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In regards to the masks, I just wish they would message it better to the public. Be clear that masks can help (which i think is fact), but that people should not be using them until the supply allows for all of the first responders and health care works needs to be covered first. That is more honest than arguing they don't provide a benefit and therefore people shouldn't be using them simply because we don't have enough supply.

While it may be more honest, I am not sure it would be good policy. Telling everyone that masks will save your families lives but don't use them would just lead to a rush to buy and hording like we had with toilet paper. My belief is that the federal government actually has a lot more data and info then they are sharing with us in the interest of promoting the proper behaviour.

As they said in the movie Men in Black:
A person can be smart. People however are dumb, panicky dangerous animals.
 
I’ve noticed the same trends. I wonder how the rest of the country is....I feel like many places are 1-3 weeks behind us.
The more I see come out of NY and NJ, I really wish the rest of the country would get much more aggressive with shelter in place and social distancing. It would save them and us as a nation a whole lot of grief and anguish.
 
Summary of today's by presser Cuomo...
  • 200K tested so far in NY and 89K in NYC, which is more per capita than South Korea; 19K/10K tested yesterday in NY/NYC
  • 809,000 positive cases in the US: 75.7K positives in NY/43.1K in NYC, so far, and 9300/5700 in NY/NYC yesterday vs. 7000K new cases yesterday in NY – that’a a moderate increase in new cases vs. small decreases the last two days. Let’s hope this is just a fluctuation and not a trend.
  • 3044 total deaths in the US and 1550 total deaths in NY, up 332 from yesterday (was up 253 two days ago); 198 deaths in NJ (161 yesterday)
  • Total of 10,900 currently hospitalized in NY (1400 new vs. 1000 new yesterday and 1200 new the day before), so that’s an increase - again that number had leveled off, so let's hope the increase is a daily fluctuation, which is quite possible.
  • Hospitalization rate still doubling every 6 days, looking at last 3 days data (was 2-3 days before), so rate of increase has decreased, which is good.
  • Total of 2710 currently in ICU, which means on ventilators, usually (2352 yesterday, so 358 new vs. 315 yesterday), which is also an increase in new ICU cases.
  • 4975 discharged (4204 as of yesterday, so 771 discharged yesterday vs. 632 the day before; could just be fluctuations.
  • 80% of positive cases self resolve or mild symptoms resolving at home
  • 172K cases in the US: 75.7K in NY, 16.5K in NJ (13K yesterday), 7400 in CA (6300 yesterday), 6500in MI (5500 yesterday), 5700 in MA (4900 yesterday), 5700 in FL (4900 yesterday), 5200 in WA (4900 yesterday), so you can see how much better WA is doing vs. MA/FL, as all three had 4900 case yesterday; 5100 in IL (4600 yesterday), 4000 in LA (3500 yesterday), 4100 in PA (3400 yesterday)
  • Still planning for modeled apex of the hospitalization/ICU/ventilator curve, since have to plan for wost credible case.
  • Mixture of public/private and NY/NYC hospitals - he doesn't care about being territorial - have to look at this as one system now and respond where the needs are for supplies.
  • Individual responsibility: stay at home, stay at home, stay at home, except for essential workers and essential needs; your actions can cause someone else to become sick and/or die
  • Chris Cuomo just tested positive for coronavirus (quarantined in his basement and ok so far): you never know if you might be infected (but they moved their mom out of Chris's house 2 weeks ago)
https://www.governor.ny.gov/keywords/health

