OT: Mike Tyson returning to the ring

[jtung230]

Nate Diaz, Anderson Silva, Tyron Woodley are three of the most legit champions in UFC history. There’s no way in hell Paul’s record should be 4-0 against them.

Jake Paul - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

its boxing w/o weight class. Woodley is more of a wrestler than a striker.

 

[Extra Point]

If he's such a good boxer why is he setting up matches against a retired 57 year old purely for the money?

Fighting Tyson would bring a lot of interest and would make a lot of money. It is purely for the money. But that doesn't mean he isn't a good boxer and both men will want to win.

 

[newell138]

Fights been “postponed “

 

[Knight Shift]

Classy statement.

 

[retired711]

I think every heavyweight had losses, except for Rocky Marciano
You would have to start with the idea he was the best, one would think
Like many others, he almost came out of retirement in 1959, four years afyer his last fight,but then changed his mind _preserving his unblemished record

IIRC, he thought about coming out of retirement when Ingamar Johannsen won the title from Floyd Patterson -- the idea was that the heavyweight champion should be an American. It was unnecessary -- Patterson defeated Johnannsen twice in rematches. One reason, according to an article by Johannsen's trainer in Sport Magazine, was that Johannsen was better at enjoying being champion than at training to keep his title.

For those who don't know, Sport Magazine (1946 -2000) was long superior to Sports Illustrated, which was fluff in comparison.

 

[retired711]

People thought that when he fought Sonny Liston, Joe Frazier was another power puncher that would rock his clock
Foreman had too much power for Ali to handle.
Ali proved he could win against the best
Tyson might prove to be another one that Ali finds a way to defeat.
I would like to see if Iron Mike could beat Sonny when both were in their prime

Maybe you didn't use the names you intended to, but Frazier never fought Liston (Frazier's camp wanted no part of Liston) and of course Ali defeated Foreman. Foreman did, of course, knock out Frazier twice.

 

[wheezer]

Maybe you didn't use the names you intended to, but Frazier never fought Liston (Frazier's camp wanted no part of Liston) and of course Ali defeated Foreman. Foreman did, of course, knock out Frazier twice.

Funny how boxing goes

Ali and Frazier had three brutal and fairly even fights

Foreman destroys Frazier twice, like he was nothing

Ali beats Foreman

 

[RU-05]

Nate Diaz, Anderson Silva, Tyron Woodley are three of the most legit champions in UFC history. There’s no way in hell Paul’s record should be 4-0 against them.

Jake Paul - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Silva is the lone name of that group that one may think could be a good boxer(even then his striking was very diversified and not prototypical for boxing) , but when he fought Paul, Silva was 47 and way past his UFC prime. Paul was 25.

Diaz never won a UFC title, was 38 vs Paul's 26, and though a good striker by UFC standards, was certainly not a crisp puncher.

Woodley was 39, vs Paul's 24, and as noted above his strength in MMA was his wrestling.

So while I was kind of impressed by Paul's boxing ability, it has to be noted he is fighting guys who are old, and not really boxer's. I think he legitimately won these bouts but they have been very much hand picked opponents.

Now Tyson will be the oldest of the group, but also the lone true boxer, the heaviest in terms of fight weight, and clearly the most power in his prime. It's still very much fits the bill of Paul's camp picking old guys who have names, but there is some danger here.

I'd be fine if this fight never happens, but if it does, I'm really hoping Tyson knocks him out.

 

[RU-05]

I'm no expert in boxing, but my gut tells me that if it was Tyson in his prime vs Muhammed Ali in his prime.. Tyson could destroy him if he connects his full power punches inside the first three rounds. Tyson is so much more savage than Ali was. If Ali caused Tyson to miss everything... Tyson would get tired in time and he'd lose.

That would be the question, does Tyson's savage power overwhelm Ali's movement and supreme boxing skills.

I tend to lean Ali, as noted above he fought all sorts of guys with big power, but was able to, in one way or another(foot movement, rope a dope), avoid that power, and pick those guys apart. Ali was certainly not a guy who would be intimidated as many Tyson opponents were, and Tyson was a guy who tended to fade as the fight went on.

Maybe not fair to use the Buster Douglas fight as an example, but if he could beat Tyson via foot movement and a stiff jab, I have to think Ali would do the same.

