The winds kept them grounded on Tuesday, but they flew yesterday morning and afternoon. I don't know what the winds are this morning, but if a local station is asking the question I doubt the winds are as bad as Tuesday.
OT: DEVASTATING WILDFIRE ….Santa Monica/Palisades fire being aided by 50-80mph Santa Ana winds. 100mph possible overnight
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The winds kept them grounded on Tuesday, but they flew yesterday morning and afternoon. I don't know what the winds are this morning, but if a local station is asking the question I doubt the winds are as bad as Tuesday.
Probably not. Need, bigger pipes to the tanks, larger pumps, beefed up generators and electrical feeds to run the pumps., etc. More tanks would help. Bigger tanks may have water quality issues if they are too stagnant.
@RU848789 and @bac2therac should appreciate this but one of the most important people on the IMT for the big ones is the meteorologist.
They say the fire when it gets big enough can make its own weather. Or effect it so much that it becomes a factor.
They say the fire when it gets big enough can make its own weather. Or effect it so much that it becomes a factor.
My inlaw works with a population of multiple disabled adults who were evacuated. Rough night for them. They are also hearing reports of looting in their neighborhood, but not confirmed. They think they can go back today to check it out. Evacuation zones have grown but the place they evacuated to has not been added.
So in your world criticizing the response and the obvious incompetence that is on full display is not allowed.
Some of the considerations presented in a non-political way about the lack of prescribed burns in California. IMO, it's a pick your poison choice-make more air pollution or reduce fire damage risk.
arstechnica.com
www.kqed.org
The indigenous tribes have it right:
www.nature.org
Why isn’t California using more prescribed burns to reduce fire risk?
Controlled burns could help in many places, but progress has been slow.
arstechnica.com
Forest Service Halts Prescribed Burns in California. Is It Worth the Risk? | KQED
Pausing the beneficial burns to keep crews available for wildfires merely delays and exacerbates fire risk to communities, critics say.
The indigenous tribes have it right:
Quiet Fire
After decades of fire suppression, Indigenous tribes are rekindling the ancient practice of controlled burns, restoring forests and cultural traditions.
www.nature.org
All of the following are true:
1-Nothing much was stopping this confluence of catastrophic events.
2-The Sierra Club stopping controlled burns was overall a very bad tradeoff.
3-California has way too much red tape that slowed the construction of approved water storage projects, just like it inhibits the construction of almost everything. We really need relief from the tyranny of endless environmental impact studies and public comment periods.
1-Nothing much was stopping this confluence of catastrophic events.
2-The Sierra Club stopping controlled burns was overall a very bad tradeoff.
3-California has way too much red tape that slowed the construction of approved water storage projects, just like it inhibits the construction of almost everything. We really need relief from the tyranny of endless environmental impact studies and public comment periods.
Drone footage
nypost.com
Horrific drone footage shows unbelievable stretch of charred landscape from LA wildfires
Los Angeles has been ravaged by the out-of-control wildfires that have been burning for days.
nypost.com
There is good smoke and bad smoke. LOLSome of the considerations presented in a non-political way about the lack of prescribed burns in California. IMO, it's a pick your poison choice-make more air pollution or reduce fire damage risk.
Why isn’t California using more prescribed burns to reduce fire risk?
Controlled burns could help in many places, but progress has been slow.
Forest Service Halts Prescribed Burns in California. Is It Worth the Risk? | KQED
Pausing the beneficial burns to keep crews available for wildfires merely delays and exacerbates fire risk to communities, critics say.
The indigenous tribes have it right:
Quiet Fire
After decades of fire suppression, Indigenous tribes are rekindling the ancient practice of controlled burns, restoring forests and cultural traditions.
Compared to exhaust smoke and the kind from contents fires which are mostly or heavily chemically based…I’ll take the smoke from bushes, grasses and trees any day.
Well said.
4. 92% of the fires are man made, primarily through eco terrorism and homelessness.
We use them all the time now during operations.Drone footage
Horrific drone footage shows unbelievable stretch of charred landscape from LA wildfires
Los Angeles has been ravaged by the out-of-control wildfires that have been burning for days.
Very helpful. Brush fire this Fall saw one of ours flying overhead providing much needed information an analysis.
