OT: Coming to a beach near you in NJ and NY

[mildone]

Yep, you for sure. I was thinking you, me and basically nobody else.

My closest whale encounters have always (knock knock) been light winds, calm seas, perfect vis and whales on the beam. I've had 3 of them that have gone exactly that way.

What do you think of the Orca thing?

It’s unsettling, the Orca thing. Seems people think it’s them being playful. But I’m not so sure about that. If they start attacking paddle boarders or similar, then maybe they are starting to see us as food. Which would imply some kind of fundamental change in the ocean, I would think.

 

[mildone]

It has belatedly occurred to me that we have the makings of a pretty good test to see if the Orcas are playing around or just hungry. We can actually kill two birds with one stone here.

We have some folks right here in the thread who’ve very recently declared their great love for whales, right? We’re a bit skeptical of their professed affection for said mammals. So we take them out on a fishing boat, near where the boat-attacking Orcas live.

Then we toss them overboard when the whales come to attack our rudder. I figure, if they swim to the whales, they really do love them and we’re wrong to be skeptical. But if they try to swim away from the whales, then we know we were right to be so skeptical.

Meanwhile, if the whales attack those we tossed overboard, and eat them, before they drown I mean, then we know the whales ain’t just being playful. Of course, if the whales ignore them and they drown, then I‘d have to admit I was wrong to be suspicious of the whales.

I’d probably feel pretty bad about that. But we’d know.

 

[RU4Real]

It has belatedly occurred to me that we have the makings of a pretty good test to see if the Orcas are playing around or just hungry. We can actually kill two birds with one stone here.

We have some folks right here in the thread who’ve very recently declared their great love for whales, right? We’re a bit skeptical of their professed affection for said mammals. So we take them out on a fishing boat, near where the boat-attacking Orcas live.

Then we toss them overboard when the whales come to attack our rudder. I figure, if they swim to the whales, they really do love them and we’re wrong to be skeptical. But if they try to swim away from the whales, then we know we were right to be so skeptical.

Meanwhile, if the whales attack those we tossed overboard, and eat them, before they drown I mean, then we know the whales ain’t just being playful. Of course, if the whales ignore them and they drown, then I‘d have to admit I was wrong to be suspicious of the whales.

I’d probably feel pretty bad about that. But we’d know.

I don't think it gets any more Science than this.

My own opinion is that sailboats are, in terms of their general profile, not all that dissimilar from the small fishing boats common in the Med. I think the Orcas are at war with the fishermen and the sailing yachts are just collateral damage.

If I were in that situation, thought, I think I'd real quick snatch my wind generator off its mount and dip it in the water.

And so we will have come full circle.

 

[e5fdny]

It was a terrible movie.

 

[RU848789]

It’s unsettling, the Orca thing. Seems people think it’s them being playful. But I’m not so sure about that. If they start attacking paddle boarders or similar, then maybe they are starting to see us as food. Which would imply some kind of fundamental change in the ocean, I would think.

If I had better computer skills, I'd figure out a way to show a bunch of orcas in orca "t-shirts" with "Whale Lives Matter" emblazoned on them. Maybe we were all wrong in worrying about the apes taking over the planet and should be worrying about the whales.

 

[RU848789]

Me.

Speaking of whales, we almost hit a whale one time, actually, during a race. Low winds, so only maybe making 4-5 knots at the time.

Guy on the helm says "whoa, look forward". We look and there are some very large whales swimming like 30 yards or so away, perpendicular to us, crossing our bow, spread out in a line, more or less, from left to right. Kind of cool. Then one surfaces directly in front of us, maybe 10 yards ahead or so, spouts a bunch of water then goes right back under again.

I was sleepy, so it didn't really register much at first. But the guy on the helm, the boat owners son who'd been sailing since before he could walk (the family lived 3 houses down from @RU848789), pointed out that if we'd hit the whale, it would've sunk us, even at 4-5 knots.

I can't which race it was. But we were way the hell offshore at the time with no other boats anywhere on the horizon. We had the life raft and epirb and all. But yeah, hitting the whale would've ruined our day. Probably not done the whale a lot of good, either.

Thank goodness we didn't have any of those evil wind-turbines around at the time. Then we all would've been goners for sure, whales and crew.

More good reasons to never be in water over one's head, lol. Wait until the orcas in Spain teach this behavior to orcas worldwide - maybe they already have by sonar, like Aquaman.

 

[mildone]

If I had better computer skills, I'd figure out a way to show a bunch of orcas in orca "t-shirts" with "Whale Lives Matter" emblazoned on them. Maybe we were all wrong in worrying about the apes taking over the planet and should be worrying about the whales.

WLM 🤣

And we can start accusing the wind turbine haters of suffering from WTDS.

