Didn the folks at Greystone suggest you stay a while?
OT: March Weather Banter; OG Thread Was: Winter Storm Thursday 2/20: Very Likely Somewhere Between A Non-Event and a Minor Event (oof)
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Gotta be the warmest February 20th on record, no?
Someone should really look into that.
Someone should really look into that.
Keep the thread open long enough and it will eventually snow again. Maybe even on February 20th.
Snark/shaming don't work very well, typically; this is more effective. Just changed the thread title - a few days later than expected, as I've been away for a couple of days with very little social media activity. My wife and I spent a couple of days in OCNJ and then spent today in the Mantua (SNJ near Philly) area with our son and his fiancee and her parents doing a menu/drink tasting for their wedding coming up in September (some seriously great food).
So, back to the weather, that backdoor cold front ended up being stronger than almost anyone expected, as temps never got back to 60F for most of the area (at least north of Philly/SNJ) from Weds through today. OCNJ yesterday was chilly/raw with mist and temps around 50F and today didn't get above the low/mid-50s anywhere in the Philly-NJ-NYC area with some upper 40s along the coast and in NWNJ/NEPA.
Tomorrow should warm up into the 60s, but it's going to be quite windy with gusts to 40 mph all day, followed by some heavy rain (1" or more) from tomorrow late afternoon through early Monday). Next week looks mild for much of the week (highs in the mid-50s to low 60s), but turning much cooler on Friday.
And for those interested, some long range forecasters are calling for major disruptions to the polar vortex, resulting in occasional outbreaks of significantly colder than normal weather (probably alternating with warm spells) for late March into early/mid-April, along with some storminess. Probably too late for snow for our area, but late March/early April snows are not unheard of. More likely some cold rainstorms with some interior/New England snows.
https://www.silive.com/weather/2025...ebv0qOtesG7uzNoJUM_aem_aP0O-29JpzEhvPJhsQq5Sw
I knew someone who grew up down the road a bit from Greystone. A relative was a "guest" there for a short time in the 60's.
I think many of us would like to see some research on the winds this season.
Yes, we know it usually windier this time of year. But it does seem stronger and longer.
And while appreciated, thread title is still too busy. Clean it up a bit. 😉
Exactly. 1 or 2 days in a row isn't unusual but when you hit 3 or more, you notice.
Not even that. It’s the intensity IMO.
You’re closer than any of us to the beach so you’re really feeling it. But it just seems stronger on a more consistent basis.
Maybe I’m wrong but it does feel that way.
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This thread title edit is perfect!
This thread should stay active until next February!
This thread should stay active until next February!
I've actually been wondering whether it's actually been windier than normal the past few months, as it feels like we've had more wind advisories than normal, but haven't found any good data on that yet (but have asked around). FWIW, for NYC, Feb is the windiest month and July is is the least windy, as per the blurb below from Spark (and NYC should be a decent surrogate for our area on this).
Thread title is perfect - @MulletCork said so.
https://weatherspark.com/y/23912/Av...York-United-States-Year-Round#google_vignette
Wind
This section discusses the wide-area hourly average wind vector (speed and direction) at 10 meters above the ground. The wind experienced at any given location is highly dependent on local topography and other factors, and instantaneous wind speed and direction vary more widely than hourly averages.The average hourly wind speed in New York City experiences significant seasonal variation over the course of the year.
The windier part of the year lasts for 6.4 months, from October 14 to April 25, with average wind speeds of more than 8.3 miles per hour. The windiest month of the year in New York City is February, with an average hourly wind speed of 10.2 miles per hour.
The calmer time of year lasts for 5.6 months, from April 25 to October 14. The calmest month of the year in New York City is July, with an average hourly wind speed of 6.4 miles per hour.
Averages for wind stink. They tend to die down overnight but that is calculated in for the entire day. There has been a increasing of winds in the daytime for at least the last 10 years. As a cyclist it's the most important factor where I ride.