Summary of today's by presser Cuomo...
  • 220K tested now/96K in NYC; 15.7K/7.3K tested yesterday in NY/NYC (vs. 19K/10K tested the day before in NY/NYC – not sure why the decline, although single day fluctuations aren't trends.
  • 191K positive cases in the US: 83.7K, 75.7K, 66.5K positives in NY the last 3 days, meaning 8K new cases yesterday after 9.2K new cases the day before and 47.4K, 43.1K, 38.0K in NYC the last 3 days, meaning 4.3K new cases yesterday after 4.9K new cases the day before. Over the last several days new cases seem to be leveling off.
  • 4310 total deaths in the US (up 1266 from yesterday) and 1941 total deaths in NY, up 391 from yesterday (was up 332 two days ago); 267 deaths in NJ (198 yesterday)
  • Total of 12.2K currently hospitalized in NY (1300 new vs. 1400 new yesterday and 1000 new the day before) – leveling off?
  • Total of 3022 currently in ICU in NY, which means on ventilators, usually (2710 yesterday, so 312 new vs. 358 yesterday)
  • 6142 discharged from hospitals in NY (4975 as of yesterday, so 1167 discharged yesterday vs. 771 the day before; good sign.
  • 191K cases in the US: 83.7K in NY (75.7K yesterday), 18.7K in NJ (16.5K yesterday), 8600 in CA (7400 yesterday), 7600 in MI (6500 yesterday), 6600 in MA (5700 yesterday), 6700 in FL (5700 yesterday), 5300 in WA (5200 yesterday), so you can see how much better WA is doing vs. everywhere else, 6000 in IL (5100 yesterday), 5200 in LA (4000 yesterday), 5000 in PA (4100 yesterday)
  • Still planning for modeled apex of the hospitalization/ICU/ventilator curve, since have to plan for worst credible case.
    • McKinsey model with minimal social distancing impact: apex end of April with 110K COVID hospital beds/37K ventilators needed (hospitals likely overwhelmed)
    • McKinsey model with high social distancing impact: apex end of April with 75K COVID hospital beds/25K ventilators needed (hospitals should be able to handle); latest trends indicate true numbers could be lower if social distancing does even better
  • Gates Foundation model: projects 93K deaths in US and 16K deaths in NY through June, so not just a NY problem (similar to Fauci/Birx model presented yesterday)
  • Need public health strategy to get back to work with low risk – need rapid at home testing strategy for antibodies, continue developing testing, tracing, quarantining, hospital-supplies infrastructure, and promote intergovernmental partnerhips.
  • Closing NYC playgrounds, but leaving open spaces open
https://www.governor.ny.gov/keywords/health
 
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The more I see come out of NY and NJ, I really wish the rest of the country would get much more aggressive with shelter in place and social distancing. It would save them and us as a nation a whole lot of grief and anguish.
Yep, although I think this has spread far more than we realize. Was talking with my brother in Lincoln last week, and he was talking about how they had reported cases up in some little nowhere town near the South Dakota border.
 
Yep, although I think this has spread far more than we realize. Was talking with my brother in Lincoln last week, and he was talking about how they had reported cases up in some little nowhere town near the South Dakota border.
I agree and that's why I think it's critically important to not waste this time. This thing was probably bouncing around our area since at least the beginning of February.
 
I agree and that's why I think it's critically important to not waste this time. This thing was probably bouncing around our area since at least the beginning of February.
Possibly even earlier: the first instance of this being recognized in China was November 17th. Heck, even Taiwan didn't start putting in procedures until the beginning of January.
 
Shocker lol.

Bloomberg
China Concealed Extent of Virus Outbreak, U.S. Intelligence Says


https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/china-concealed-extent-virus-outbreak-151550902.html
In other news, the U.S. intelligence community is investigating whether water really is wet.

It is good to get official confirmation of what everyone who has followed this to any degree has reached a conclusion about. What I would love to see is worldwide condemnation of China for hiding and denying the seriousness of this, causing the rest of the world to lose crucial time in preparing for and responding to this pandemic.
 
Shocker lol.

Bloomberg
China Concealed Extent of Virus Outbreak, U.S. Intelligence Says


https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/china-concealed-extent-virus-outbreak-151550902.html

Worst kept secret ever, lol. Don't want to retype a bunch of stuff, so just linking the posts from the past few days on this. The Times article in the first link contains fantastic investigative journalism detailing the many ways the Chinese local officials, in particular, hid the growing epidemic data from their CDC and intimidated their scientists also, which was then repeated at the larger stage by the Chinese leadership.

Logical "proof" of this to me is that even if they did as well in controlling the outbreak as South Korea did - which they didn't, as they were first and had no idea what had hit them for awhile - they'd have 270K infections on a per capita basis (27X the population of SK, which has ~10K cases), which is 3-4X the 83K they've reported and I think they've likely done significantly worse than SK or at least 5X what they've reported or more.

