Ash had to take bot He needed to get that 1 bec of riding time locked up. If he cant get out from bot he doesn't deserve to win. He will be the first to agree with me. I get it jack did nothing on top but thats wrestling and the ref let it go so u have to try to fight threw it. I was surprised he didn't take that many shots. He had nice attempt is 1per and jack was all over it. And then Ash shut it down. Jacks length will be a issue for ash but they will figure it out.
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Jack won the take down battle too so he earned the W but that was a ton of stalling. dropped to a leg about a dozen times, carried the action out of bounds. very ugly match to watch.
Walsh was impressive over Lewis. Giraldo ran out of gas. rough 3 matches but still a very quality tournament overall. hope none of the injuries are bad. any update for Gravina?
Walsh was impressive over Lewis. Giraldo ran out of gas. rough 3 matches but still a very quality tournament overall. hope none of the injuries are bad. any update for Gravina?
Passe24-while I agree he needs to get out from bottom, it was still a bad decision to choose down in the 3rd. Score is 4-2(plus riding time is locked up). What do you think is a more likely scenario-1. Ash chooses bottom, gets and escape, then a takedownand rides out Jack to go to overtime at 5-5(yes he could choose bottom, get out and score two takedowns to win, but the way the match was going up to that point seems unlikely). Scenario 2.-Ash chooses neutral and scores two takedowns(also possible Ash to score backs off one of his many attacks), Jack gets one escape and the riding time point to send to overtime.
I will take my chances with AA to win the match on his feet.
He got 1 TD & stalled for over 4 minutes. That's what's destroying wrestling. Refs need to wake up & call stalling correctly as this has been going on for literally decades.
Sucks about Gravina.
Smith about to win as well. Up 5-0 over Peck of Md w less than a min to go.
Bak still hasn't peaked. Quietly getting better. Maybe one to watch. $$$$
Abro, I heard Perrotti got 10 stiches in his eyebrow during his match with the Nebraska kid. The eyed swelled almost shut overnight, so he did not wrestle today. Hope that is his only injury.
Gravina does not sound good, have not heard about HH.
Thanks for the update. I heard everything from a back to a broken finger, and now the eyebrow, which is probably the quickest thing to recover from.
Bak and Smith wrestled well and ended the tournament on a couple nice looking wins. fingers crossed about the injuries. really sucks and tournament is a meat grinder but also the best preparation for the NCAAs that you can get (along with the Scuffle and CKLV)
3rd place is pretty dang good.
3rd place is pretty dang good.
Not sure if the BTN graphic was wrong or Midlands twitter who has NCST with 95.5:
Final #Midlands53 team scores:
1) Iowa - 152
2) Nebraska - 135
3) Rutgers - 110
4) NC State - 95.5
5) Rider - 67
I am not sure we ever did send 15 out. But that being said we sure showed up and beat some good kids. Now to get better.
Did anyone catch the Dudley Taylor match? That was insane....I thought Dudley was just going to casually destroy Taylor's shoulder for a moment - it certainly looked like he could have.
Leonard - I think I saw the 95.5 score for NCST before the Gwiz match...so maybe that is the discrepancy. I had checked to make sure they couldnt catch us.
Leonard - I think I saw the 95.5 score for NCST before the Gwiz match...so maybe that is the discrepancy. I had checked to make sure they couldnt catch us.
Very true. but for the record I didn't think he was going to ride Kolodzik out for the win either and some how he did. I couldn't agree more that Ash has to beat him on there feet and didn't do that as well. Tough call either way.
Very nice team result, particularly finishing ahead of a highly ranked NC State squad. Are all of the other top teams (Penn State, OK State etc.) wrestling in the Southern Scuffle or do some teams skip these tournaments? As alluded to above, these same like great preparation for the NCAA tournament on the one hand but, on the other hand, they are real meat grinders.
We will find out about Gravina after he sees his doctor. Thought maybe a month but may be less than that. Yes AP had the stitches in his head from a head butt in his match.
