MIDLANDS - DAY 2
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RUCreedo, you and some of our regular posters know a lot more about wrestling than I do, but it seems to me that this sort of classless stuff has been Iowa's modus operandi for awhile now and they simply don't care what anybody else thinks.
I saw parts of that match, I thought it was a close match maybe I'm wrong, I was going back and forth between 3 bouts and missed most of the end when Stoll pinned him, I clicked back on just after the pin and saw the jawing, and didn't know what caused it. I didn't see anything bad from Stoll in his 2 matches against Smith.
I'll try to find a replay on btn2go and take a look.
Definitely take a look and you'll see what I mean.I think Iowa gets this way when they are loosing.Saw that with Gravina when he had Brooks stapled too the mat.I think this is just the "Iowa Way",They,like another poster said, are pretty classless in defeat and in winning.That match btw Stoll and that Maryland kid was not close.That kid over 4 minutes of riding time,and was up by at least 4 to 5 points on Stoll.Ironically,Stoll has become Smiths Achilles Heel,was getting pounded by the Maryland kid,and Smith crunches the kid twice..go figure.Smith needs too use that as fuel.That Maryland kid beat Dhesi too..I think.
Creedo, you are right. I asked the same question on the Iowa board before you responded and got a confirmation:
'Stoll went to turn Peck earlier and literally put all of his massive weight on one of his shoulder. Injury time but Peck kept going.
Than Peck pretty much fell over from their feet and Stoll fell on top for the pin and got up and stood over him like it was all him.
Than it got chippy. Saw a flash run towards Stoll, imagine that was Brands'
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'Not real sure, but big Sammy was being had to that point and he rag-dolled Peck from his feet and stuck him, then stood over him and was chirping some it appeared (not a good thing IMO). Peck had an earlier stoppage when he tapped out and was having some shoulder issues when Stoll was trying to work him over."
another iowa poster :
I like our guys to have an edge to them, but our two Sammy's need a little bit of sportmanship tweaking IMO.'
'Stoll went to turn Peck earlier and literally put all of his massive weight on one of his shoulder. Injury time but Peck kept going.
Than Peck pretty much fell over from their feet and Stoll fell on top for the pin and got up and stood over him like it was all him.
Than it got chippy. Saw a flash run towards Stoll, imagine that was Brands'
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'Not real sure, but big Sammy was being had to that point and he rag-dolled Peck from his feet and stuck him, then stood over him and was chirping some it appeared (not a good thing IMO). Peck had an earlier stoppage when he tapped out and was having some shoulder issues when Stoll was trying to work him over."
another iowa poster :
I like our guys to have an edge to them, but our two Sammy's need a little bit of sportmanship tweaking IMO.'
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I wouldn't say Stoll rag dolled him.Peck pretty much said "man,my shoulder is killing,I think I'm gonna go sunbathing for the last 20 seconds..oh wait..I'm in a wrestling match and there is this mammoth over me..well,it's too late".Peck pretty much laughed when he got pinned,and obviously was taunting Stoll,more a long the lines of saying "I handed that too you,Merry XMas and Happy New Year".Apparently this kid beat Dhesi too.That kid weighed maybe 205 lbs,with a cement bag on his back.Smitty weighs 250lbs,maybe more and pounded Peck,and Dhesi embarrassed Billy.It's in his head.Billy needs too get over that hump,and he is heck of a nice kid,and I hate bagging on him,but truth be told,he is not wrestling anywhere near his potential.
just rewatched the Stoll v Peck match on btn. It's not that bad. Stoll's behavior after the pin is lame but it's being overblown, as typically anything involving iowa (or penn state) is.
Stoll's chicken wing may have been a Potentially Dangerous and I am not a rules expert but it looked legal to me. really what it looked like was Peck gassed and Stoll started cranking on the arms and shoulders and, as often happens with heavyweights, joints gave out before any scoring took place.
Stoll's chicken wing may have been a Potentially Dangerous and I am not a rules expert but it looked legal to me. really what it looked like was Peck gassed and Stoll started cranking on the arms and shoulders and, as often happens with heavyweights, joints gave out before any scoring took place.
