What... That most everyone living in Corona, got Corona? So now they are most likely immune to Corona in Corona? NAhhhh..:WideSmile::WideSmile:
COVID-19 Pandemic: Transmissions, Deaths, Treatments, Vaccines, Interventions and More...
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What... That most everyone living in Corona, got Corona? So now they are most likely immune to Corona in Corona? NAhhhh..:WideSmile::WideSmile:
It’s also worth observing that even if this result holds through further testing, it will be a triumph from a life-saving perspective, but may not do much to change our economic behavior in the near-term.
People will be reassured that the downside scenario is less frightening, but frankly no one wants to end up in a hospital gasping for air and relying on an intravenous drug to save them from a critical situation.
When mildly ill patients can pick something up at Walgreens with a script from their primary care physician, I think they’ll feel much more comfortable about embracing experiences again.
Surge update-
11,433 new cases in FL — just shy of their all time high of 11,458 reported last week. Disney World scheduled to open tomorrow.
Rolling 7 day deaths in FL now at 416 after they reported 93 today; compared to 7-day total of 320 deaths after reporting 68 last Friday.
4,221 new cases out of AZ —highest since last Friday. 44 deaths reported today, rolling 7-day total is 294. Last Friday: 31 deaths, 7-day total of 253.
11,433 new cases in FL — just shy of their all time high of 11,458 reported last week. Disney World scheduled to open tomorrow.
Rolling 7 day deaths in FL now at 416 after they reported 93 today; compared to 7-day total of 320 deaths after reporting 68 last Friday.
4,221 new cases out of AZ —highest since last Friday. 44 deaths reported today, rolling 7-day total is 294. Last Friday: 31 deaths, 7-day total of 253.
They may be immune for a few months but what happens when those antibodies go bye bye, they may become reinfected again , si or no?
Two very interesting interviews with Dr. Fauci, where he speaks pretty freely, for the most part. He talks about everything COVID from his concerns over the current case surges to treatments/vaccines to the politics of it all to him and his family receiving death threats. A couple of quotes highlighted below from each.
https://www.ft.com/content/57834c2c-a078-4736-9173-8fb32cfbbf4e
“I have a reputation, as you probably have figured out, of speaking the truth at all times and not sugar-coating things. And that may be one of the reasons why I haven’t been on television very much lately,” he says.
As he heads off to an afternoon coronavirus task force briefing where he expects an “intense” discussion about state surges, he imparts a message that is far from sugar-coated. He wants me to know that this pandemic really is “the big one”. Covid-19 has the worst elements of previous epidemics combined. “You have a random virus jump species from an animal to a human that is spectacularly efficient in spreading from human to human, and has a high degree, relatively speaking, of morbidity and mortality,” he says. “We are living in the perfect storm right now.”
https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...-made-it-more-difficult-to-suppress-covid-19/
AR: How do you think the U.S. is doing right now? If you’re looking across the world, what are your feelings about how we’re doing right now?
AF: Well, let me say there are parts of the United States, like where you live right now [in New York], that are doing really well, that you’ve been through something really bad and you have things under control. And you have a governor and mayor in the city who understand what it means to go by the guidelines for the gateway, phase one, phase two, phase three. So you’re doing well. Other cities are doing well. But as a country, when you compare us to other countries, I don’t think you can say we’re doing great. I mean, we’re just not.
AR: Without a vaccine, how hopeful are you that we’ll get this pandemic under control in the U.S.?
AF: I think we can get it under control. But keeping it under control is going to be the real problem. Because this virus is not like other viruses that we’ve experienced, like the original SARS from 2002. That was a coronavirus. It caused an outbreak, a pandemic — there were 8,000 cases and 800 deaths. So in magnitude alone, you see how different it is from what we’re doing now. But it was not really very well and efficiently transmissible, whereas this virus, to our dismay, is spectacularly efficient in transmitting from person to person. So that makes me skeptical whether we would get permanent, sustained control of this without having a vaccine.
https://www.ft.com/content/57834c2c-a078-4736-9173-8fb32cfbbf4e
“I have a reputation, as you probably have figured out, of speaking the truth at all times and not sugar-coating things. And that may be one of the reasons why I haven’t been on television very much lately,” he says.