 

[RU4Real]

If I had better computer skills, I'd figure out a way to show a bunch of orcas in orca "t-shirts" with "Whale Lives Matter" emblazoned on them. Maybe we were all wrong in worrying about the apes taking over the planet and should be worrying about the whales.

Please don't.

I don't want to revisit one of the biggest Twitter battles in recent memory.

The UberLibBernieBros got wind of what was happening and in many of the early coverage the boats were described - more or less accurately - as "sailing yachts".

Trying to tell these idiots that the "sailing yachts" in question are ~40' long, most of them are a couple decades old, cost less than 50k and their owners aren't "rich" is just pissin' into the wind. Their talk track became "The whales are getting back at all these rich bastards!"

 

[e5fdny]

If I had better computer skills, I'd figure out a way to show a bunch of orcas in orca "t-shirts" with "Whale Lives Matter" emblazoned on them. Maybe we were all wrong in worrying about the apes taking over the planet and should be worrying about the whales.

Now THAT was good movie. Whole series actually.

 

[mildone]

Please don't.

I don't want to revisit one of the biggest Twitter battles in recent memory.

The UberLibBernieBros got wind of what was happening and in many of the early coverage the boats were described - more or less accurately - as "sailing yachts".

Trying to tell these idiots that the "sailing yachts" in question are ~40' long, most of them are a couple decades old, cost less than 50k and their owners aren't "rich" is just pissin' into the wind. Their talk track became "The whales are getting back at all these rich bastards!"

Facts don’t matter anymore. Just the narrative du jour. True for far too many on both sides.

 

[RUfinally2008]

Saving the planet. Pompous replys in 3-2-1 😁

 

[e5fdny]

Saving the planet. Pompous replys in 3-2-1 😁

“But you won’t be able to see ours so…”

 

[mildone]

Saving the planet. Pompous replys in 3-2-1 😁

Recovery continues 9 years after Deepwater Horizon disaster

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[mildone]

 

[mildone]

 

[mildone]

 

[mildone]

 

[e5fdny]

Recovery continues 9 years after Deepwater Horizon disaster

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And your point?

I think many of us would prefer not to see or deal with off shore oil rigs too. And understand the problems they present. Ask Elaine Benes as I’m sure she would agree.

But as Willy Sutton said, that’s where the money is.

The wind “bank” is just about everywhere.

 

[mildone]

And your point?

I think many of us would prefer not to see or deal with off shore oil rigs too. And understand the problems they present. Ask Elaine Benes as I’m sure she would agree.

But as Willy Sutton said, that’s where the money is.

The wind “bank” is just about everywhere.

I think my point was pretty obvious. It was a response to what was posted just before my posts. And, actually, I don't really have a big problem with offshore oil rigs - that definitely wasn't part of my point.

But it's an obvious fact that wind power has an extremely long way to go before it comes close to catching up to all the negative environmental impacts caused by oil and gas and other energy sources. I'm not ideologically opposed to either thing, but it's totally moronic to post an image of a problem w/a wind-turbine and call that some kind of valid reason not to pursue wind power.

I'm curious why you'd ask what my point was and NOT ask the guy to whom I was obviously responding what his point was? Asking that question would have provided the answer to your question to me.

BTW, I don't know what a "wind bank" is. I also have no idea who Elaine Benes is or why should I care about her agreement on anything.

 

[e5fdny]

I think my point was pretty obvious. It was a response to what was posted just before my posts. And, actually, I don't really have a big problem with offshore oil rigs - that definitely wasn't part of my point.

But it's an obvious fact that wind power has an extremely long way to go before it comes close to catching up to all the negative environmental impacts caused by oil and gas and other energy sources. I'm not ideologically opposed to either thing, but it's totally moronic to post an image of a problem w/a wind-turbine and call that some kind of valid reason not to pursue wind power.

I'm curious why you'd ask what my point was and NOT ask the guy to whom I was obviously responding what his point was? Asking that question would have provided the answer to your question to me.

BTW, I don't know what a "wind bank" is. I also have no idea who Elaine Benes is or why should I care about her agreement on anything.

The wind is everywhere. Oil is not. Hence the bank comment.

Julia Louis Dreyfus gets to see oil rigs everyday from her Cali beach house. I’m sure she doesn’t like it either.

And you’re right wind (and other renewables) has a long way to provide the power the fossil fuel industry does. I like many others in the thread hope it gets there sooner than later.

Also like others in the thread have said, I think it’s dumb to try and shut down or even phase out an industry until the replacement is ready to actually replace it instead of being at most a compliment at this point.

Like the little girl says on the taco Tuesday commercial, why can’t we do both?

