COVID-19 Pandemic: Transmissions, Deaths, Treatments, Vaccines, Interventions and More...

[RUaMoose]

Murphy wants you to wear your Chi-com mask outdoors. I can certainly understand wearing a mask -- and do -- indoors at supermarkets, convenience stores and what have you but draw the line at wearing one outside. Why would you need to wear a mask when you're out in a park walking your dog with no one within 100 feet let alone 6. "National mandate", LOL. Good luck with that, chump. If these blue state tyrants were to get power, watch out.

“If you’re leaving your house, put on a mask. I think it ought to be a national, a national requirement.“

https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020...-national-mask-rule-to-fight-coronavirus.html

 

[RU#1fan]

Average percentage of COVID deaths occurring in nursing homes/LTC facilities in the country is 43%. NJ's is 44%, which is slightly above the average, while NY's is 21%, which is the best in the USA (altough 5 states didnt' report enough data to know, even though they're likely lower). Singling out Murphy and Cuomo, especially - and governors of states hit hardest/earliest, when we were least prepared, since the Administration failed so badly on testing - has always seemed a bit overdone. Almost every state and every country failed to protect the elderly in such facilities well, except the ones that protected all of their citizens well, like Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, etc.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-nursing-homes.html

Not overdone for those who have a twisted agenda.

 

[becktheory]

Murphy wants you to wear your Chi-com mask outdoors. I can certainly understand wearing a mask -- and do -- indoors at supermarkets, convenience stores and what have you but draw the line at wearing one outside. Why would you need to wear a mask when you're out in a park walking your dog with no one within 100 feet let alone 6. "National mandate", LOL. Good luck with that, chump. If these blue state tyrants were to get power, watch out.

“If you’re leaving your house, put on a mask. I think it ought to be a national, a national requirement.“

https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020...-national-mask-rule-to-fight-coronavirus.html

Not wearing a mask is selfish. Your civil liberties have not been infringed. As if this is new. Masks were mandated in many places in 1918 and if you didn’t, you were arrested or fined.

The spirit of the mandate would be if you are outside in crowded areas.

 

[RUaMoose]

Not wearing a mask is selfish. Your civil liberties have not been infringed. As if this is new. Masks were mandated in many places in 1918 and if you didn’t, you were arrested or fined.

The spirit of the mandate would be if you are outside in crowded areas.

Read carefully. He said "when you're leaving your house" which implies he expects you to wear a mask all the time regardless of where you are at not just "crowded areas" which I would agree with.

 

[bac2therac]

Murphy wants you to wear your Chi-com mask outdoors. I can certainly understand wearing a mask -- and do -- indoors at supermarkets, convenience stores and what have you but draw the line at wearing one outside. Why would you need to wear a mask when you're out in a park walking your dog with no one within 100 feet let alone 6. "National mandate", LOL. Good luck with that, chump. If these blue state tyrants were to get power, watch out.

“If you’re leaving your house, put on a mask. I think it ought to be a national, a national requirement.“

https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020...-national-mask-rule-to-fight-coronavirus.html

he is full of it, there is no need to wear a mask at all times and I and pretty much most people are not wearing masks on the beach or when we are walking our dogs. I am sure some Karen will come in here and scold, if you want to live a year or more of your life like that fine..then stay in at all times and shelter and let the rest of us live

Masks should be worn in stores and offices for a period of time until its deemed not necessary but outdoors um no.

 

[Barnaby&Neill]

he is full of it, there is no need to wear a mask at all times and I and pretty much most people are not wearing masks on the beach or when we are walking our dogs. I am sure some Karen will come in here and scold, if you want to live a year or more of your life like that fine..then stay in at all times and shelter and let the rest of us live

Masks should be worn in stores and offices for a period of time until its deemed not necessary but outdoors um no.

I think you guys are reading too much into his statement. To your point, I don’t wear a mask when walking the dogs, going for a run, etc., but the governor is trying to create a new habit, and he’s trying to get people to default to masks as much as possible.

