the past week.


Notice the bottom disclaimer where it says recent deaths may be reported yet. Even still, I wont expect the death rate to climb until a week or two, which is the typical lag after people are getting admitted.

Seems like the virus is getting weaker.

Yeah..ok..you still havent addressed the rising rates in just about every state you touted two weeks ago as doing great since opening back up. Some are close to shutting down again. Others like AZ just dont get it.

Yep, AZ is a mess. My cousin lives in the Phoenix area and she and her 11-year old son both have COVID (both are immunocompromised; fortunately no serious symptoms yet, but fever, cough, and just knocked out). Took 10 days to get test results and their doctor told them to stay home unless things get bad, as they're running out of room in the hospitals. That's one person's report, so take it with a grain of salt.

A 10 day turn around time for results is a pretty long time. I guess AZ has not taken much of any cues from the northeastern states in precautions, testing and planning. Unfortunately for them, it is indicative of the predicament they are now in the midst of. And yes, stay away from the hospitals unless it is needed. As of the weekend, they were at 83% capacity and will most likely be full very soon with the sickest of the sick. Best wishes to your family for a speedy recovery.
 
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Yep, AZ is a mess. My cousin lives in the Phoenix area and she and her 11-year old son both have COVID (both are immunocompromised; fortunately no serious symptoms yet, but fever, cough, and just knocked out). Took 10 days to get test results and their doctor told them to stay home unless things get bad, as they're running out of room in the hospitals. That's one person's report, so take it with a grain of salt.

Sorry to hear that, hopefully out FDA doesn't dick around and will allow the steroid the UK s saying makes a difference if they start to get worse.
 
I did not say the state didn’t make a pension payment...What is fact ...the state borrowed several times from public pension funds...in return those unions threw their backings behind some very unsavory state politicos ...both parties... didn’t the teachers union do just that? Or was it transit? Or maybe police? You always appear to go by the past 20 and forget the late 60’s and up...why is that?

Well I don't want to derail the thread but I just want to say you have no idea what you are talking about and I don't have time to argue with you about some political candidate from 60 years ago
The State never borrowed from the pension fund
 
So New Jersey at it’s peak on April 3,2020 had 4380 new cases and 468 deaths with a population 1/3 the size of Texas... Arizona according to the doomsday crowd had 2500 new cases in a state with 6.8 million ... it is amazing we have become the culture which loves bad news ... politics certainly doesn’t help people think in a reasonable manner ... still too many people reporting who shouldn’t be reporting.
 
Well I don't want to derail the thread but I just want to say you have no idea what you are talking about and I don't have time to argue with you about some political candidate from 60 years ago
The State never borrowed from the pension fund
Others have told you the same Tommy Boy... you fail to realize and admit because you were part of a Union which since the late 70’s caused most of this financial fiasco today along with Democratic politicians... the past 20 years is all you want to discuss. I am certainly not the only one who has told you so... if you don’t have the time or attempt to discuss I could give two shats... you need to go back in time and see why we are in this shape... if it was because NJ was short changed by the Federal Government it didn’t happen during the past 3 1/2 years , well before Trump sat his butt in the Oval Office... Amazing when you try to explain to tom1944 that it was both parties who were and still are negligent and why we are the most taxed state in the nation.... Now we see the the newest BS from NJEA propaganda machine telling all how their Union is going to make all of us happy with the negotiations going forward... Saving the New Jersey Taxpayers $$$$... Are you still organizing with the Union? So , if The State Of NJ didn’t borrow from the public pension funds why can’t we pay their pensions?
 
Others have told you the same Tommy Boy... you fail to realize and admit because you were part of a Union which since the late 70’s caused most of this financial fiasco today along with Democratic politicians... the past 20 years is all you want to discuss. I am certainly not the only one who has told you so... if you don’t have the time or attempt to discuss I could give two shats... you need to go back in time and see why we are in this shape... if it was because NJ was short changed by the Federal Government it didn’t happen during the past 3 1/2 years , well before Trump sat his butt in the Oval Office... Amazing when you try to explain to tom1944 that it was both parties who were and still are negligent and why we are the most taxed state in the nation.... Now we see the the newest BS from NJEA propaganda machine telling all how their Union is going to make all of us happy with the negotiations going forward... Saving the New Jersey Taxpayers $$$$... Are you still organizing with the Union? So , if The State Of NJ didn’t borrow from the public pension funds why can’t we pay their pensions?
Ask me all your questions on another thread and I wii answer them all with sources
I also need to correct you. I was a manager I was not in the union
 
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Understood - I was talking more generally about risks from drugs targeted at human proteins likely being greater than those targeted at the actual virus. Also, safety information from HIV trials may not translate well to trials on COVID patients - which is why we need to see the controlled trial results.



Sounds like Cytodyn has completed enrollment for its phase II, 75-patient randomized/controlled trial in mild to moderate COVID patients - do you know when results from that will be published? The EIND study is not controlled (it's emergency use data) - do you have a link to some paper or report on the EIND results to date? Surely you understand the skepticism given so many false claims out there on other drugs, combined with your "take my word for it" posts, which include no links to published research. Also, the phase II trial might not be statistically powered well enough (hence it only being phase II) to show definitive efficacy results, especially since most mild/moderate patients recover. Maybe the results will be great and we can all celebrate, but from my perspective I simply haven't seen much yet.