 

[tico brown]

That would be the question, does Tyson's savage power overwhelm Ali's movement and supreme boxing skills.

I tend to lean Ali, as noted above he fought all sorts of guys with big power, but was able to, in one way or another(foot movement, rope a dope), avoid that power, and pick those guys apart. Ali was certainly not a guy who would be intimidated as many Tyson opponents were, and Tyson was a guy who tended to fade as the fight went on.

Maybe not fair to use the Buster Douglas fight as an example, but if he could beat Tyson via foot movement and a stiff jab, I have to think Ali would do the same.

I’m no expert or historian. But Ali taught men with Tyson’s Power like Frazier, Foreman. Those two would knock out a bear. Tyson’s Power would not be the problem for Ali.

Only difference was that Tyson’s speed and movement is times better than Foreman and Frazier. Now if Ali can figure out how to beat Tyson’s speed, we may have a great fight.

Just the opinion of some random shmuck.

 

[retired711]

Funny how boxing goes

Ali and Frazier had three brutal and fairly even fights

Foreman destroys Frazier twice, like he was nothing

Ali beats Foreman

Yes, as in football, the transitive property of math doesn't apply. -- that is, beating A that beat B doesn't guarantee you'll beat B. BTW, Foreman was afraid of Frazier until they got into the ring together.

https://andscape.com/features/foreman-frazier-at-50-revisiting-the-shocking-iconic-heavyweight-title-fight

 

[retired711]

I’m no expert or historian. But Ali taught men with Tyson’s Power like Frazier, Foreman. Those two would knock out a bear. Tyson’s Power would not be the problem for Ali.

Only difference was that Tyson’s speed and movement is times better than Foreman and Frazier. Now if Ali can figure out how to beat Tyson’s speed, we may have a great fight.

Just the opinion of some random shmuck.

I'm certainly not an expert, but I would think the best strategy against Tyson would be to jab constantly and move -- stick-and-move. It would also be good to be prepared to fight out of a crouch because Tyson's technique is to come in low and then destroy his opponent with uppercuts. (Being taller than Tyson is a disadvantage!) But there's no way I would try this myself!!

 

[matty666]

Tyson isn't taking a dive lie those MMa guys cash needy guys did. All of them IMO were happy to for the cash. Woodly maybe not because his stand up was alway a joke.

Paul makes millions and no shame in losing to Mike this time. But anyone who thinks Paul is a legit still thinks the WWE is too.

 

[RU-05]

I’m no expert or historian. But Ali taught men with Tyson’s Power like Frazier, Foreman. Those two would knock out a bear. Tyson’s Power would not be the problem for Ali.

Only difference was that Tyson’s speed and movement is times better than Foreman and Frazier. Now if Ali can figure out how to beat Tyson’s speed, we may have a great fight.

Just the opinion of some random shmuck.

Ya, I might have been including that in describing Tyson's power as "savage".

I think Tyson is fairly reminiscent of Frazier really, and Tyson may have been a crisper and sharper fighter. But while Tyson was a warrior(he did take beatings in his losses) Frazier was really willing to take a beating to get where he needed to go, especially vs Ali. And Frazier was often effective later in fights, Ali 1 for instance, Tyson never really had a moment in later rounds. So if Ali was smart, and he certainly was a smart fighter, I think he waits Tyson out. Sticking and moving early, and wearing him down before going for the kill.

Some people dislike these hypothetical discussions, I tend to really enjoy them, even if I, like yourself, is merely expressing the opinion of a random shmuck.

 

[Plum Street]

Good thread. . Boxing used to be great. Amazing how that sport died.

 

[retired711]

Ya, I might have been including that in describing Tyson's power as "savage".

I think Tyson is fairly reminiscent of Frazier really, and Tyson may have been a crisper and sharper fighter. But while Tyson was a warrior(he did take beatings in his losses) Frazier was really willing to take a beating to get where he needed to go, especially vs Ali. And Frazier was often effective later in fights, Ali 1 for instance, Tyson never really had a moment in later rounds. So if Ali was smart, and he certainly was a smart fighter, I think he waits Tyson out. Sticking and moving early, and wearing him down before going for the kill.