Hi All,new too this board,but certainly have been a fan,ever since I put wrestling shoe's on. I'd like give my opinion of what I saw this weekend.
125 McCabe: I think the kid is a scrapper.He wrestles aggressive and is constantly trying too score points.He definitely is a top 20 kid.On the flipside,he seems too get out muscled by the "higher" level competition.His moves are as slick as anyone's,but the strength factor needs to become more of something he relies on in his arsenal.I can see him winning 1 to 2 rounds at NCAA's.Don't see him placing.Round of 12 is a best case scenario
133 Giraldo: The kid is a stud.Him beating Hall was pure icing on the cake.For what Hall did too Goodale and staff,Giraldo justified it with his upset. I feel he is very consistent.More than most of our guys.His upside it limitless.He does need to keep the pace going all the way too the end.I kind of feel he looses it somewhere btw the end of the 2nd and the end of the 3rd periods.That's just maturity.He has definitely proved himself as a Blue Chip recruit.I'd put the house on it that he low AA's this year.I think he has all the potential too be 2x,3x AA,when his career is all said and done.
141 Ashnault: The kids going to go down as one of Rutgers all time great athletes,let alone wrestler.Yeah,that loss too Kolodzik and Jack where not pretty,but he rebounded too beat Kolodzik and Mecate.These kids wrestle round after round,and maybe the pressure or some fatigue got too Anthony.The kid is still in the mix of an NCAA title,along with Heil,Jack,Mecate,and McKenna. Definitely a return too the podium this year.I don't see him making the finals,unless he brings his best.If he does,he's a definitely a finalist.High AA at the worst.
149 Theo and Dippery: Got give Tyson some props here.The kid wrestles his butt off and threw everything out there accept the kitchen sink.Again,like McCabe,he has all the tools,but when evenly match technique-wise,gets out muscled.Other than that,love the kids heart. Theo..the kids right there.I thought he should have had back points against Sorensen. That shoulder turk/power half was tight as heck and he was legitimately turned.Against Clangdon,he wrestled tough,and BJ was gassing and pulling a "my fake shoulder is hurt".I don't know who he was getting into with ( wouldn't be surprised if it was that big mouth Nase),but there was definitely no love lost btw Rutgers and Rider that match.Right now ,as Dippery sits,his best case scenario is a wildcard selection.I do think he's got as good a chance as anyone too sneak out a couple of rounds at NCAA's,but that is best case scenario.Theo is right there,in the mix too AA.If he keeps his head on straight,and wrestles tough next year,he'll be on the podium.
157: Richie Lewis.Him loosing too Walsh like that was not good....especially,when we are arch rivals so to speak with Rider.Richie has got too keep consistent.Reminds me much of Winston.When he is on,he one of the best in his weight class,but when he's down,he gets beat pretty good.With that said,he did avenge his loss too Cooper and wrestles too that whistle consistently.If he "brings it" come Big 10 and NCAA's,he definitely can be a round of 12'er,and if the stars are all aligned,could possibly get on that podium.
165 Perrotti:You can definitely tell he was hurt,but that is wrestling.The NCAA tournament doesn't care if you have a bad day or if you are hurt.Last year people where always saying "Hmm,I wonder what Perrotti will show up today".This year he has been very consistent and has beaten some serious competition.As a parent,you never want too see a kid have too compete hurt,and I hope he is ok.I think this tournament was good for him,like all of our other guys.Even though Anthony has been there twice too NCAA's,the Midlands gives him and the crew a quick tastes of what is going too come.If Anthony keeps his head on straight and wrestles his toughest,definitely has a chance too high AA.I'm actually thinking he could make the finals against Ringer.
174: Bakuckas: The kid wrestled tough.Beat some serious competition,and deserves that allusive top 20 ranking he's been deserving.I think he has turned the corner.The only thing that holds Phil back is Phil.Loved that he was constantly taking shots and being aggressive.Definitely a NCAA qualifier.