Having said all that, none of this excuses the US from its weak and late response to what we already knew was a coming pandemic.

https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...social-distancing.191275/page-46#post-4481643

https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...social-distancing.191275/page-46#post-4482033
 
Worst kept secret ever, lol. Don't want to retype a bunch of stuff, so just linking the posts from the past few days on this. The Times article in the first link contains fantastic investigative journalism detailing the many ways the Chinese local officials, in particular, hid the growing epidemic data from their CDC and intimidated their scientists also, which was then repeated at the larger stage by the Chinese leadership.

Logical "proof" of this to me is that even if they did as well in controlling the outbreak as South Korea did - which they didn't, as they were first and had no idea what had hit them for awhile - they'd have 270K infections on a per capita basis (27X the population of SK, which has ~10K cases), which is 3-4X the 83K they've reported and I think they've likely done significantly worse than SK or at least 5X what they've reported or more.

Having said all that, none of this excuses the US from its weak and late response to what we already knew was a coming pandemic.

https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...social-distancing.191275/page-46#post-4481643

https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...social-distancing.191275/page-46#post-4482033


 
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From 2007 ............. ah well ........
 
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The single biggest failure is the failure of testing because this virus was underestimated in its power and deadliness . However, the 15 minute Abbott test finally debuted tonight at the American Care Center in Long Island , which has 3 locations. Not sure why they got it first, but the interview tonite with their doctor is that it is an easy test, not painful like the other one. Most of the people tested were positive as I would suspect because we still have people that haven’t been allowed to be tested that have been walking around positive. This needs to immediately get to every NJ drive thru facility and we will slow this whole thing down in 10 days. Separate out the sick from the healthy and quarantine and treat them. All the rest of us , hopefully 95% or more have been sheltering in place , so we should be good to interact in 14 days. The sick now includes all nurses , health care professionals, ambulance and police and fire department personnel and they need better protection as well. Everyone should wear a mask now , scarf, bandana or anything as it cannot hurt and likely will stop the spread of the virus.
 
The single biggest failure is the failure of testing because this virus was underestimated in its power and deadliness . However, the 15 minute Abbott test finally debuted tonight at the American Care Center in Long Island , which has 3 locations. Not sure why they got it first, but the interview tonite with their doctor is that it is an easy test, not painful like the other one. Most of the people tested were positive as I would suspect because we still have people that haven’t been allowed to be tested that have been walking around positive. This needs to immediately get to every NJ drive thru facility and we will slow this whole thing down in 10 days. Separate out the sick from the healthy and quarantine and treat them. All the rest of us , hopefully 95% or more have been sheltering in place , so we should be good to interact in 14 days. The sick now includes all nurses , health care professionals, ambulance and police and fire department personnel and they need better protection as well. Everyone should wear a mask now , scarf, bandana or anything as it cannot hurt and likely will stop the spread of the virus.


great news
 
Sorry , not a late or weak response... you have decided that anything after Jan. 20, 2020 ( first case in US) that when Trump put the ban on in coming travelers from China was too late...he was a Racist - Xenophobic leader.... no one ....not the WHO, CDC, FEMA or Medical Pros thought it would be anything more than a flu type illness... easy to say I told you so ...Keep checking the weather...

You are one of the worst posters I've ever seen and should be banned from this thread.
 
While it may be more honest, I am not sure it would be good policy. Telling everyone that masks will save your families lives but don't use them would just lead to a rush to buy and hording like we had with toilet paper. My belief is that the federal government actually has a lot more data and info then they are sharing with us in the interest of promoting the proper behaviour.

As they said in the movie Men in Black:
A person can be smart. People however are dumb, panicky dangerous animals.
Then push the home made mask.

Not that I am wearing one, but if they think it would help, and it sounds like it would, then they should push it.
 
In late January, having seen Fauci's comments, I also didn't think this would end up being what it became, but certainly by about mid-February, when we had learned much more and many more experts were sounding pandemic alarms and when the public first learned of the testing debacle at the CDC (on 2/12), that would've been the time to mobilize the Federal government and not much really happened for another 3-4 weeks despite tens of thousands of testing kits being available from Germany and South Korea.

By 2/17, Dr. Fauci was saying this was on the verge of being a global pandemic, but yet we still had only tested 1500 people by 3/8. And looking back Fauci also told members of Congress on 3/12 that the early inability to test was “a failing” of the administration’s response to a deadly, global pandemic. “Why,” he asked later in a magazine interview, “were we not able to mobilize on a broader scale?”