Some people dislike these hypothetical discussions, I tend to really enjoy them, even if I, like yourself, is merely expressing the opinion of a random shmuck.

Just remember the 14th round of the last fight between Ali and Frazier. Frazier's eye had been closed by Ali's punches, and Ali landed shot after shot in the 14th. When Frazier went back to his corner, he was asked, "What's with his left hand?" "I can't see it." Frazier replied. At that point the corner stopped the fight even though Frazier pleaded he could finish.

 

[newell138]

That would be the question, does Tyson's savage power overwhelm Ali's movement and supreme boxing skills.

I tend to lean Ali, as noted above he fought all sorts of guys with big power, but was able to, in one way or another(foot movement, rope a dope), avoid that power, and pick those guys apart. Ali was certainly not a guy who would be intimidated as many Tyson opponents were, and Tyson was a guy who tended to fade as the fight went on.

Maybe not fair to use the Buster Douglas fight as an example, but if he could beat Tyson via foot movement and a stiff jab, I have to think Ali would do the same.

Tyson vs Douglas was not the same Tyson vs anyone else beforehand. Too many outside negative, bottom feeders, sucking off the Tyson name then

 

[RU-05]

Good thread. . Boxing used to be great. Amazing how that sport died.

The whole Parkinsons thing is not a great look. If you're and athlete and you have other options you probably take them.

Does something similar happen with football? At least there are ways to work around that.

Does the rise of MMA dispel this theory? Well maybe, but MMA is not as focused on punching each in the face. Just a count of head punches landed in the respective sports and it's very lopsided. And I think there is something about participants in a new sport riding a wave of excitement and ignoring the dangers while those in an established sport don't have that same momentum driver.

 

[RU-05]

Tyson vs Douglas was not the same Tyson vs anyone else beforehand. Too many outside negative, bottom feeders, sucking off the Tyson name then

Ya, that's why I said it's maybe not fair, but, and maybe this is more a premise related to respective careers, vs each fighter at their peak, but Tyson's prime was a pretty small window, Ali's career was quite long. Too long as it turned out. In that sense though, Ali's career was certainly better then Tyson's.

 

[retired711]

Ya, that's why I said it's maybe not fair, but, and maybe this is more a premise related to respective careers, vs each fighter at their peak, but Tyson's prime was a pretty small window, Ali's career was quite long. Too long as it turned out. In that sense though, Ali's career was certainly better then Tyson's.

Ali's career, of course, was interrupted by his conviction for refusing to be drafted. The post-imprisonment Ali, while great, did not have the hand speed that he had before.

 

[RU-05]

Ali's career, of course, was interrupted by his conviction for refusing to be drafted. The post-imprisonment Ali, while great, did not have the hand speed that he had before.

Absolutely. March 67 to Oct 70. Ages 25-29. Prime years.

I did recently just watch his first fight vs Henry Cooper. Cooper had a big knock down of Ali to end the 4th round. Blasted him into the ropes. Luckily for Ali it was the end of the round, and into the ropes. If it was mid round, and fell hard to the mat, Cooper may have been able to jump on him.....if Ali was able to recover.

Ali was able to regroup between rounds, and won the fight in the 5th via stoppage due to a gnarly cut over Cooper's left eye. Ali probably wins regardless, and as it turns out beat Cooper again, and again via stoppage due to a cut, but the knockdown was not a total abberation as Cooper fared pretty well in the fight, the first one at least.

Good quality, and on youtube for those interested.

 

[wheezer]

I'm certainly not an expert, but I would think the best strategy against Tyson would be to jab constantly and move -- stick-and-move. It would also be good to be prepared to fight out of a crouch because Tyson's technique is to come in low and then destroy his opponent with uppercuts. (Being taller than Tyson is a disadvantage!) But there's no way I would try this myself!!

I disagree a bit about taller boxers

Holyfield and Douglas used their size and strength well
Possibly the lesser skilled big men, Tyson could work better with

 

[retired711]

I disagree a bit about taller boxers

Holyfield and Douglas used their size and strength well
Possibly the lesser skilled big men, Tyson could work better with

You're right, but Tyson was past his prime by then -- he had spent time in prison and, as Lennox Lewis later said after beating Tyson, being in prison hurt his conditioning.