184: Gravina: Like Dippery and McCabe,it's a strength issue with Nick.He wrestles tough,is a hammer on top,but looks like he struggles to snap other wrestlers down and hold them in position.I was shaking like a prison inmate,going too the electric chair, when I saw his shoulder pop out.From what I heard,he's gonna be alright.Needs too stay healthy and focused,and grow into that weight.The kid has so much heart,but that only translates so much.Don't see him qualifying for NCAA"s.Yes,he beat Dudley and took it too Dean,but that weight is brutal in the Big 10.Wildcard at best.
197:Hayden; Who would of ever thought he would've made it too the Midlands semi's.With that said,he went back too the old Hayden in his final 2 matches.He is probably the most wishy washy wrestler on that team.When he's on,he can pin anyone,but when
he's in his funk,he'll just sit there like he's admiring the mat texture.I don't think he will qualify for NCAA"s.Probably a wildcard at best.
285: Smitty:Sometimes you just want too walk out on the mat and say "Billy,get that I'm scared of anyone above a top 10 ranking face off".Like everyone else has said,he has definitely regressed.He should have not lost too Larson and Stoll.The kid from Maryland,who he pounded twice,rode Stoll like a Mule going too Cinco DeMayo.Billy is his worst enemy.He has the size,strength,and technique too high AA,but for some reason shuts down.Could be it be a family issue,burn out,or whatever? If Smitty doesn't resolve this internal conflict quick,the rest of his life will be filled with regret.He will definitely qualify for NCAA's.What he does from there,is up too him.If he wrestles tough,and smart..no question he AA's.If he comes like he did against Dhesi( who didn't even place and was beat by the Maryland kid...???)it's gonna be a quick tournament for Billy.I'm thinking round of 12 at best.
125 McCabe: I think the kid is a scrapper.He wrestles aggressive and is constantly trying too score points.He definitely is a top 20 kid.On the flipside,he seems too get out muscled by the "higher" level competition.His moves are as slick as anyone's,but the strength factor needs to become more of something he relies on in his arsenal.I can see him winning 1 to 2 rounds at NCAA's.Don't see him placing.Round of 12 is a best case scenario
133 Giraldo: The kid is a stud.Him beating Hall was pure icing on the cake.For what Hall did too Goodale and staff,Giraldo justified it with his upset. I feel he is very consistent.More than most of our guys.His upside it limitless.He does need to keep the pace going all the way too the end.I kind of feel he looses it somewhere btw the end of the 2nd and the end of the 3rd periods.That's just maturity.He has definitely proved himself as a Blue Chip recruit.I'd put the house on it that he low AA's this year.I think he has all the potential too be 2x,3x AA,when his career is all said and done.
141 Ashnault: The kids going to go down as one of Rutgers all time great athletes,let alone wrestler.Yeah,that loss too Kolodzik and Jack where not pretty,but he rebounded too beat Kolodzik and Mecate.These kids wrestle round after round,and maybe the pressure or some fatigue got too Anthony.The kid is still in the mix of an NCAA title,along with Heil,Jack,Mecate,and McKenna. Definitely a return too the podium this year.I don't see him making the finals,unless he brings his best.If he does,he's a definitely a finalist.High AA at the worst.
149 Theo and Dippery: Got give Tyson some props here.The kid wrestles his butt off and threw everything out there accept the kitchen sink.Again,like McCabe,he has all the tools,but when evenly match technique-wise,gets out muscled.Other than that,love the kids heart. Theo..the kids right there.I thought he should have had back points against Sorensen. That shoulder turk/power half was tight as heck and he was legitimately turned.Against Clangdon,he wrestled tough,and BJ was gassing and pulling a "my fake shoulder is hurt".I don't know who he was getting into with ( wouldn't be surprised if it was that big mouth Nase),but there was definitely no love lost btw Rutgers and Rider that match.Right now ,as Dippery sits,his best case scenario is a wildcard selection.I do think he's got as good a chance as anyone too sneak out a couple of rounds at NCAA's,but that is best case scenario.Theo is right there,in the mix too AA.If he keeps his head on straight,and wrestles tough next year,he'll be on the podium.
