OT: 1st oil change on a new car
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As said above, do refer to the owners manual or the dealership as to the timeframe/mileage of when to do the first oil change. Also find out (if you don't know already) if your car is using regular ol' dino oil or synthetic. Most likely it's the former, but it does impact the frequency of oil changes. The tolerances on today's cars are so much tighter than in the past, and the filtration system so much better, that the 500/1000 mile oil change is really not necessary.
the logic for the first oil change still applies - the reason for it is that any metal filings from machining/building the engine will be expunge with the oil change. The dealers will tell you otherwise - no harm in doing an early ooil change.
Bought a Subaru BRZ last year. First oil change was at 3K. Uses synthetic.
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Every manufacturer varies thats why they include a manual
For honda their break in additive is molybdenum sulfide that is an anti friction additive. they require it during the break in period of the engine. They are very strict in the manual about NOT changing the oil for thr first 5000 miles. are there metal fillings in new engines? Yes but its different i modern engines and they are small enough for the filter.
its up to you who you want to follow.
The "evil" engineers that know their product or people on thia board.
I totally agree that you need to get the correct answer from both the manual and somebody from the car's maintenance department. I would not take any salesmen's answer.
I did not know that there was a special oil developed for new engines until I took delivery of my new lawn tractor. I was specifically told to make sure I got it out after the break in stage which is measured in hours of operation in this case. My understanding was that it was lighter than normal and would make the break easier on the motor but break down faster.
I have no knowledge on what car manufacturers use, but I always got the original oil out early and then after 5,000 miles after that based on what Consumers Reports found in tests. Synthetics are different from regular oil,
I did not know that there was a special oil developed for new engines until I took delivery of my new lawn tractor. I was specifically told to make sure I got it out after the break in stage which is measured in hours of operation in this case. My understanding was that it was lighter than normal and would make the break easier on the motor but break down faster.
I have no knowledge on what car manufacturers use, but I always got the original oil out early and then after 5,000 miles after that based on what Consumers Reports found in tests. Synthetics are different from regular oil,
This. The reason why they say don't change it early is so you don't waste oil and so your car will break down sooner giving them work. I would change it at 1000 miles. Also don't race it and drive at varying speeds for the first 1000 miles. If you change the oil yourself you will see that the oil has a dark sort of silvery look to it.
If you love your car, always use the OEM oil filter. It will be a few bucks more but will work better. The frams and other filters may not filter adequately.
seems like some of the "experts" still adhere to the old rule......
Tom Torbjornsen | HighGearMedia.com
The only caveat comes with that first oil change. Make sure you change your new car's oil and filter for the first time at 1500 miles unless otherwise recommended by the manufacturer. The reason? Metal has worn off while mating surfaces were established, and those metal scraps need to be removed from the engine before they cause long-term damage.
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Tom Torbjornsen | HighGearMedia.com
The only caveat comes with that first oil change. Make sure you change your new car's oil and filter for the first time at 1500 miles unless otherwise recommended by the manufacturer. The reason? Metal has worn off while mating surfaces were established, and those metal scraps need to be removed from the engine before they cause long-term damage.
Washington Post
Follow the owners manual advice as to when to do the first oil change. And when you do change the oil make sure it is the correct viscosity as stated in the manual. If it calls for 5W-30 then don't put in 10W-30 or 40 etc. And every good mechanic will tell you to use synthetic oil like Mobil One. It's well worth the money and cost wise is the same as changing every 3-5,000 Mikes as people usually change synthetic oil at 8-10,000 with around 8k being best. And again be sure to use the recommended viscosity.
Yup, I'm definitely gonna listen to some guy with a radio show. There is no way in hell some idiot metallurgy engineer who helped designed the thing has any idea what he's talking about.
yikes.
Make sure you don't mix Pop-Rocks and Coca Cola either. Could be deadly!
It's on the internet so it must be true.
Dude , just follow the manual. Or call the service depth of your dealer.
whatever you do, don't go by the stickers at the lube place. They always put the next visit at 3,000 miles in order to get more business. Their thinking is changing the oil too much can't hurt the vehicle. While correct, it will cost you a lot more money if you change at 3,000 miles while the vehicle can go 5,000 or 10,000 miles between changes.
It depends on whether you are getting conventional or synthetic. Conventional oil should be changed every 3k. Synthetic oil can run longer, but if you aren't paying up for synthetic oil, recommendations of 10k between oil changes do not apply. That's why you need to pay attention to the manual to see what type of oil the engine calls for.
If that's what it says, stick with it. I would run it by your dealership mechanics, though, just to find out if they agree with it.
Also, after your first oil change, the current rule of thumb is oil changes every 6000 miles (not 3000 - that's from the 1950's and 1960's) if you're running dino oil, and every 10K if you're running synthetic.
Do what the manual says, granted a little earlier won't hurt you. If the manual says 5000 and you want to bring it at 4000, clearly that's not a bad thing. The old 3000 rule is largely out the window at this point even on conventional motor oil. I drive an '06 Honda Civic and they recommend a 5000 mile interval between changes using conventional motor oil. I typically go in every 3500 to 4000 (or when the oil life gauge says its below 40%, which with all the salt on the roads will come faster) and every time they remark at how the engine is in amazing shape. Bottom line: Do what feels right, but 1000 miles is likely too soon for a first oil change on a modern vehicle.
I wonder if the people here that advise going against the "evil" and "greedy" car manfacturers and thier a manual...
Are the same people that wont give their children the measles vaccination.
I cant believe people actually have to argue for following the manual.
Are the same people that wont give their children the measles vaccination.
I cant believe people actually have to argue for following the manual.
All cars are different. It doesn't hurt to change early if you want if your car doesn't use break in oil. See number 5 in attached:
5. When you buy a new car, change your oil at 3,000 miles to remove metal particles from the engine break-in process. There might be a grain of truth to this, according to the experts at Blackstone. Oil samples from engines during the first 3,000 miles of driving show elevated "wear-in" metal levels, coming from the pistons and camshafts, says Ryan Stark, Blackstone's president. But he added, "To me, it doesn't make that much difference because if the filings are big enough to cause damage, they will be taken out by the oil filter."
However, a Honda spokesman says its cars come from the factory with a special oil formulation for the break-in period. Honda advises owners to not change the oil early. Stark said Blackstone Laboratories' test of Honda's break-in oil shows it contains molybdenum-disulfide, an anti-wear additive. But Stark said Honda is the only manufacturer he knows that's using special break-in oil. The take-away? If there are any special break-in recommendations from the manufacturer, follow them. And consider analyzing the oil at 3,000 miles.
http://www.edmunds.com/car-care/top-7-urban-legends-about-motor-oil.html
5. When you buy a new car, change your oil at 3,000 miles to remove metal particles from the engine break-in process. There might be a grain of truth to this, according to the experts at Blackstone. Oil samples from engines during the first 3,000 miles of driving show elevated "wear-in" metal levels, coming from the pistons and camshafts, says Ryan Stark, Blackstone's president. But he added, "To me, it doesn't make that much difference because if the filings are big enough to cause damage, they will be taken out by the oil filter."
However, a Honda spokesman says its cars come from the factory with a special oil formulation for the break-in period. Honda advises owners to not change the oil early. Stark said Blackstone Laboratories' test of Honda's break-in oil shows it contains molybdenum-disulfide, an anti-wear additive. But Stark said Honda is the only manufacturer he knows that's using special break-in oil. The take-away? If there are any special break-in recommendations from the manufacturer, follow them. And consider analyzing the oil at 3,000 miles.
http://www.edmunds.com/car-care/top-7-urban-legends-about-motor-oil.html