 

[RUfinally2008]

I think my point was pretty obvious. It was a response to what was posted just before my posts. And, actually, I don't really have a big problem with offshore oil rigs - that definitely wasn't part of my point.

But it's an obvious fact that wind power has an extremely long way to go before it comes close to catching up to all the negative environmental impacts caused by oil and gas and other energy sources. I'm not ideologically opposed to either thing, but it's totally moronic to post an image of a problem w/a wind-turbine and call that some kind of valid reason not to pursue wind power.

I'm curious why you'd ask what my point was and NOT ask the guy to whom I was obviously responding what his point was? Asking that question would have provided the answer to your question to me.

BTW, I don't know what a "wind bank" is. I also have no idea who Elaine Benes is or why should I care about her agreement on anything.

My point is wind turbines aren't worth the risk they present on several levels you'd only shoot down. If I told you we should invest in nuclear your pompous answer would be to present a link to Three Mile Island, lol.

 

[RUBlackout7]

What is the risk of windmills? 😂

 

[mildone]

The wind is everywhere. Oil is not. Hence the bank comment.

Julia Louis Dreyfus gets to see oil rigs everyday from her Cali beach house. I’m sure she doesn’t like it either.

And you’re right wind (and other renewables) has a long way to provide the power the fossil fuel industry does. I like many others in the thread hope it gets there sooner than later.

Also like others in the thread have said, I think it’s dumb to try and shut down or even phase out an industry until the replacement is ready to actually replace it instead of being at most a compliment at this point.

Like the little girl says on the taco Tuesday commercial, why can’t we do both?

Dreyfus‘s opinion on anything is not meaningful to me. I liked her a lot on Seinfeld through.

I’ve never advocated for shutting down any form of energy. My mockery is for the meatheads who are force-fed anti-wind propaganda and then, without applying a shred of critical thought to that propaganda, adopt it as truth and repeat it endlessly.

I have no problem for people not wanting it in their backyard. But the meathead mindless sheep bleating about something because they were fed it? Gimme a break.

If there were at least some logic or fact behind it, then fine. But there’s none. The whole argument is, it’s a theory and so it should be investigated. Which is total BS. There is no foundation for the theory, no evidence, nothing but pure fantasy. That’s not worth investigation.

And the hypocritical sudden fake concern for birds and whales is laughable and even more mockable.

 

[mildone]

My point is wind turbines aren't worth the risk they present on several levels you'd only shoot down. If I told you we should invest in nuclear your pompous answer would be to present a link to Three Mile Island, lol.

No, that would not be my response. I’m all for maintaining nuclear power until we’re further along in renewable energy development and deployment. Unlike you, I’m not playing for a side, or choosing a side. The only side I’m on is the science and evidence side. I’m not on any propagandist side no matter what they espouse.

 

[e5fdny]

Dreyfus‘s opinion on anything is not meaningful to me. I liked her a lot on Seinfeld through.

I’ve never advocated for shutting down any form of energy. My mockery is for the meatheads who are force-fed anti-wind propaganda and then, without applying a shred of critical thought to that propaganda, adopt it as truth and repeat it endlessly.

I have no problem for people not wanting it in their backyard. But the meathead mindless sheep bleating about something because they were fed it? Gimme a break.

If there were at least some logic or fact behind it, then fine. But there’s none. The whole argument is, it’s a theory and so it should be investigated. Which is total BS. There is no foundation for the theory, no evidence, nothing but pure fantasy. That’s not worth investigation.

And the hypocritical sudden fake concern for birds and whales is laughable and even more mockable.

Wasn’t touting her opinion on anything. Just pointing out she has them, the oil rigs, off her beachfront property. Saw it on the interview show David Letterman has: “My Next Guest…”

As for the shut down thing, I just decided to add your “thoughts” on the matter for fun. 😛

Try ‘em all as I have been saying. Hope all of the alternative technology catches up so we actually can start to switch.

Have solar now. If residential wind becomes something, I’d try that too.

I’d be even willing to try this if we can get it working…

 

[newell138]

What is the risk of windmills? 😂

TBD

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

What is the risk of windmills? 😂

Google it Trash7

 

[angmo]

Major Offshore Wind Company Takes Huge Losses After Struggling To Get More Biden Bucks |

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That's okay Murphy will give them your money.

 

[angmo]

Germany solved it!