As he heads off to an afternoon coronavirus task force briefing where he expects an “intense” discussion about state surges, he imparts a message that is far from sugar-coated. He wants me to know that this pandemic really is “the big one”. Covid-19 has the worst elements of previous epidemics combined. “You have a random virus jump species from an animal to a human that is spectacularly efficient in spreading from human to human, and has a high degree, relatively speaking, of morbidity and mortality,” he says. “We are living in the perfect storm right now.”
https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...-made-it-more-difficult-to-suppress-covid-19/
AR: How do you think the U.S. is doing right now? If you’re looking across the world, what are your feelings about how we’re doing right now?
AF: Well, let me say there are parts of the United States, like where you live right now [in New York], that are doing really well, that you’ve been through something really bad and you have things under control. And you have a governor and mayor in the city who understand what it means to go by the guidelines for the gateway, phase one, phase two, phase three. So you’re doing well. Other cities are doing well. But as a country, when you compare us to other countries, I don’t think you can say we’re doing great. I mean, we’re just not.
AR: Without a vaccine, how hopeful are you that we’ll get this pandemic under control in the U.S.?
AF: I think we can get it under control. But keeping it under control is going to be the real problem. Because this virus is not like other viruses that we’ve experienced, like the original SARS from 2002. That was a coronavirus. It caused an outbreak, a pandemic — there were 8,000 cases and 800 deaths. So in magnitude alone, you see how different it is from what we’re doing now. But it was not really very well and efficiently transmissible, whereas this virus, to our dismay, is spectacularly efficient in transmitting from person to person. So that makes me skeptical whether we would get permanent, sustained control of this without having a vaccine.
Amazing to me that a guy gets death threats because doesn't tell people what they want to hear.
Interesting article on Florida possibly under-reporting COVID deaths, based on known "excess deaths," as the COVID reported deaths are only 42% of the excess deaths reported in FL. In contrast, in NY, for example, as per the CDC report below (2nd link/excerpt in italics), out of 24,172 excess deaths from 3/11-5/2, 78% were either lab-confirmed COVID or presumed COVID-associated deaths. Huge difference.
https://wptv.com/rebound/excess-deaths-raise-concerns-about-pandemics-death-toll-in-florida
"A look at the past six months in Florida shows why health experts are increasingly concerned about death toll numbers here. Between January to June 30, Florida reported 8,671 excess deaths, that’s more than double the 3,650 deaths the state attributed to COVID-19."
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6919e5.htm
"During March 11–May 2, 2020, a total of 32,107 deaths were reported to DOHMH; of these deaths, 24,172 (95% confidence interval = 22,980–25,364) were found to be in excess of the seasonal expected baseline. Included in the 24,172 deaths were 13,831 (57%) laboratory-confirmed COVID-19–associated deaths and 5,048 (21%) probable COVID-19–associated deaths, leaving 5,293 (22%) excess deaths that were not identified as either laboratory-confirmed or probable COVID-19–associated deaths."
https://wptv.com/rebound/excess-deaths-raise-concerns-about-pandemics-death-toll-in-florida
"A look at the past six months in Florida shows why health experts are increasingly concerned about death toll numbers here. Between January to June 30, Florida reported 8,671 excess deaths, that’s more than double the 3,650 deaths the state attributed to COVID-19."
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6919e5.htm
"During March 11–May 2, 2020, a total of 32,107 deaths were reported to DOHMH; of these deaths, 24,172 (95% confidence interval = 22,980–25,364) were found to be in excess of the seasonal expected baseline. Included in the 24,172 deaths were 13,831 (57%) laboratory-confirmed COVID-19–associated deaths and 5,048 (21%) probable COVID-19–associated deaths, leaving 5,293 (22%) excess deaths that were not identified as either laboratory-confirmed or probable COVID-19–associated deaths."
its so hypocritical and he also has banned any large group gatherings but said protesting is something that can be done and is exempt..its mindboggling
They just began a trial for an inhaler version of Remdesivir (it currently only can be given by IV). This could be given by doctors, before people get to the hospital stage, as soon as someone tests positive. If Remdesivir is making a decent impact with hospitalized patients, you gotta think receiving this drug earlier will help just as much, maybe even more. Could be huge, they really need to hurry up with this study.
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This is a quote from a traveling nurse who is now working out of Arizona, she was also in NYC during the worst of the outbreak, you have to respect the work they do from one hot spot to the next. Garcia's noticed similar conditions to New York, but nothing as severe. She cares for two vented, sedated patients at a time, and entire units have been converted to treat only COVID-19 patients. Her hospital is getting transfers of coronavirus patients from others nearby, and she's seen many people recover, leave her floor, test positive again and return. She had also said that the hospital she is at now in Arizona is much more prepared then the days in NYC and I would say that’s a no brainer since they’ve had much time to prepare.
