Maybe next year they can divert that $25B on actual citizens and build them new homes
OT: DEVASTATING WILDFIRE ….Santa Monica/Palisades fire being aided by 50-80mph Santa Ana winds. 100mph possible overnight
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Maybe next year they can divert that $25B on actual citizens and build them new homes
Disagree mostly. Preventing wildfires, especially when they're mostly caused by human stupidity or lightning, isn't realistic. And just like flooding from rains or surge, minimizing the impact from wildfires by some prevention activities as well as in- event actions is possible. I don't think they're that different in that way.
The Ashville area in NC was hit hard by Tropical Storm Fred in August 2021, with quite a bit of flooding and some damage. I was there on vacation for it. I was somewhat surprised by their surprised reaction this year. The magnitude was much greater this year but the chances of getting hit again by a tropical storm should have been known.
Actually it is. Proper deforestation, ample supply of resources and proper water planning can all be done.
Los Angeles has done none of that. These winds are entirely predictable. So is the preparedness. Literally none of it happened. Complete failure at the state and local level.
Fires will happen there will be some loss. The scale at which this loss occurred was preventable.
We don't even need to get into Newsom chasing off the insurance companies.
No way? Of course there's a way. It takes political will and resources. How many of billions have we spent on so many useless wars now? How much have we signed away in the name of DEI and immigration? We COULD have everything we need... but that wouldn't be as profitable for whoever it is that really calls the shots in this "democratic republic".
The next leaders of this state will be decidedly different in thinking. The worm has already been turning in LA with the last DA that was fired.
This immense fire has changed everything. If there is any good that come of out of this, it's more responsible and competent leadership which this state and this city have been obviously severely lacking.
Mount Wilson on fire now
Just saw water tanker from previous post
Skid across water to suck up water and flew away towards fire
Just saw water tanker from previous post
Skid across water to suck up water and flew away towards fire
Watch: Eaton Fire flares up near summit of Mount Wilson
The Eaton Fire that started in the foothills northeast of Los Angeles flared up Thursday morning near Mount Wilson.
www.nbclosangeles.com
I seem to recall Gov Jerry Brown wanting to make that happen but there were huge obstacles: topography, the Indians who were the driving force of the Klamath River dam removals, cost, Endangered Species Act (now there's a target!), etc. At one time, California even had their eyes on Columbia River water!
While not near what LA is experiencing and no accompanying fires, I am struck by how consistently strong the winds have been here in Belmar all week.
I am sure firefighters here would have a challenge containing a blaze given how close the homes are combined with the gale force gusts. There is a large flag pole on my neighbors property across the street over looking lake como that has been getting quite a stress test. I keep thinking it may snap.
I have only been here full time for 5-6 years but the number of occasions that we have gale force wind warnings seems to be on the rise.
I am sure firefighters here would have a challenge containing a blaze given how close the homes are combined with the gale force gusts. There is a large flag pole on my neighbors property across the street over looking lake como that has been getting quite a stress test. I keep thinking it may snap.
I have only been here full time for 5-6 years but the number of occasions that we have gale force wind warnings seems to be on the rise.
LA's current fire chief even raised questions about preparedness. Nothing was done.
That's a fact around the world. The question is where are those winds coming from? Here they are typically stagnant in the morning then turn onshore. This is a typical flow of many beaches.
These Santa Ana winds are completely opposite. They head offshore from the desert at a fast and hot rate. Unfortunately, these are the best for surfing.
Yep, there has been major flooding well inland from GA to New England from hurricane/TS remnants countless times and it's only been in the last 30-40 years that forecasts on those events have improved enough to give good warnings to inland communities. Before that that kind of flooding was usually a surprise, like, for example it was with TS Agnes and its eventual remnants in 1972, which oldtimers might remember, as it devastated PA and parts of NJ with flooding and was one of the most expensive and deadliest storms to that time. Similarly, Irene devastated large swaths of inland New England with flooding rains.
Hmm.. maybe there should be a blacklist for who can see your posts... like the ignore list. Nah.. extra alts being created might explode.
When this all shakes out after the fires are out is going to be an interesting watch. Newsom ran off all of the insurance companies because they saw how mismanaged the fire prevention was and wanted to raise rates due to the risk. He said you can't raise rates so they bailed. Hence the Ca. fund. I promise you there is no where near the funds to make these people who have lost homes whole.
My very rough estimate of loss is $100B. That fund isn't even close to what this will take.