I also didn't say the drug had significant risk or was not effective, since I have no clue about either, clinically, since we haven't seen results from randomized controlled studies yet. I just said it's less likely to be safe and effective than an engineered antibody treatment which targets the virus.

https://www.biotech-capital.com/com...-to-moderate-symptoms-of-covid-19-921739.html
The mild to moderate results will be completed either June 25 or 28. The severe/ critical trial has 71 patients enrolled but as of June 1 , they had 51 patients enrolled and will produce interim , not complete, results on June 28 and then again 14 days later their full results. So end of June and early July the results will be known. I know EIND use is not randomized as are these 2 trials mentioned above, but the testimonials from doctors not just patients, who had patients on their death bed and recovered quietly after getting Leronlimab are pretty shocked and amazed at results. The Montefiore 11 patient EIND results, where the patients were the most critically ill, with a very high percentage going to die, with kidney transplant and numerous co morbidities , Leronlimab saved 4-5 patients, off ventilators, off oxygen and discharged home. So this new report out of Oxford is the first bit of good news on saving severe/ critical Covid patients, but Leronlimab is the only other drug that has shown effectiveness on the most severely critical patients here in the US.
 
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The mild to moderate results will be completed either June 25 or 28. The severe/ critical trial has 71 patients enrolled but as of June 1 , they had 51 patients enrolled and will produce interim , not complete, results on June 28 and then again 14 days later their full results. So end of June and early July the results will be known. I know EIND use is not randomized as are these 2 trials mentioned above, but the testimonials from doctors not just patients, who had patients on their death bed and recovered quietly after getting Leronlimab are pretty shocked and amazed at results. The Montefiore 11 patient EIND results, where the patients were the most critically ill, with a very high percentage going to die, with kidney transplant and numerous co morbidities , Leronlimab saved 4-5 patients, off ventilators, off oxygen and discharged home. So this new report out of Oxford is the first bit of good news on saving severe/ critical Covid patients, but Leronlimab is the only other drug that has shown effectiveness on the most severely critical patients here in the US.
What "report out of Oxford?" Also, by what publication are you basing your statement of it "showing effectiveness" on severely critical patients? Show us something - otherwise, you're just a guy sharing anecdotal stories that can't be verified and that's not convincing at all.
 
So New Jersey at it’s peak on April 3,2020 had 4380 new cases and 468 deaths with a population 1/3 the size of Texas... Arizona according to the doomsday crowd had 2500 new cases in a state with 6.8 million ... it is amazing we have become the culture which loves bad news ... politics certainly doesn’t help people think in a reasonable manner ... still too many people reporting who shouldn’t be reporting.
anybody who posts positive news WILL be hunted down by FKAR100.

Its important to pay attention and not pretend there's no problem going on but it's insane to seen the anger in people when something positive is mentioned.
 
I think it may be just that doctors are getting better at treating it as there has been a difficult learning curve. Either way it is becoming less deadly. More reason to open things up.

I think it’s that and if I were to bet, I’m thinking it’s the under 70 population being infected and not the large amount of 70+ population that we had trouble with. No data to back that up tho, just a guess.
 
Trump better make friends with China. They need at least one inactivated/weakened vaccine included in Warp Speed, and China has a few out in front.

Is this the best vaccine trial report yet?

https://www.biospace.com/article/ch...ovid-19-vaccine-shows-positive-early-results/
Well, Sinovac has the first reported phase II vaccine results and they look pretty good with 90% of the 600 healthy volunteers showing neutralizing antibodies 14 days after the 2-dose vaccination, although we have no idea what the levels are, exactly (they said they'll publish that soon), and we won't know what levels might confer immunity until after much larger phase III studies, after vaccine recipients are exposed to the virus. Since the virus isn't really circulating in China anymore, they've contracted with a Brazilian company to run their phase III large trials.

Sinovac is using the old-school, but tried-and-true inactivated virus approach, which will almost certainly work. The downside is it requires growth of large volumes of the active virus, so manufacturing takes longer, especially for large volumes. Having said that, I also wish one of the 5 US-endorsed vaccines was an inactivated virus as a "safe" option in case the others don't work. See below.

https://www.fiercepharma.com/vaccin...-vaccine-shows-early-positive-results-phase-2

Sinovac’s vaccine is based on inactivated whole virus, a mature vaccine technology that’s also been used to produce vaccines against influenza and polio. In contrast, most Western COVID-19 vaccine players are working on next-generation platforms that involve using the DNA or RNA of the novel coronavirus.

Compared with those newer technologies, inactivated vaccines take longer to manufacture, because live virus must be grown in cultures and then inactivated. Sinovac said it’s building a commercial plant in China that’s expected to make up to 100 million doses of CoronaVac a year.

CoronaVac is among five China-developed COVID-19 vaccines that have entered clinical testing. Leading the race is CanSino Biologics’ adenovirus-based recombinant vaccine, which was the first in the world to enter a phase 2 trial and the first to report first-in-human data in a peer-reviewed journal. State-run Sinopharm has two inactivated shots from its biological research institutes in Beijing and Wuhan. The Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences’ Institute of Medical Biology also has an inactivated version.

In contrast, none of the five programs recently picked by the Trump administration’s “Operation Warp Speed” as the most likely to succeed in a short time frame is based on the inactivated vaccine technology.

Among them, AstraZeneca and University of Oxford’s adenovirus-vectored vaccine, AZD1222, also known as ChAdOx1 nCoV-19, is also slated for a phase 3 trial in 2,000 volunteers in Brazil.
 
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