It’s 15 pages now (which I’m sure you’re thrilled with 🙂), we know what this one is about.
So the funny haircut guy is wrong. 👎
So, I'm working to find answers to your questions on the wind (which I share) and this is your reply to that effort?
When I was about 10 my family took me to the outside grounds to visit an aunt who was staying there
I seem to remember barbecues , fried chicken, and how nice it looked
Of course I had ho idea
The wind comments yesterday was interesting. I kept seeing wind-cause ski lift suspensions at Hunter and in Vermont. Here in Bergen there was no wind. Sounds like you all had wind down the shore. Very weird. March tends to be a windy month so it's doesn't seem out of the ordinary to me.
The only thing predicable for me with the wind is that is seems to kick up every Thursday night/Friday AM since my recycle pick up is Friday AM. As week was a war zone of bottles and cans in the neighborhood.
The only thing predicable for me with the wind is that is seems to kick up every Thursday night/Friday AM since my recycle pick up is Friday AM. As week was a war zone of bottles and cans in the neighborhood.
Yes, March and April tend to be very windy down here. I believe the thing E5 was saying is the intensity is above normal and more prevalent.
We badly needed the rain. According to the RU station in Sea Girt we got 1.75" here with the strongest storms going well out to sea before hitting NJ. With the ground being so dry a lot will be lost by runoff.
The storm in Bergen seemed like a non event. I had one garbage can knocked down but don’t really recall any high winds or heavy rain.
Yes.
“OT: The Official TKR Weather Thread, now discussing early Spring (crazy temp swings, wind, etc.)
The bold can be adjusted/edited throughout the year to reflect the current season/conditions.
Or…
Make it a humorous Seinfeld-esque one:
OT: What’s The Deal With The Weather, now discussing _____ (fill in the blank)
By rule we have to read the thread title in Jerry’s voice. 🙂
Ok, a poster on AmericanWx answered the call and supplied the graphics below, from the link below. December tied for 1st place with the most days over the last 50 years having >35 knot wind gusts at Newark, while January was in first place and February was in 2nd place. So yes, it's been quite windy this winter, as judged by the numbers of gusty wind events.
I like looking at max wind gusts, like these graphics, more than mean wind speeds, since I think people "feel" like it's windier than normal based on how often we have very gusty winds, whereas I don't think most are thinking about whether the mean wind speed is 12 mph or 10 mph over a month. A case in point is that as per the 4th graphic below, mean wind speeds in February at Islip on LI over the last 37 years only vary between 8 and 12 mph with the mean around 10 mph - I highly doubt someone is going to notice 12 mph vs. 10 mph (and mean wind speeds in Islip are similar to Newark).
https://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/p...s=35&month=jan&year=2025&_r=t&dpi=100&_fmt=js
I run and ride a road bike and it seems to me it’s been windier for the last couple of years - say the last 5? One anecdotal example is last May at LBI the winds were @22 almost everyday for the week we were there. And yes, I know it can be and is windy at the shore but this was way more so, imo. The guy we rented from lives there year round and he agrees. I hate the wind so I’ll admit I’m a little sensitive to it.
Wind has a major impact on running and cycling. I can avoid riding into a heavy wind (15mph+) by using trains to get a destination 30/40 from my house. This only eliminates riding directly into the wind. Most routes aren't straight so you do get side gusts giving you a scare but it's better than not riding at all.
One route that is straight most of the way is Lindenwold Patco Station to Atlantic City. Get a WNW wind and it's game on for a 54 mile ride.
And my job.
Which is one of tbe reasons why I appreciate what @RU848789 does for us with this information.
So it’s not just a feeling some of us have but actually true?Ok, a poster on AmericanWx answered the call and supplied the graphics below, from the link below. December tied for 1st place with the most days over the last 50 years having >35 knot wind gusts at Newark, while January was in first place and February was in 2nd place. So yes, it's been quite windy this winter, as judged by the numbers of gusty wind events.