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcript-dr-anthony-fauci-on-face-the-nation-february-16-2020/


https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...it-it-fauci-says-coronavirus-testing-n1157036
 
The single biggest failure is the failure of testing because this virus was underestimated in its power and deadliness . However, the 15 minute Abbott test finally debuted tonight at the American Care Center in Long Island , which has 3 locations. Not sure why they got it first, but the interview tonite with their doctor is that it is an easy test, not painful like the other one. Most of the people tested were positive as I would suspect because we still have people that haven’t been allowed to be tested that have been walking around positive. This needs to immediately get to every NJ drive thru facility and we will slow this whole thing down in 10 days. Separate out the sick from the healthy and quarantine and treat them. All the rest of us , hopefully 95% or more have been sheltering in place , so we should be good to interact in 14 days. The sick now includes all nurses , health care professionals, ambulance and police and fire department personnel and they need better protection as well. Everyone should wear a mask now , scarf, bandana or anything as it cannot hurt and likely will stop the spread of the virus.
great news
It is great news and hopefully that area will be used to get whatever kinks they need to work out so they can get it in the City and treat me.
 
The single biggest failure is the failure of testing because this virus was underestimated in its power and deadliness . However, the 15 minute Abbott test finally debuted tonight at the American Care Center in Long Island , which has 3 locations. Not sure why they got it first, but the interview tonite with their doctor is that it is an easy test, not painful like the other one. Most of the people tested were positive as I would suspect because we still have people that haven’t been allowed to be tested that have been walking around positive. This needs to immediately get to every NJ drive thru facility and we will slow this whole thing down in 10 days. Separate out the sick from the healthy and quarantine and treat them. All the rest of us , hopefully 95% or more have been sheltering in place , so we should be good to interact in 14 days. The sick now includes all nurses , health care professionals, ambulance and police and fire department personnel and they need better protection as well. Everyone should wear a mask now , scarf, bandana or anything as it cannot hurt and likely will stop the spread of the virus.
The improved virus testing is great to get a better handle on this outbreak, but until we have widespread antibody tests (becoming available now), there's simply no way we can go back to life as it used to be. We'll likely have <1% of the population infected (1% would be 3MM and we have 214K positive cases now) when we hopefully get past this first wave, which means 99% of the population could still get the virus, meaning it will still spread like wildfire if we go back to normal life.

Unless there are 5-10X the number of people who test positive to the virus who actually became infected, but never had symptoms and/or were never tested - this is possible based on the Diamond Princess, where ~10% of the passengers tested positive for the virus but had no symptoms and they should have the antibodies and be immune (they tested everyone on the boat), but we'll only find out when we do major antibody testing, including on some representative large samples of the population from selected locations like NYC.

If we had those kinds of numbers of people with antibodies, that would likely slow down transmission rates somewhat in the future, but I still think many will choose to stay out of harm's way until we have a proven treatment or preventative (antibody therapy, either from plasma or engineered) or vaccine. I'll be in that group, given the risks of COVID-19 to my wife and son (asthmatic and immunocompromised).
 
In late January, having seen Fauci's comments, I also didn't think this would end up being what it became, but certainly by about mid-February, when we had learned much more and many more experts were sounding pandemic alarms and when the public first learned of the testing debacle at the CDC (on 2/12), that would've been the time to mobilize the Federal government and not much really happened for another 3-4 weeks despite tens of thousands of testing kits being available from Germany and South Korea.

By 2/17, Dr. Fauci was saying this was on the verge of being a global pandemic, but yet we still had only tested 1500 people by 3/8. And looking back Fauci also told members of Congress on 3/12 that the early inability to test was “a failing” of the administration’s response to a deadly, global pandemic. “Why,” he asked later in a magazine interview, “were we not able to mobilize on a broader scale?”

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcript-dr-anthony-fauci-on-face-the-nation-february-16-2020/


https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...it-it-fauci-says-coronavirus-testing-n1157036

why? maybe he should ask himself, if he was downplaying this on Jan 26, its a cry wolf situation two weeks later when there were very little cases, the fact of the matter is Trump was not going to be able to sell shutdown the country any earlier than he did. We were 15 minutes away from playing a Big 10 tournament game. Widespread outbreak didnt begin until that week. The public was not going to buy into until sports started to shut down.
 
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Yikes - does that mean you think you have the virus? Hope not, but godspeed if you do.
No.