Cabbage..agreed.I met Brands dad at the NCAA tournament,back in my wrestling days( not going to go into where and who I wrestled for) and his dad seemed like a very tense,angry dude.I mean,I'm not afraid of many people and that guy is scary.His whole presence makes you feel uneasy.I can see why those two a re couple quarts low in the diesel engine.
Jaroslav,it isn't so much that Stoll reacted so badly,it's the fact that the kid was at least 50 lbs less than him,who isn't ranked( I think) was tossing him around and riding him relentlessly. Stoll scored nothing in that match,and pretty much acted like this was some "revenge match" standing over Peck.The thing that made it so funny, was Peck laughing on the mat after he got pinned and basically said "I handed that too you".It was Stoll and Angry Boy Brands throwing F-bombs that was classless.Would've loved if McCoy would've backhanded Brands into the bleechers.
RUCreedo, you're the poster that was here last year or year before who got some here worked up, ! lol,now I remember you. I forget your other name, Bag of rocks or something? lol, I always enjoyed your posts , you are a riot , even if you ruffle feathers.
PS- there was no or little audio on the btn2go cameras, so how could you hear Brands throw F bombs?
Were you there?
PS- there was no or little audio on the btn2go cameras, so how could you hear Brands throw F bombs?
Were you there?
Bag of Rocks??? That was funny.I've been called alot worse,but bag of rocks made me laugh.Wow,there is another poster out there,that gets my humor and talks like me.I have too tell my wife that,might give her closure.Sorry( and this is no cheap ploy,because alot of people change their names on boards),but I only posted for about a week on the football boards,and couldn't take the optimism over there about that crap program.I don't know why started there first,because I am wrestler,but the drama on the wrestling board sounded like the mat.com posters of old.Now themat.com is the exact opposite.You even say the word "damn" or "hell" and that Jason Bryant bans you.Ironically,he is suppose too be some wrestling expert,with no real experience..another armchair guru I guess.It's good too be over here with a great crowd of wrestling enthusiasts.
Guys. I know Terry Brands, the Assistant from spending several days with him at the Albany NCAAs in 2001? He is intense as hell but is a nice guy. He was just named Head Coach of Tenn-Chattanooga while at Albany.We had a good time together and he lost his wallet at the event. I told him I would give him whatever he needed but he said the college was sending a plane to get him. I saw him at last year's Iowa match and we chatted before the match for about 5 minutes and laughed quite a bit together. He was very concerned about us giving them a real battle even though it did not turn out that way. He is a good guy but they are so intense and consumed by Iowa wrestling that they are perceived as d-bags. I am sure the Iowa pressure has something to do with that. Just a little tidbit for you all.
Bill,with all due respect,because you are definitely the voice of this program,and a man of respect( with obrats a close second) the Brands are d-bags.Great wrestler,intense coaches,and legends,but they teach their athletes too win at all expenses,even if it means intentionally hurting other wrestlers.Gillman talks like he's some 12th century William Wallace wannabe,You got Brooks power snotting on his opponents,and Sam Stoll doing the tubby guy waltz shoving his opponent out of bounds,hopefully to get a stalling call,because his offense is less productive than the Tennessee Titans.I'm sorry,but that's not good sportsmanship.Yes,at this level you have too be intense,but don't act like a thug doing it.
I agree they teach them intimidation and go over the line and their kids follow that fanatical way. I hate that but personally away from that I like Terry. Not so much TOM.
Agreed.It is definitely the Iowa culture.From what I heard,the Brands father was a violent alcoholic.You kinda can't blame them for being giant a-holes.The Iowa partisan also say that the Brand Brothers connection is not as close as it seems.Terry might share the sentiments, that his brother is a bully d-bag.This head coaching job is a good move for him and might actually hurt the team.Morningstar,with all due respect,is just a mouth like Zadick,they don't have the temperament too be in a head coaching position.I think secretly Terry wants too get away from Tom.Just my two cents.
brands are terrible examples for future life. Recusing RU, I would send kids to Minnesota or Ohio State first. Terry's wife went absolutely psycho on people behind her asking for her to sit down during nationals when Ramos was wrestling in semifinals. She ignore everyone for a full period, then at break went apeshit ballistic with curses (F & S bombs) to everyone behind her. How dare they ask royalty to sit down and stop blocking the view!!! Just bad guys teaching bad lessons.