 

[retired711]

Absolutely. March 67 to Oct 70. Ages 25-29. Prime years.

I did recently just watch his first fight vs Henry Cooper. Cooper had a big knock down of Ali to end the 4th round. Blasted him into the ropes. Luckily for Ali it was the end of the round, and into the ropes. If it was mid round, and fell hard to the mat, Cooper may have been able to jump on him.....if Ali was able to recover.

Ali was able to regroup between rounds, and won the fight in the 5th via stoppage due to a gnarly cut over Cooper's left eye. Ali probably wins regardless, and as it turns out beat Cooper again, and again via stoppage due to a cut, but the knockdown was not a total abberation as Cooper fared pretty well in the fight, the first one at least.

Good quality, and on youtube for those interested.

In those days, Cassius Clay, as he was then known, would write "poems" about his upcoming fights (e.g. "[Archie] Moore will fall in four") and then live up to his prediction. For Cooper, Clay rhymed that he would fall in five - he did, but, as you say, Cooper gave Clay much more than he expected.

 

[MADHAT1]

Maybe you didn't use the names you intended to, but Frazier never fought Liston (Frazier's camp wanted no part of Liston) and of course Ali defeated Foreman. Foreman did, of course, knock out Frazier twice.

You misunderstood what I was saying, maybe because of the way I worded that reply
I was talking about how every power puncher Ali faced there were those who felt that power puncher would rock Ali's clock.
Frazier's name was in reference to his first fight against Ali and I never intended to say Frazier and Liston fought . Every fighter I mentioned was in reference to fighting Ali.

I bet on Sonny to beat Ali their first fight and didn't learn my lesson when Ali fought George.

 

[retired711]

You misunderstood what I was saying, maybe because of the way I worded that reply
I was talking about how every power puncher Ali faced there were those who felt that power puncher would rock Ali's clock.
Frazier's name was in reference to his first fight against Ali and I never intended to say Frazier and Liston fought . Every fighter I mentioned was in reference to fighting Ali.

I bet on Sonny to beat Ali their first fight and didn't learn my lesson when Ali fought George.

Sorry to have misunderstood you. You'll recall that Liston quit, claiming a bad shoulder. You'll also remember that Ali got caustic in his eyes, and had to dodge around the ring to keep Liston from catching him. And I'm sure you know about the second fight.

It was quite reasonable to bet on Foreman in the rumble in the jungle. The odds were four-to-one against Ali.

 

[MADHAT1]

Sorry to have misunderstood you. You'll recall that Liston quit, claiming a bad shoulder. You'll also remember that Ali got caustic in his eyes, and had to dodge around the ring to keep Liston from catching him. And I'm sure you know about the second fight.

It was quite reasonable to bet on Foreman in the rumble in the jungle. The odds were four-to-one against Ali.

No problem, sometimes a misunderstanding is because of how something was said.
Ali's eyes troubling him probably was because of stuff put on Sonny's shoulder that
was bothering him before the fight even started.
2nd fight dive (common description of the loss ) ruined the way Sonny Liston would be thought of after that fight and ( in my opinion) a chance for another title shot.
Won 16 fights after the 2nd loss to Ali and 15 of them were by KO/TKO

 

[retired711]

No problem, sometimes a misunderstanding is because of how something was said.
Ali's eyes troubling him probably was because of stuff put on Sonny's shoulder that
was bothering him before the fight even started.
2nd fight dive (common description of the loss ) ruined the way Sonny Liston would be thought of after that fight and ( in my opinion) a chance for another title shot.
Won 16 fights after the 2nd loss to Ali and 15 of them were by KO/TKO

FWIW, Angelo Dundee, who was in Ali's corner, dismisses the theory that Liston was trying to do something illegal to blind Ali. That doesn't disagree with what you say.

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/liston-didn-t-blind-ali-6987354.html

There are people who think the second fight was legitimate. Ali did hit Liston but it is hard to believe that the punch would have knocked out a professional boxer. Liston was hurt not just by the fight, but by organized crime's connections to him. That's why the fight had to be in a high school gym in Lewiston, Maine -- Massachusetts wouldn't allow the fight in that state.