When Governor Abbott in Texas said “there is absolutely no reason to leave your home,” I’m sure people understood that to mean “except when you need food, want to walk, have to water the plants, etc.”

 

[WhiteBus]

Not wearing a mask is selfish. Your civil liberties have not been infringed. As if this is new. Masks were mandated in many places in 1918 and if you didn’t, you were arrested or fined.

The spirit of the mandate would be if you are outside in crowded areas.

You can't mandate masks everywhere and then say "it's the spirit of the mandate" . You have very specific when it is required outdoors. But first let's stop telling everyone to wear masks without telling how to properly wear masks. Especially covering your nose at all times and NOT pulling it down to talk to someone 2 feet away from you.
If they are going to mandate masks everywhere it must give power to retailers to refuse service to anyone removing after entering or not wearing it properly. Otherwise mandating masks is just a political stunt.

 

[RUBOB72]

I think you guys are reading too much into his statement. To your point, I don’t wear a mask when walking the dogs, going for a run, etc., but the governor is trying to create a new habit, and he’s trying to get people to default to masks as much as possible.

When Governor Abbott in Texas said “there is absolutely no reason to leave your home,” I’m sure people understood that to mean “except when you need food, want to walk, have to water the plants, etc.”

You aren’t positive of that are you? That sense of POWER is addictive ...on all sides of the conversation...

 

[RUBOB72]

I think you guys are reading too much into his statement. To your point, I don’t wear a mask when walking the dogs, going for a run, etc., but the governor is trying to create a new habit, and he’s trying to get people to default to masks as much as possible.

When Governor Abbott in Texas said “there is absolutely no reason to leave your home,” I’m sure people understood that to mean “except when you need food, want to walk, have to water the plants, etc.”

By the way he’s your governor not mine...

 

[jreinsdorf]

As I said the day the HCQ news came out, one should usually be suspicious of medical findings being announced in the media instead of published in medical journals and reviewed by medical peers (especially on non-randomized/controlled clinical trials). This one looks a lot like that. Having said that, dexamethasone, another old steroid, was just shown in a randomized, controlled trial to significantly reduce mortality in COVID patients, so it's possible an inhaled steroid could be beneficial.

I've been giving the inhaled steroid pulmicort in various settings for as long as I can remember. I wonder if it has seen usage and efficacy in Covid either anecdotally or otherwise.

 

[RUBOB72]

Nice to see them pursuing both prevention and treatment trials. Regeneron has been my bet to produce the best engineered antibody treatment since they announced their program in mid-March, given their success with the same approach, which was successfully used for the Ebola virus. More in the link from the old thread below. Can't wait to see the results (should be September) and am hoping it's pretty close to a cure.

https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...entions-and-more.191275/page-176#post-4609892

Yes, hope you are correct .

 

[Barnaby&Neill]

By the way he’s your governor not mine...

He’s not my governor

 

[RUBOB72]

See you lucked out...

 

[RUBOB72]

Not wearing a mask is selfish. Your civil liberties have not been infringed. As if this is new. Masks were mandated in many places in 1918 and if you didn’t, you were arrested or fined.

The spirit of the mandate would be if you are outside in crowded areas.

The “spirit” of the mandate ? Don’t see a great deal of enthusiasm for mask wearing other than the sensible times such as inside offices, stores etc. Just make it mandatory when in bed sleeping why not Murph.

 

[T2Kplus10]

Interesting take on Sweden, they are still playing the long game and it may pay off in the end:

What Sweden Can Teach Us About Coronavirus
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/07/03/what-sweden-can-teach-us-about-coronavirus-348462

More interesting stuff on Sweden and their policy:

Swedish Covid Expert Says the World Still Doesn’t Understand
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...xpert-says-the-world-still-doesn-t-understand

Throughout it all, Tegnell has argued that the world is only in the first stage of dealing with a long, uncertain battle with Covid-19. That’s why Sweden’s strategy -- keep much of society open, but train people to observe distancing guidelines -- is the only realistic way to cope in the long run, he says.