Maybe Biden can take some of those hundreds of billons sent to Ukraine and help out citizens.
It’s not political to scrutinize and criticize leaders and how they handle things before , during and after a major event like this.
Not at all, but it goes against the guidance we've all been given on the site from Richie and the mods numerous times (although the formal rules don't prevent political discussion).
Not sure this crazy fire disaster and the criticism of leaders in handling it is under the political guidance of this forum.
Local investigative reporters are now on the hunt and are getting “ It wasn’t my fault “ from “ sources” . Documents expressing concerns coming out as shown in a prior post. KCAL just showed fire board meeting a few weeks ago where member said we are past wants and now are in need of resources.
The people that are in charge are going to be under serious duress. The people here are livid. All people.
The state derives much of it's tax revenue from raping homeowners. It's going to be very interesting to see how the value of these properties are assessed moving forward.
The state derives much of it's tax revenue from raping homeowners. It's going to be very interesting to see how the value of these properties are assessed moving forward.
Wow, you have to be very close to where we have a house (we don't live in it). We have a house on 20th between A St and Surf Ave. Have had it since 1999.
Had friends that had to evacuate. They are back now. The Santa Ana winds have died down so hopefully they can get contain next. Pacific Palasades was burned bad.
That was the other big issue. Forget about the lack of preparedness for the fires. There was absolutely zero planning done around evacuations. Complete free for all.
There is an overwhelmingly distinct feeling here that no one is in charge and those pretending to be have no idea what they are doing.
There is an overwhelmingly distinct feeling here that no one is in charge and those pretending to be have no idea what they are doing.
We know Dennis and Nadine on the northwest corner of 20th and Surf, and their next door neighbor Donna (I think she is still there) on the west side of Surf. We used to spend a lot more time there, and go to the 20th ave beach on Saturdays, but not so much in the last several years. That area is a fantastic place to live, especially since they fixed the outfall pipes in Lake Como post Sandy.
Which is true of CAL FIRE as they do a pretty good job most of the time.
They have a lot of practice and have gotten decent at it.
CAL FIRE came up with the concept of Incident Command (ICS) that just about everyone uses now.
Never trust evac plans.
My county had them made for Indian Point nuke plant. Engineering firm said a 10 mile radius around plant could be evacuated in 6.5 hours. Everyone knew that was crazy. The maps for emergency bus routes even used dead ends. A crash on old Tappan Zee once caused a 12 mile back-up.
I have friends who own a house in Brentwood (S. Burlingame). I see their addy is kind of on border of fire area (near Getty). They bought a house for 3.5 mill in 98 and now it was worth over 10. Be a shame if it got toasted. They have Manhattan place too.
Oscars will be interesting this year
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At Biden’s press conference today he indicated the reason that the fire reservoir tanks couldn’t be refilled because the electrical utilities were shut off and the water pumps had no power.
It’s been normal practice for PG&E and SoCal Edison to shut off power in advance of the Santa Ana winds. This begs the question, why weren’t these pumps on back up power? Seems like a serious design flaw.
It’s been normal practice for PG&E and SoCal Edison to shut off power in advance of the Santa Ana winds. This begs the question, why weren’t these pumps on back up power? Seems like a serious design flaw.
Look who warned Pretty Boy months ago. PS. Had to laugh listening to some Cali talking head saying the soft on crime is over. PEOPLE GETTING CAUGHT LOOTING WILL BE PROSECUTED to the fullest extent of the law. Gone are the days of free $999.00 free shopping. 😁 https://truthsocial.com/@JackPosobiec/posts/113798717429221113
From folks I have been in contact there, the winds were hurricane force level in their particular areas. Have died down now (at least in their areas) and hoping that provides the window to start getting control around fires.
Looks like 20 plus helicopters and several planes now fighting all the different fires.
8-9 or so now teaming up on the west hills fire
8-9 or so now teaming up on the west hills fire
People shouldn’t expect anything better in the aftermath. This was way worse than Hawaii fires and I don’t think that issue is going to be resolved anytime soon
It gets worse. We all got an emergency text saying there was new fire in LA. Ir didn’t say where. Everyone was freaking.
20 minutes later we get another emergency text saying it was a mistake.
Pure incompetence everywhere.
20 minutes later we get another emergency text saying it was a mistake.
Pure incompetence everywhere.
On a day like this, one fire in Ocean Grove could mean there is no more Ocean Grove.
There was a fire in March of 2017 or so where 8 homes were lost to fire on a windy day.
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