I like looking at max wind gusts, like these graphics, more than mean wind speeds, since I think people "feel" like it's windier than normal based on how often we have very gusty winds, whereas I don't think most are thinking about whether the mean wind speed is 12 mph or 10 mph over a month. A case in point is that as per the 4th graphic below, mean wind speeds in February at Islip on LI over the last 37 years only vary between 8 and 12 mph with the mean around 10 mph - I highly doubt someone is going to notice 12 mph vs. 10 mph (and mean wind speeds in Islip are similar to Newark).
https://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/p...s=35&month=jan&year=2025&_r=t&dpi=100&_fmt=js
Ok, a poster on AmericanWx answered the call and supplied the graphics below, from the link below. December tied for 1st place with the most days over the last 50 years having >35 knot wind gusts at Newark, while January was in first place and February was in 2nd place. So yes, it's been quite windy this winter, as judged by the numbers of gusty wind events.
I like looking at max wind gusts, like these graphics, more than mean wind speeds, since I think people "feel" like it's windier than normal based on how often we have very gusty winds, whereas I don't think most are thinking about whether the mean wind speed is 12 mph or 10 mph over a month. A case in point is that as per the 4th graphic below, mean wind speeds in February at Islip on LI over the last 37 years only vary between 8 and 12 mph with the mean around 10 mph - I highly doubt someone is going to notice 12 mph vs. 10 mph (and mean wind speeds in Islip are similar to Newark).
https://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/p...s=35&month=jan&year=2025&_r=t&dpi=100&_fmt=js
So comparing months over the past 50 years, this past December was #2, January #1, and February #2.
Kind of backs up what E5 and others of us have been saying.
72 yesterday in my area...warmest day so far
alot of 60s and 50s mixed over the next 2 weeks. No sustained warmth but no real cold and even 50s we get will be near or slight above normal. Friday looks to be a one day cold shot with temps struggling to get out of the 40s but back over 60 on Saturday.
alot of 60s and 50s mixed over the next 2 weeks. No sustained warmth but no real cold and even 50s we get will be near or slight above normal. Friday looks to be a one day cold shot with temps struggling to get out of the 40s but back over 60 on Saturday.
Thanks. And while it was certainly a feeling that many of us had regarding it having been a windy few months, myself included, I'm a data driven guy, so I had to see some relevant data before reaching that conclusion and I think the data make it clear that it truly has been quite windy (especially gusty) vs. "normal" the last 3 months.
lol, I never knew about Greystone's history as a psychiatric hospital until a few years ago, since I grew up in SNJ. I'm just happy part of the agreement when the old facility was being shut down and a new one was agreed to be built was that 300 acres were sold to Morris County to be used, as per below (which ended up including the disc golf course that was installed around 2014). I also didn't know about Dylan visiting Woody Guthrie there in the early 1960s, until seeing the Dylan film a few weeks ago.
"When this land was sold, a law was also passed that Greystone land cannot be used for any purpose other than "recreation and conservation, historic preservation or farmland preservation." This meant no commercial development and no condos or townhomes."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greystone_Park_Psychiatric_Hospital
I didn't know that that was the restriction on future plans for the site, but it's good to see that's the case. It was a sad facility for many years, so hopefully this will be a place where future generations can enjoy the land in a much more positive environment.
It's 2.5 months early (tropical season officially starts on 6/1) and it only has a 10% chance of forming, but it's still a bit unusual.
https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/
Are you suggesting that to account for the closure of a hospital for those with severe mental illness they had to continue to provide a space for that population . . .
I'm not suggesting anything. Was just commenting that they closed (and demolished) the original facilities and built replacement ones and that as part of that it freed up space for recreational/passive use. My knowledge of Greystone history is minimal - just what I read from the wiki page.
If you believe in that stuff, at one time Greystone was considered the most haunted place in NJ.