“I’m looking forward to a more serious evaluation of our work than has been made so far,” Tegnell said in a podcast published by Swedish public radio. “There is no way of knowing how this ends.”

 

[bac2therac]

Just had this conversation with several others regarding Murphy’s desire to have a mandate directed at wearing a mask anytime when outside the home . NO Phil it ain’t gonna fly... I will not wear a mask to walk outside when others are nowhere around...I wear it in stores, offices, or when in close proximity to others... You can take the mask and stick it up where the sun doesn’t shine you horse toothed jackass.

Well said

 

[RUaMoose]

You can't mandate masks everywhere and then say "it's the spirit of the mandate" . You have very specific when it is required outdoors. But first let's stop telling everyone to wear masks without telling how to properly wear masks. Especially covering your nose at all times and NOT pulling it down to talk to someone 2 feet away from you.
If they are going to mandate masks everywhere it must give power to retailers to refuse service to anyone removing after entering or not wearing it properly. Otherwise mandating masks is just a political stunt.

Bingo. they're being nebulous on purpose. This is a slippery slope of gov't overreach.

 

[RutgHoops]

Hong Kong is one of the most densely populated cities/countries on the planet. No lockdown and 7 total Covid-19 deaths (worldometers link below). Mask wearing (indoors AND outdoors) is estimated at 97%. I've also included a map below in case folks didn't realize Hong Kong is located pretty close to China.

The duration of an 80% US economy is directly tied to our ability to reduce Covid cases. Thinking otherwise is foolish.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china-hong-kong-sar/

 

[Barnaby&Neill]

Bingo. they're being nebulous on purpose. This is a slippery slope of gov't overreach.

Next they’ll pull you over for drinking a six pack behind the wheel

 

[Joey Bags]

Hong Kong is one of the most densely populated cities/countries on the planet. No lockdown and 7 total Covid-19 deaths (worldometers link below). Mask wearing (indoors AND outdoors) is estimated at 97%. I've also included a map below in case folks didn't realize Hong Kong is located pretty close to China.

The duration of an 80% US economy is directly tied to our ability to reduce Covid cases. Thinking otherwise is foolish.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china-hong-kong-sar/

You're leaving out the part where all positive individuals are required to stay in a PLA-run medical internment facility for 14 days or until 2 negative test results are achieved. I'm not sure if they still do that since cases are down, but that was the SOP for at least the first part of the outbreak.

 

[RUevolution36]

More interesting stuff on Sweden and their policy:

Swedish Covid Expert Says the World Still Doesn’t Understand
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...xpert-says-the-world-still-doesn-t-understand

Throughout it all, Tegnell has argued that the world is only in the first stage of dealing with a long, uncertain battle with Covid-19. That’s why Sweden’s strategy -- keep much of society open, but train people to observe distancing guidelines -- is the only realistic way to cope in the long run, he says.

“I’m looking forward to a more serious evaluation of our work than has been made so far,” Tegnell said in a podcast published by Swedish public radio. “There is no way of knowing how this ends.”

Except Americans can't follow guidelines. That's been proven time and time again during the past few months. It's just not in our cultural fabric to put the good of everyone above our own wants. We are much more individualistic at worst, and tribalistic at best.

 

[Barnaby&Neill]

Except Americans can't follow guidelines. That's been proven time and time again during the past few months. It's just not in our cultural fabric to put the good of everyone above our own wants. We are much more individualistic at worst, and tribalistic at best.

There is a small group of people in our society who are compelled to undermine any constructive action taken against the virus.

Stay at home is government overreach; masks are government overreach; a vaccine sounds good to them until Bill Gates mentions it, then it is a conspiracy.

They are an economy’s worst nightmare, but insist their efforts to undermine attempts to control the virus are actually good for the economy.

 

[WhiteBus]

Hong Kong is one of the most densely populated cities/countries on the planet. No lockdown and 7 total Covid-19 deaths (worldometers link below). Mask wearing (indoors AND outdoors) is estimated at 97%. I've also included a map below in case folks didn't realize Hong Kong is located pretty close to China.