Maybe the drone wouldn’t work with the winds they are experiencing.
always love a good Cook College reference!
the salt just destroys the equipment but I guess if you have no fresh water it makes sense
Have taken wildfire courses and been part of controlled/prescribed burns. As you know South Monmouth is at the northern edge of the Pine Barrens. I remember in the 1980's a wildfire on Wall/Brick border on Parkway that jumped the Parkway median (which used to be a lot wider). As mentioned before, fortunately we don't have the Pine Barrens in the So Cal terrain of mountains and canyons, which makes the efforts for controlled burns and firefighting tremendously more difficult, especially considering the interface with residential homes. In Arizona where we have a home, they are pretty good about reminding residents to keep their yards free of excess "fuel", and they have schedule brush (some call is "slash") pickups to mitigate risk to homes.
Back to controlled/prescribed burns. Substitute "controlled burns" for Napalm:
The salt will also destroy the current & future vegetation & soil. "Salting the earth of your enemies lands"
good point, didn't think of that. I can't tell you how many plants, shrubs and trees i've lost due to flooding from the bay
Desalinated water is usually more expensive than freshwater:
- Cost
A thousand gallons of desalinated water costs between $2.50 and $5, while freshwater costs around $2.
- Energy use
Desalination is energy intensive, with energy costs accounting for about 55% of a plant's total operating and maintenance costs.
House down the street had a beautiful and huge row of privacy arborvitae’s. Sandy came and Lake Como was conduit for the Atlantic. Ruined the trees.
It's human nature, we just want to help. And when brainstorming in a crisis, all ideas need to be voiced.
Before everyone got bunker boots (looks like something you’d wear on a motorcycle), the SOP for a brush fire in NYC was you could wear your regular issued steel toed work shoes because of all the walking and moving around. Less blisters and better for your feet overall.
Can't find the link, but a very effective weed killer is epsom salt diluted in water and mixed with a little bit of Dawn dish detergent (a surfactant that spreads the liquid onto the plants for optimum coverage).
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Germany and Austria are more than half forest and they don't have the constant CA infernos because they know how to prevent these things pretty much. Adam Corolla posted about the jungle of regs people who want to rebuild will face. The LA inferno will be a funeral pyre for certain "elites."
ALL of California does too.
But your point is correct. Sometimes local laws should maybe not supersede but really reflect as what can happen in one place might not happen in another. Or as frequently.
here too on the arborvitaes, had a row in the front yard along my neighbors driveway.... Sandy... all dead
Kind of interesting aside regarding LA's climate type.
Of course it’s a desert. Much of the vegetation is man planting.
Then of course we have incredible leadership like our great governor who’s strategy is to have locals figure it out.
Then of course we have incredible leadership like our great governor who’s strategy is to have locals figure it out.
Are you saying all of Cali has a different climate then Germany and Austria?
Or that Cali being so big, has many different climates within it's borders?
Or something else?
But surely California as a whole has a climate more prone to wild fires then Germany or Austria. Especially when its rain fall is well below normal and winds well above.
It has many different climates. SoCal is much different than NorCal. If Ca. was on the easy coast it would be like 10 different states. North Carolina is much different than Vermont.
Southern California is a desert. Austria and Germany don't get hot dry winds every year out of Death Valley. This was entirely predictable. These winds come every single year. Fires happen every single year.
Yet the state and city leadership did less than nothing to prepare. It's a shocking level of incompetence that is on display for the world to see.
Yeah CA's is nicer and a big reason so many people live there.
Poor water management, poor forestry, slashed critical budgets, crews fired over mandates, millions in equipment sent to Ukraine, suicidal enviro and hiring regs - a toxic brew of incompetence from every angle. The upside of the fire is that the science averse people pushing the crazy took the hardest punch.
LA has an $800mil fire budget. Annual. Cali as a state budgets $4.2bil. Should it be significantly more?
Did previous administrations do more in terms of fire preparedness?
Hotter and drier. Much more prone to fires. Comparing it to Germany or Austria is apples and oranges.
I see what you did there.😉
But Washington has a fire season too as does Minnesota.
It normally goes clockwise. But this seems earlier?
Some heartbreaking before-and-after pictures in this article from the BBC:
BBC >> In maps: Thousands of acres on fire in LA
BBC >> In maps: Thousands of acres on fire in LA
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