The gift that keeps on giving. If you can get this over and over again then there is no hope.
SMH.... Ya might wanna re-read my post... But this time try with a sense of humor.... Cuz if ya did that the first time... Youd've realized it was a tongue in cheek response to another post....
Great numbers in NJ again today. We're under 100 people on vents statewide for the first time since March. 906 total in hospitals. Rt back under the critical threshold at .96
Spot positivity 2.25, new cases 357, new deaths 31.
Spot positivity 2.25, new cases 357, new deaths 31.
For the deaths, they are not necessarily from the past 24 hours.
How many within the last 24 is data that the public would like to see.
I don’t have the data to play with, but I actually think these ‘excess death gaps’ are greater than believed nation-wide.
Consider this: the formula right now (as far as I can tell) is excess death gap = (total deaths - Covid deaths) - expected deaths
As far as I can tell, the expected death number is not being adjusted for all of the deadly things people aren’t doing right now — I’m thinking of a big one in commuting, which probably contributes a fair amount of deaths.
If the formula were: excess death gap = (total deaths - Covid deaths) - (expected deaths - 75% of driving deaths), you end up with an even bigger gap.
There are probably offsets both ways — more people dying at home, more people avoiding medical care. Would love to see the data and really understand the drivers.
why won’t the state show how many actually passed in last 24 hours?
Likely because deaths are typically not reported in that real time. Just look at what other states are doing where they state that death data for the last two weeks is incomplete. NJ is far from unique here.
Despite data showing that some recovered patients have low to even undetected antibodies a few months after an infection, we still don't know if that means lost immunity, however (given T-cell protection and the potential to make more antibodies), plus there have been no documented cases of reinfection. So far, all the reports of "reinfection" have actually been due to people still testing positive, due to shards of viral RNA being present (the PCR test simply tests for pieces of viral RNA, not active, infectious virus), but not actually having viable virus that can be transmitted. Doesn't mean we won't eventually see reinfection if immunity is lost over time, but it hasn't been documented yet.
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/932105#vp_3
Some doctor from Jersey just reported three of his patients who had Corona in March, contracted it again at a 4th of July party. Article says they had tested negative numerous times before in the intervening months. However. the article doesn't state whether they had symptoms or anything this time around. I remain skeptical of the doctor's claim.
Lots of good news Today. https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/07/10/pfizer-and-biontechs-coronavirus-vaccine-ready-for.aspx
Just saw an new article where the inhaler version of Remdesivir just started. Maybe the August note I read before was when the results will be expected. Glad they are starting the trial now.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/leahro...treat-covid-19-outside-hospital/#5092a7534d39
I know the 11 year old and one of the 17 year olds have severe underlying conditions. Probably not more potent just bad luck with kids getting it. 15 kids have died from it in NY state.
#GoPharma is right-could very well save our Republic. :Pray: :Praying:
3 States Account for 42 Percent of All COVID-19 Deaths in America. Why?
Why have New York, New Jersey, and Massachusetts suffered so much more than other US states? We don’t yet know the answer to that question, but evidence suggests it could be policy related.
https://fee.org/articles/3-states-account-for-42-percent-of-all-covid-19-deaths-in-america-why
Why have New York, New Jersey, and Massachusetts suffered so much more than other US states? We don’t yet know the answer to that question, but evidence suggests it could be policy related.
https://fee.org/articles/3-states-account-for-42-percent-of-all-covid-19-deaths-in-america-why
Trash article. the United States = under 5 percent of the world's population but it has around 25 percent of worldwide deaths from Coronavirus. Why? We don't know for sure the answer to that question, but evidence suggests it could be related to policies such as 15 cases soon to be zero, it all just magically disappear, the heat in April will kill it, not allowing any states to test anyone besides those who came back from China, not stopping travel from Europe, not giving China our PPE, and waiting months to use the DPA to order more, saying nothing to worry about it here, it will magically go away, refusing to wear a mask, promoting medicines that do not work, and refusing to take the virus seriously because of an election coming up.