157: Richie Lewis.Him loosing too Walsh like that was not good....especially,when we are arch rivals so to speak with Rider.Richie has got too keep consistent.Reminds me much of Winston.When he is on,he one of the best in his weight class,but when he's down,he gets beat pretty good.With that said,he did avenge his loss too Cooper and wrestles too that whistle consistently.If he "brings it" come Big 10 and NCAA's,he definitely can be a round of 12'er,and if the stars are all aligned,could possibly get on that podium.
165 Perrotti:You can definitely tell he was hurt,but that is wrestling.The NCAA tournament doesn't care if you have a bad day or if you are hurt.Last year people where always saying "Hmm,I wonder what Perrotti will show up today".This year he has been very consistent and has beaten some serious competition.As a parent,you never want too see a kid have too compete hurt,and I hope he is ok.I think this tournament was good for him,like all of our other guys.Even though Anthony has been there twice too NCAA's,the Midlands gives him and the crew a quick tastes of what is going too come.If Anthony keeps his head on straight and wrestles his toughest,definitely has a chance too high AA.I'm actually thinking he could make the finals against Ringer.
174: Bakuckas: The kid wrestled tough.Beat some serious competition,and deserves that allusive top 20 ranking he's been deserving.I think he has turned the corner.The only thing that holds Phil back is Phil.Loved that he was constantly taking shots and being aggressive.Definitely a NCAA qualifier.
184: Gravina: Like Dippery and McCabe,it's a strength issue with Nick.He wrestles tough,is a hammer on top,but looks like he struggles to snap other wrestlers down and hold them in position.I was shaking like a prison inmate,going too the electric chair, when I saw his shoulder pop out.From what I heard,he's gonna be alright.Needs too stay healthy and focused,and grow into that weight.The kid has so much heart,but that only translates so much.Don't see him qualifying for NCAA"s.Yes,he beat Dudley and took it too Dean,but that weight is brutal in the Big 10.Wildcard at best.
197:Hayden; Who would of ever thought he would've made it too the Midlands semi's.With that said,he went back too the old Hayden in his final 2 matches.He is probably the most wishy washy wrestler on that team.When he's on,he can pin anyone,but when
he's in his funk,he'll just sit there like he's admiring the mat texture.I don't think he will qualify for NCAA"s.Probably a wildcard at best.
285: Smitty:Sometimes you just want too walk out on the mat and say "Billy,get that I'm scared of anyone above a top 10 ranking face off".Like everyone else has said,he has definitely regressed.He should have not lost too Larson and Stoll.The kid from Maryland,who he pounded twice,rode Stoll like a Mule going too Cinco DeMayo.Billy is his worst enemy.He has the size,strength,and technique too high AA,but for some reason shuts down.Could be it be a family issue,burn out,or whatever? If Smitty doesn't resolve this internal conflict quick,the rest of his life will be filled with regret.He will definitely qualify for NCAA's.What he does from there,is up too him.If he wrestles tough,and smart..no question he AA's.If he comes like he did against Dhesi( who didn't even place and was beat by the Maryland kid...???)it's gonna be a quick tournament for Billy.I'm thinking round of 12 at best.
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I'm jumping on the Buck bandwagon after this weekend. Loved the grit he showed. He is consistently in the match with top 10 guys, and he will get over that hurdle before (and during) March.
Hope for some quick recoveries and move on. Great showing from the team.
Hope for some quick recoveries and move on. Great showing from the team.
I am just very impressed with all of our wrestlers! Top to bottom! It really shows that our kids are no scumbags, yet wrestles their hearts out. I know I tend to get frustrated with some wrestlers, but frankly, our coaching staff recruited some fine young men to our program who are representing Rutgers the right way. Good job to the team!