Just hope we can get it here in the City and get those of us who are a little closer than others tested just to be sure.
 
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this was recently asked and answered:

CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield called in to the Brian Kilmeade Show to discuss the nation's progress in its fight against the coronavirus pandemic. Among the topics discussed was unearthed audio of White House Coronavirus Task Force member and NIAID Director Dr. Anthony Fauci from January 26th assuring Americans that the coronavirus is nothing to worry about.

"The American people should not be worried or frightened by this. It's a very, very low risk to the United States," Dr. Fauci said on The CATS Roundtable. "It isn't something that the American public needs to worry about or be frightened about."

Director Redfield agreed with Dr. Fauci's assessment, saying that at that time in January the information coming out of China suggested "they were pretty certain that this was not transmitted human to human."

"Obviously that became corrected as they saw in the first three, four weeks in January that human to human spread was not only occurring it's actually, as I said, more infectious and I think that led to the situation that we're in today. I think no one could have predicted how transmissible, how infectious this virus really is," he added.
 
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The single biggest failure is the failure of testing because this virus was underestimated in its power and deadliness . However, the 15 minute Abbott test finally debuted tonight at the American Care Center in Long Island , which has 3 locations. Not sure why they got it first, but the interview tonite with their doctor is that it is an easy test, not painful like the other one. Most of the people tested were positive as I would suspect because we still have people that haven’t been allowed to be tested that have been walking around positive. This needs to immediately get to every NJ drive thru facility and we will slow this whole thing down in 10 days. Separate out the sick from the healthy and quarantine and treat them. All the rest of us , hopefully 95% or more have been sheltering in place , so we should be good to interact in 14 days. The sick now includes all nurses , health care professionals, ambulance and police and fire department personnel and they need better protection as well. Everyone should wear a mask now , scarf, bandana or anything as it cannot hurt and likely will stop the spread of the virus.

Any news on their production capabilities?
 
why? maybe he should ask himself, if he was downplaying this on Jan 26, its a cry wolf situation two weeks later when there were very little cases, the fact of the matter is Trump was not going to be able to sell shutdown the country any earlier than he did. We were 15 minutes away from playing a Big 10 tournament game. Widespread outbreak didnt begin until that week. The public was not going to buy into until sports started to shut down.
The Chinese had not shared how transmissible it was until early February, but clearly it was pretty bad for China to shut the country down. Should Fauci have sounded a stronger alarm (and the WHO) earlier? Probably. Should some major democratic leaders? Probably. And I actually agree that the American public would have probably not followed a shutdown in late February (I didn't start until 3/3), but the testing debacle had nothing to do with the American public, nor did not being ready to track and quarantine cases - that was just about all on the CDC and the Administration (as were the very late medical supplies preparations). But none of that is going to help us today. What we need today is a coordinated national shutdown and more federal energy behind taking over and solving the medical supplies mess and working on getting masks to everyone. The Administration is doing a lot more than they were, but not enough yet, IMO.
 
No.

Just hope we can get it here in the City and get those of us who are a little closer than others tested just to be sure.
Whew, thanks. What you and the health care workers need is the antibody-plasma experiments to work, so highly at-risk people can be given immunity to this horrible virus. It's potentially the fastest and best short term hope. I've heard results in 3-4 weeks, but it's hard to find info on line about this...
 
RU#s, do you think there will be any hierarchy of testing to see who has antibodies to help make a decision as to when things will open up again? Testing of doctors and nurses first, then some order of first responders, grocery workers, other healthcare professionals still working and deemed essential, etc. I'm a healthcare professional still working, and am curious if I've been exposed, but asymptomatic. Thanks.
 