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A crazy fact...again, recusing RU, Tom Ryan is my favorite coach. I think he teaches amazing life lessons and stewards his kids and program with the utmost of class. His college roommate at Iowa...Terry Brands!
Frankly, the Brands regime at Iowa knocks Gable legacy down a 1/4 notch to me. I think he should tell those guys to knock off the bad lessons. It is not the program he built. He should stop showing up at matches unless he condones this, which then supports my 1/4 notch comment.
Frankly, the Brands regime at Iowa knocks Gable legacy down a 1/4 notch to me. I think he should tell those guys to knock off the bad lessons. It is not the program he built. He should stop showing up at matches unless he condones this, which then supports my 1/4 notch comment.
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Guessing you meant Tom Ryan. I know first hand that he's all class & a great person & coach.
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Welcome creedo. I think Ash will be a Top 5 seed come March and I rather him be doing the chasing then being the top seed and everyone trying to knock him off. Giraldo I see very similar to Ash last year. If he can get a decent seed he can find himself in Qrts and just need 1 more win to get on podium. McCabe will need a lot of crazy to happen for him to AA. But he has come a long way and is a solid start to the lineup.
Agreed josh.I think there are alot of similarities with Goodale and Ryan.Both are very intense coaches,both have great ethics,and both really tell it like it is.They always point out the flaws first of their programs and where they need too get better.They also never talk about themselves,it's always about the wrestlers,and that's a huge draw for blue chip recruits.Parents who have in state athletes,can rest assure that their children will be guided and not get distracted with the "home field" advantage,where the out of state parent can sit easy knowing that their kids are in good hands.
By the way Ohio State decided they want to take another run at National Champs. Pulling Snyder off of Olympic Redshirt, the assumption is that he will go 285. Also a few days ago they announced that Myles Martin was also coming out of redshirt.
Edited to welcome RUCreedo to the message board.
Edited to welcome RUCreedo to the message board.
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Gravina (not Giraldo) is probably the one we are most concerned about, waiting for him to see his doctor, think we are looking at a few weeks on him (this is my opinion I have no inside info).
And again my opinion, Perrotti should be healed (8 stitches above his eye) and I would imagine wrestle against Michigan State.
I have no idea what is up with Hrymack, I hope just dinged up and better to keep him out of the last match since we only have a true freshman (redshirting) backup.
Adding Kyle Snyder to the heavyweight mix puts further pressure on Smith, who is right on the bubble. As for this tournament, next year should be even more interesting. I hope we go back. Happy New Year to you all. $$$$
Obrats,initially I heard Gravina's shoulder popped out and it was successfully popped back in.Is there more too the injury than we know? We can't afford too loose a kid like this.With Grello,Mulligan and Correnti coming,and possibly red shirting at least two of them,we have a solid chance of solidifying our upper weights over the next two season.I would think Scott would not take a chance on him getting really hurt if the injury is minor.Would probably rest him for quite some time and have Pafumi take over.If the injury is serious,then Nick,his family and the staff have too serious look at his future.Perrotti is lucky that cut is in the area it's in.Unfortunately,stitches are not good,but if your going too get them,the over the eyebrow area is the best place ( take it from me,I know).I might sound out of line here,but sometimes minor injuries and these meat grinder tournaments will make these kids so much better.I personally think the midlands is a harder tournament physically than the NCAA's.Mentally the NCAA tournament just wears you down.Unfortunately wrestling is 90% mental and 10% physical.
Dollarbill,I think style wise,Smith matches up great against Snyder.Smitty always does well against lighter,more athletic heavyweights.
That got me a little. He does wrestle better against smaller guys just knowing he is a world champ should do it for him. I say he gets majored.
Looks like we will be testing our depth for Michigan State. Pafumi for Gravina at 184. Pagano for Perrotti if necessary at 165. Not sure who goes for Hayden at 197.