You consistently post absolute crap about the virus. By far the biggest reason our area had so many more cases and deaths is two-fold as I've said repeatedly: this area had, by far, the most travelers arriving from Europe bringing the virus in Feb/March, which, combined with the utter failure of the Federal Government to provide testing capability (and medical supplies/PPE) left this area flying completely blind into a pandemic with tens of thousands of unknown cases by early March when the first tests were run in NY and NJ and we didn't have more than 1000 tests per day until about mid-March when things started shutting down, during a time we should have had 20,000 tests per day.
Given the very high population and commuting densities in this area, it's no wonder that we then saw the most explosive exponential growth on the planet throughout March into April. That growth is what led to the very high death rates and as I've posted a few times before, NJ has an average % of nursing home/LTC deaths, while NY has one of the best on a % basis. The death rates in the states spiking now will likely be significantly lower than those we saw in the NE US, but that is only due to the ready availability of testing letting them know who's ill, combined with most cases now being in younger people, since older people now know to distance themselves and wear masks (very few were wearing masks in the first wave due to another Administration failure of not having secured enough masks for the general public, while other countries with 1/100th the death rate of the US did), plus improved medical procedures/treatments, which were developed on the guinea pigs in NY/NJ.
Furthermore, that article is horribly wrong on Sweden, too, saying, "Sweden suffered far fewer deaths per capita than several European neighbors that instituted strict lockdowns—including Belgium, Italy, Spain, and the United Kingdom." And he also said, "Indeed, Sweden’s death rate is remarkably close to that of France." Sweden's per capita death rate is 547/1MM - if he (or you) think that's "far fewer" than Italy's 578 (difference is 31), Spain's 608 (difference is 61), or the UK's 658 (difference is 117) and "remarkably close" to France's 460/1MM (difference is 87), you guys need to have your math cards revoked. Yes, Belgium's is 844/1MM, so he got one minor detail correct.
If this guy wants to write an expose, he should write one on why the US has done so badly vs. the countries that have done far, far better, using essentially our playbook, which we ignored.
NJ and NY governors were disasters with the nursing home deaths, stop excusing it, you certainly dont excused anything else..are you really saying that nursing home percentages matter when 200 die in Indiana and 7K in NJ...great comparison
also noticed that this thread has a string of anecdotal stories about young people, its as if posters have to rush to post one offs as much as possible..guess what, stats dont lie, young people dont die from this
My point isn't to excuse the neglect of the elderly at all - it's to show that Cuomo/NY and Murphy/NJ were no worse than their peers (and NY much better) on this - every governor effed up protection of the elderly, IMO, but a lot of that is simply tied to our society's general lack of caring about the elderly. And yes, percentages are the only way to do an apples to apples comparison, not total numbers, since those percentages were generally all lost in a similar timeframe - our rate was just hugely greater, due to the complete lack of testing and knowledge of the size and growth rate of the outbreak here, which others states were lucky enough to not have to deal with.
Flying blind with little testing. On the flip side I am curious why the percentage of deaths at LTC facilities are much higher in other states. Yes, they have many less deaths but why are they not protecting their elderly?
Larry Levitt, executive vice president for health policy at the Kaiser Family Foundation,
"I think in the next week, the pattern of increasing deaths is going to become clear," he said. "And it will no longer be possible to claim that the declining mortality is somehow a success."
Levitt is entitled to his opinion as much as any guy , but if you do a background on him you will not see a fair minded man of science.
But go ahead and keep quoting him, it's a free country
Remdesivir was mentioned a few times today.
Bad news is that we are running out of it. With the increase of hospitalizations, we can’t keep up. Didn’t know hospitals had to ration it.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/10/hospitals-running-short-of-remdesivir-for-covid19-patients/
Bad news is that we are running out of it. With the increase of hospitalizations, we can’t keep up. Didn’t know hospitals had to ration it.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/10/hospitals-running-short-of-remdesivir-for-covid19-patients/
I have no idea who Levitt is, and I might even believe he is not a fair minded man of science.
But the trends in deaths has already hit bottom and has already begun it's increase.
Anyone thinking this would not happen were not paying attention.
More and more signs of hospitals, even though they stocked up in preparation for a surge in cases, are on the verge of being over run.
Doom and gloom? Or the unfortunate reality?
More prisoner of the moment articles. That % is going to decrease dramatically over the upcoming weeks.
Please go visit the family's of the 106 people under 30 in NY who have died from it, and the 55 in NJ under 30 who have died from it and tell them that. You won't.
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