The duration of an 80% US economy is directly tied to our ability to reduce Covid cases. Thinking otherwise is foolish.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china-hong-kong-sar/

The govt never gave the official order for a lockdown but that is essentially what happened. Everything closed people worked from home. They are still in the process of opening everything.

 

[ArminRU]

Another vaccine candidate added to Operation Warp Speed. Anyone know if this technology has actually worked before? Nano particles sounds fancy.

https://www.biospace.com/article/re...-6-billion-funding-from-operation-warp-speed/

 

[RUevolution36]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ts-over-covid-19-vaccine-trials-idUSKBN2481EU

Moderna playing games? Not cool.

 

[Myrtleknight]

There is a mystery right now that epidemiologists don’t fully understand. The increase in daily new cases and the 2 week lag death rate has significantly diverged since the start of June. Where as up until June this was a highly correlated chart. This could be because of any number of factors but these are the facts.

Also despite the spike in cases only AZ is at 40% of ICU capacity, TX and SC at 30%. We are in no way at the near 100% ICU capacity crisis levels NY saw in March April. 70% is considered crisis level.

I can’t share the data, sorry.

 

[RobertG]

Except Americans can't follow guidelines. That's been proven time and time again during the past few months. It's just not in our cultural fabric to put the good of everyone above our own wants. We are much more individualistic at worst, and tribalistic at best.

Note: This post will sound political but I believe that communications is a very big key to fighting this virus.

I disagree. The biggest issue here has been lack of leadership as well as the current partisanship within our government and media. Trump lacks leadership skills and the democratic leaders, and their press, have attacked him from the beginning as dangerous and wrong (even if he is not dangerous and wrong) Trump in response, invites these attacks and amplifies them for political gain. These issues ensure that there will be no consistent messaging. Add to that each Gov is trying to make political points and the press continues to pit R vs. D. Now add to the inconsistent messaging from our health officials (protests for BLM are good, protests to end lockdowns will kill everyone; Don't wear masks, mask are the only thing which will save us) and you have a great receipt for failure.

 

[RUBOB72]

Oh crap... sounds a bit political my friend... lol

 

[RU23]

Another vaccine candidate added to Operation Warp Speed. Anyone know if this technology has actually worked before? Nano particles sounds fancy.

https://www.biospace.com/article/re...-6-billion-funding-from-operation-warp-speed/

Regeneron also got $450mil.

 

[RUBOB72]

Hong Kong is one of the most densely populated cities/countries on the planet. No lockdown and 7 total Covid-19 deaths (worldometers link below). Mask wearing (indoors AND outdoors) is estimated at 97%. I've also included a map below in case folks didn't realize Hong Kong is located pretty close to China.

The duration of an 80% US economy is directly tied to our ability to reduce Covid cases. Thinking otherwise is foolish.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china-hong-kong-sar/

Go live in Hong Kong if you adhere to the overuse of wearing a mask.I’m sure you’ll enjoy the lifestyle.

 

[WhiteBus]

There is a small group of people in our society who are compelled to undermine any constructive action taken against the virus.

Stay at home is government overreach; masks are government overreach; a vaccine sounds good to them until Bill Gates mentions it, then it is a conspiracy.

They are an economy’s worst nightmare, but insist their efforts to undermine attempts to control the virus are actually good for the economy.

And there people like you that think until most every one no longer has the virus we should increase the restrictions. The original US response and the state's responses were not designed to eliminate or control the virsus but merely slow it down to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed. However, once certain people loved the complete control of everything the goal is now to nearly eliminate the virus. And even after all that was done, nothing really changed because of it. People got sick and died in outrageous numbers.

 

[ArminRU]

More Warp Speed news. Looks like they they are adding antibody treatments into the fold, and not just vaccines. This is a good idea. Only crappy thing is this only gets us about a million doses. Better than nothing, but we need 100 million.

https://www.barrons.com/articles/us...id-19-antibody-51594130963?refsec=coronavirus

 

[ArminRU]

Regeneron also got $450mil.