 

[Knight Shift]

 

[ashokan]

I was listening to Rogan describe MMA vs boxing.
Boxing has deaths and MMA has none.
The reason given is that MMA fights are over faster.
Ali actually boxing for more rounds would do more damage to him than the few rounds of MMA fighting (going to the floor).
Personally I could never get into MMA because it looks like bar fighting and a lot of the fighters are just fodder - mismatches happen a lot

 

[ashokan]

View embedded media

Tyson looks juiced - the veins are always a sign and spesh on older athletes (Bonds getting cross forearm veins were proof his added size wasn't just from "getting older").

 

[tico brown]

If this was a legit fight, Tyson would destroy him with his experience and skills.

Unfortunately, this is just an “exhibition” to have Paul look good if not beat a boxing legend.

 

[Plum Street]

Wha time is this fight supposed to start Friday ? I know Netflix says 8. Is there an undercard ?
Just trying to plan my night !

 

[DJ Spanky]

So are they making sure Tyson is hungry when he goes in the ring?

 

[RULoyal]

Several conditions were placed on the fight between Paul and Tyson, with them making it slightly different to most professional fights you might have watched.

First up, instead of the standard 10-ounce gloves worn in a heavyweight fight, they will wear 14-ounce gloves. The heavier the glove, the more padding and the more shock absorbed by the glove, rather than the fist and point of contact on the opposition fighter.

Following this up, there will be eight rounds instead of the usual 12.

And for those eight rounds, they will be two minutes long instead of the standard three minutes you see in a professional bout.

 

[RULoyal]

Several conditions were placed on the fight between Paul and Tyson, with them making it slightly different to most professional fights you might have watched.

First up, instead of the standard 10-ounce gloves worn in a heavyweight fight, they will wear 14-ounce gloves. The heavier the glove, the more padding and the more shock absorbed by the glove, rather than the fist and point of contact on the opposition fighter.

Following this up, there will be eight rounds instead of the usual 12.

And for those eight rounds, they will be two minutes long instead of the standard three minutes you see in a professional bout.

While the heavier gloves probably work in Paul's favor, I think fewer and shorter rounds give Tyson the advantage as stamina is probably his biggest weakness now.

 

[robjknight]

2x’s8rounds =. 16 minutes of actual fighting. Payday could be $1 million per minute.

 

[Knight Shift]

If you have a Netflix account, you can watch the fight for free.

Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson start time​

• Date: Friday, November 15
• Time: 8 p.m. ET | 5 p.m. PT | 1 a.m. BST | 11 a.m. AEDT (Saturday)
• Main event start time (approx.): 11:15 p.m. ET | 8:15 p.m. PT | 4 a.m. BST | 2 p.m. AEDT
• Location: AT&T Stadium - Arlington, Texas

Is the Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson fight on Netflix free? Cost, live stream & start time for 2024 boxing fight | Sporting News

YouTube sensation Jake Paul will step into the ring on Friday against boxing Hall of Famer Mike Tyson in a mega clash streaming live on Netflix. Here's everything you need to know about the fight, including whether or not the event is streaming for free.

www.sportingnews.com

 

[Plum Street]

If you have a Netflix account, you can watch the fight for free.

Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson start time​

• Date: Friday, November 15
• Time: 8 p.m. ET | 5 p.m. PT | 1 a.m. BST | 11 a.m. AEDT (Saturday)
• Main event start time (approx.): 11:15 p.m. ET | 8:15 p.m. PT | 4 a.m. BST | 2 p.m. AEDT
• Location: AT&T Stadium - Arlington, Texas

Is the Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson fight on Netflix free? Cost, live stream & start time for 2024 boxing fight | Sporting News

YouTube sensation Jake Paul will step into the ring on Friday against boxing Hall of Famer Mike Tyson in a mega clash streaming live on Netflix. Here's everything you need to know about the fight, including whether or not the event is streaming for free.

www.sportingnews.com

Thanks for the info . Was trying to figure out what time it could start

Kinda ironic to say if you pay for something like a subscription “you can can watch it for free.” Lol

 

[Rutgers Chris]

My 11 year old is pumped for this. Getting to show him old Tyson clips has been fun. I have no doubt it will be more production than fight, but hopefully it’s still entertaining.