Congratulations To Germany On Achieving More Than 50% Of Its Electricity Production From "Renewables"! — Manhattan Contrarian

On the march to Net Zero carbon emissions from usage of energy, the key first step is to eliminate fossil fuels from the generation of electricity, replacing them with the magical “renewables.” Or so we are told. Once electricity generation is fossil fuel-free, then all energy use can be switched to

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[T2Kplus20]

Trenton getting nervous, talks of delaying the projects as renderings anger shore residents:

LBT Officials Develop New Rendering Showing More Turbine Visibility - The SandPaper

Using a photograph of the Holgate skyline and beach as well as data from the Atlantic Shores Offshore Wind plan, a Maryland-based multimedia company created a three-dimensional model of what wind turbines will look like from the beach, driving home what many say will be the impact of a proposed...

www.thesandpaper.net

 

[Knight Shift]

Trenton getting nervous, talks of delaying the projects as renderings anger shore residents:

LBT Officials Develop New Rendering Showing More Turbine Visibility - The SandPaper

Using a photograph of the Holgate skyline and beach as well as data from the Atlantic Shores Offshore Wind plan, a Maryland-based multimedia company created a three-dimensional model of what wind turbines will look like from the beach, driving home what many say will be the impact of a proposed...

www.thesandpaper.net

Meanwhile, another whale washed up on LBI, and it was euthanized. Experts said it's final words were- "windmills killed me."

Pygmy Sperm Whale Found Stranded On Long Beach Island

The whale was alive when she stranded, but her prognosis was poor and she had to be euthanized, the Marine Mammal Stranding Center said.

patch.com

 

[T2Kplus20]

Meanwhile, another whale washed up on LBI, and it was euthanized. Experts said it's final words were- "windmills killed me."

Pygmy Sperm Whale Found Stranded On Long Beach Island

The whale was alive when she stranded, but her prognosis was poor and she had to be euthanized, the Marine Mammal Stranding Center said.

patch.com

 

[newell138]

Major Offshore Wind Company Takes Huge Losses After Struggling To Get More Biden Bucks |

dailycallernewsfoundation.org

That's okay Murphy will give them your money.

What a surprise…. It’s not economically feasible

Orsted’s troubles and plunging share price are the latest sign that turbulence may await the American offshore wind industry. A Spanish firm building a project off the coast of Massachusetts paid nearly $50 million in fines to walk away from its stake in the project, which it no longer determined to be economically viable as it had when it first became involved

 

[Knight Shift]

What a surprise…. It’s not economically feasible

Orsted’s troubles and plunging share price are the latest sign that turbulence may await the American offshore wind industry. A Spanish firm building a project off the coast of Massachusetts paid nearly $50 million in fines to walk away from its stake in the project, which it no longer determined to be economically viable as it had when it first became involved

Sounds like the Spanish firm shat the bed, will Orsted break wind after people raise a big stink over the project?

 

[newell138]

Sounds like the Spanish firm shat the bed, will Orsted break wind after people raise a big stink over the project?

Like all green energy it’s not feasible unless the government is subsidizing it

 

[RU4Real]

Trenton getting nervous, talks of delaying the projects as renderings anger shore residents:

LBT Officials Develop New Rendering Showing More Turbine Visibility - The SandPaper

Using a photograph of the Holgate skyline and beach as well as data from the Atlantic Shores Offshore Wind plan, a Maryland-based multimedia company created a three-dimensional model of what wind turbines will look like from the beach, driving home what many say will be the impact of a proposed...

www.thesandpaper.net

Except that rendering is total bullshit.

The closest windmill would be 10 miles offshore. There's absolutely no way you would see anything like what's in this image.

 

[newell138]

Except that rendering is total bullshit.

The closest windmill would be 10 miles offshore. There's absolutely no way you would see anything like what's in this image.

Gotta fight fire with fire!

 

[T2Kplus20]

Except that rendering is total bullshit.

The closest windmill would be 10 miles offshore. There's absolutely no way you would see anything like what's in this image.

Don't yell at the messenger. That's a professional organization using professional rendering software.

 

[T2Kplus20]

Gotta fight fire with fire!

Those renderings look accurate to me. Gotta protect the whales! :)

 

[rutgersdave]

My point is wind turbines aren't worth the risk they present on several levels you'd only shoot down. If I told you we should invest in nuclear your pompous answer would be to present a link to Three Mile Island, lol.

Utah cities are sticking with their nuclear power plan after a hefty price jump

The small power systems that are pursuing a project to build nuclear reactors in Idaho are sticking with the plan despite a 53% jump in the price of the project.

www.sltrib.com

The U.S. government has given CFPP its blessing in the form of cash and sign-offs. Clean-energy incentives in the Inflation Reduction Act passed last year, combined with previous commitments, mean the federal government would cover 45% of the $9.3 billion cost.

Hey, they been building nuclear power plants for the last couple of years and Biden kept this project going by contributing 45% of the 9.3 billion dollar cost. The 53% increase in cost was going to derail the project. Some act like we aren’t going with nuclear power already and it’s their idea.