Just saw that. Hope they throw a ton of money at antibody treatments.

 

[RutgHoops]

Go live in Hong Kong if you adhere to the overuse of wearing a mask.I’m sure you’ll enjoy the lifestyle.

I have been to Hong Kong a couple times. If you need a new suit or some custom shirts I am happy to give you the name of my tailor. Not as good as the tailors in London, but pretty damn good. My Rutgers college roommate runs Asian operations for a LARGE tech firm and lives in Hong Kong. He and his family seem to like it.

When you are your ilk break out the song of the defeated..."Go live in..." do you actually waive a white flag or is it just a metaphorical surrender?

 

[RUevolution36]

I have been to Hong Kong a couple times. If you need a new suit or some custom shirts I am happy to give you the name of my tailor. Not as good as the tailors in London, but pretty damn good. My Rutgers college roommate runs Asian operations for a LARGE tech firm and lives in Hong Kong. He and his family seem to like it.

When you are your ilk break out the song of the defeated..."Go live in..." do you actually waive a white flag or is it a just a metaphorical surrender?

He also seems to think the lifestyle in HK is any different there than anywhere else in the world. People get up every day, go to work, go to school, go to bars, go out to eat...

 

[RUJohnny]

I feel like there might be an elephant in the room regarding the vaccine. What percentage of the population do you expect to line up to receive it in year one? I'd put that number around 50% a month ago, but I think the longer the life restrictions continue, the more that number will creep up. I don't think it gets above 70%. How will government react to those who refuse it?

 

[RUBOB72]

WhiteBus: save your breath ... you are talking to those who gladly will follow as sheep ....simply due to the system of education that has been going on for 40+ years ... this is not about the science of mask wearing... social separation ... washing hands etc. ...it is about a philosophy of a different type...someone wrote on here recently an opinion about “ why Hitler was a genius?”... Hitler was a megalomaniac in it’s truest form... the more he got away with ... the more he took away from the people... sounds like our entire country is loaded with those types.

 

[RUevolution36]

I feel like there might be an elephant in the room regarding the vaccine. What percentage of the population do you expect to line up to receive it in year one? I'd put that number around 50% a month ago, but I think the longer the life restrictions continue, the more that number will creep up. I don't think it gets above 70%. How will government react to those who refuse it?

Wasn't there a number floating out there that, best case estimate, ~75% would get a vaccine...eventually?

 

[Barnaby&Neill]

And there people like you that think until most every one no longer has the virus we should increase the restrictions. The original US response and the state's responses were not designed to eliminate or control the virsus but merely slow it down to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed. However, once certain people loved the complete control of everything the goal is now to nearly eliminate the virus. And even after all that was done, nothing really changed because of it. People got sick and died in outrageous numbers.

My view shared on this site often—though much of it lost now as it was on the CE board—is that you keep the stay at home order until you have the resources and planning to reopen successfully (in other words a method of testing and tracing to suppress flare ups — not something like Texas had: “we’re reopening, but don’t worry we’re limiting dining reservations to 10 people / table”)

You take the harsh ‘medicine’ ONCE, suppress transmission, build for the next phase, and then you react quickly to suppress recurrences. That’s why France is planning to have fans in the stands at the French Open in September, while were still figuring out if we can get athletes on fields.

Parts of our country are going to take the medicine at least twice; I revert back to the Bernanke statement from March that I’ve shared here before (paraphrasing): ‘you want to control the health crisis before you reopen the economy, because the worst thing for the economy is if people have to retreat to their homes a second time.’ And it’s not just government orders, where infections are rampant, people will stay home. (Call it the Chipotle effect, even if the risk of death is small, people will avoid exposure until assured the risk has been addressed)

 

[Jm0513]

I feel like there might be an elephant in the room regarding the vaccine. What percentage of the population do you expect to line up to receive it in year one? I'd put that number around 50% a month ago, but I think the longer the life restrictions continue, the more that number will creep up. I don't think it gets above 70%. How will government react to those who refuse it?

I will not be getting any vaccine. No thank you...