133 Giraldo: The kid is a stud.Him beating Hall was pure icing on the cake.For what Hall did too Goodale and staff,Giraldo justified it with his upset. I feel he is very consistent.More than most of our guys.His upside it limitless.He does need to keep the pace going all the way too the end.I kind of feel he looses it somewhere btw the end of the 2nd and the end of the 3rd periods.That's just maturity.He has definitely proved himself as a Blue Chip recruit.I'd put the house on it that he low AA's this year.I think he has all the potential too be 2x,3x AA,when his career is all said and done.
RUCreedo, excellent write up on all the weights and while I agree with you on Giraldo being a blue chip recruit and he is a stud, but I hope you have a SMALL house if you are that confident he will AA this year. Beating Hall was a nice win, but remember Hall was an All American at 125 two years ago, he is a little over rated due to being a past AA. 133 is a different animal, in the latest Flo Rankings(which IMHO are by far the best), Giraldo is not in the top 20. Would it shock me if he AA'd this year, no, but if I had to bet I don't see it this season.
RUCreedo, excellent write up on all the weights and while I agree with you on Giraldo being a blue chip recruit and he is a stud, but I hope you have a SMALL house if you are that confident he will AA this year. Beating Hall was a nice win, but remember Hall was an All American at 125 two years ago, he is a little over rated due to being a past AA. 133 is a different animal, in the latest Flo Rankings(which IMHO are by far the best), Giraldo is not in the top 20. Would it shock me if he AA'd this year, no, but if I had to bet I don't see it this season.
Totally agree.Our kids are coached well,and respected.It always baffles me that a stellar Iowa program,consistently has punks like Gilman,Brooks and Stoll.That act that Stoll did too that Maryland kid was classless.He forgot that he was getting ridden for almost 5 minutes.Brands was an incredible wrestler,but his behavior is questionable
Is the schedule for the Midlands event actually more compressed and thus requiring more matches per day than the NCAA tournament? It really makes you wonder if the cream rises to the top in such situations. I guess I would need to look more closely in each weight class to see how well the pre tournament seeding held up.
ScarletGrapfan,my house is medium sized,like most working class shnooks..lol.In all seriousness,you may very well be right about Giraldo. Vegas odds would agree with you too.I just see something in that kid that says he's gonna pull out a serious upset.We never thought Perrotti would punch through,but he did.The kid I want to see get that AA nod more than anyone is Smitty.Great kid,super smart,somewhat humble,and has really put his due's in.That last thing I want is punk like Stoll or Dhesi to get an AA nod( which most likely will be the case).For right now,I'm just in awe of how hard these kids made us fans proud
Rufeelinit-yes it is more compressed than the NCAA tournament-2 day vs 3 day tournament. NCAA has 333 wrestlers vs. Midlands at 370(this year). So a couple more per bracket.
Lol, yea like I said it would not shock me. Agree with you about Smith. When Smith first came to RU I came on this board and said that Smitty would be Goodale's first All American. No doubt he has the size, skill and atmosphere in the room to AA. All comes down to what is in his head come March. Hope he does it.
just about everyone does either the Scuffle, Midlands or Cliff Keen Las Vegas. Mizzou, Ohio St and VTech are the only top 25 teams not at either Scuff or Mids and they were all at CKLV. Some teams also double up as CKLV is early December.
for some reason, Penn St and Iowa fans have made the Scuffle v Midlands some sort of rivalry, with each fan base trying to claim that one is much tougher than the other. I think they are pretty equal and am glad the both exist. the holidays are better with 2 premier tournaments and some teams see each other enough as is and benefit from the option.
Abro..did you see that match with the Maryland kid? The kid was dominating Stoll,but hurt his shoulder and Stoll pinned him,got up and started yelling at him and continued too taunt him after the match. Dhesi,when finishing his shots always pushes wrestler from behind,like "get hell out of my way".There is no need for that.