The Chinese had not shared how transmissible it was until early February, but clearly it was pretty bad for China to shut the country down. Should Fauci have sounded a stronger alarm (and the WHO) earlier? Probably. Should some major democratic leaders? Probably. And I actually agree that the American public would have probably not followed a shutdown in late February (I didn't start until 3/3), but the testing debacle had nothing to do with the American public, nor did not being ready to track and quarantine cases - that was just about all on the CDC and the Administration (as were the very late medical supplies preparations). But none of that is going to help us today. What we need today is a coordinated national shutdown and more federal energy behind taking over and solving the medical supplies mess and working on getting masks to everyone. The Administration is doing a lot more than they were, but not enough yet, IMO.
Anyone who saw the videos coming out of China in January (and they were freely available on twitter, so the US officials had to know of them), then saw the Chinese lockdown a hundred million people and STILL believed the virus was not easily transmissible was a fool. I don't know what the hell the WHO officials were thinking, but they repeatedly downplayed the threat at least in public. Who knows what was going on behind the scenes with them and in the US government. But we are all now paying the price. I'm not going to pin all the blame on Trump, I've said before this is a failure on many levels and over many administrations. We've been let down big time by the government on this one - years and decades of pandemic planning and we don't have anywhere near enough PPE, ventilators, drugs. Massive, massive failure.

Even now we're doing a half-assed job with the supposed "lockdown". Liquour stores are essential? Seriously? And just about every restaurant up here is still open for take out and delivery. People in NYC are STILL gathering in big groups leading to them having to close playgrounds and parks. People are still getting on airplanes and traveling all over. If this country had any sense it would have shut everything down, everywhere, for at least 2 and probably 4 weeks. No air travel, no liquour stores, no restaurants. Only absolutely essential services like groceries, police, fire, etc.

Many people are going to die who didn't have to and it's going to take longer to get past "the peak" than it had to and it absolutely SUCKS.
 
RU#s, do you think there will be any hierarchy of testing to see who has antibodies to help make a decision as to when things will open up again? Testing of doctors and nurses first, then some order of first responders, grocery workers, other healthcare professionals still working and deemed essential, etc. I'm a healthcare professional still working, and am curious if I've been exposed, but asymptomatic. Thanks.

Absolutely, since the tests will take some time to roll out (they're out now, but not being pushed yet, except for current health care workers in a few places, from what I hear, as doctors are more than a bit distracted to be sure (which is why the at-home test will be a big deal). I think your hierarchy is probably pretty close to what it would be. Add in anyone currently deemed an essential worker. I also think the intent is to have this as an at home test shortly (the UK says they have it already, but haven't heard it is out yet).

https://www.axios.com/fda-coronavir...ere-a665429d-488d-4edf-bd36-9180e2a06e4c.html

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/02/covid-19-coronavirus-home-test-kit-antigen-antibody/
 
Anyone who saw the videos coming out of China in January (and they were freely available on twitter, so the US officials had to know of them), then saw the Chinese lockdown a hundred million people and STILL believed the virus was not easily transmissible was a fool. I don't know what the hell the WHO officials were thinking, but they repeatedly downplayed the threat at least in public. Who knows what was going on behind the scenes with them and in the US government. But we are all now paying the price. I'm not going to pin all the blame on Trump, I've said before this is a failure on many levels and over many administrations. We've been let down big time by the government on this one - years and decades of pandemic planning and we don't have anywhere near enough PPE, ventilators, drugs. Massive, massive failure.

Even now we're doing a half-assed job with the supposed "lockdown". Liquour stores are essential? Seriously? And just about every restaurant up here is still open for take out and delivery. People in NYC are STILL gathering in big groups leading to them having to close playgrounds and parks. People are still getting on airplanes and traveling all over. If this country had any sense it would have shut everything down, everywhere, for at least 2 and probably 4 weeks. No air travel, no liquour stores, no restaurants. Only absolutely essential services like groceries, police, fire, etc.

Many people are going to die who didn't have to and it's going to take longer to get past "the peak" than it had to and it absolutely SUCKS.
Yep, well said...
 
Some epidemiologists are arguing that sports stadiums and arenas and concert halls will be particularly dangerous places until vaccines are readily available because of their density which can lead to exposure to high doses of the virus and therefore be very high risk . When you are packed into an arena with thousands of others for several hours in very close quarters, you can be exposed to a very high dose by those who are not even aware they are infected with the deadly virus. The only rational solution would be to shutter all stadiums and arenas until vaccines are developed and rolled out to the general population. This may take several years. It may become safer to go to grocery stores while maintaining social distancing when an exposure may be very short and low dose but it would be the opposite in stadiums with thousands of spectators next to each other.

What person in his right mind would risk his or his family's life by entering a high dose, high risk environment with thousands of others just to watch a football or basketball game when there is no vaccine or treatment available for this lethal virus?

Those who anticipate football this fall or basketball next winter will be disappointed.
 
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