its boxing w/o weight class. Woodley is more of a wrestler than a striker.Nate Diaz, Anderson Silva, Tyron Woodley are three of the most legit champions in UFC history. There’s no way in hell Paul’s record should be 4-0 against them.
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Fighting Tyson would bring a lot of interest and would make a lot of money. It is purely for the money. But that doesn't mean he isn't a good boxer and both men will want to win.
IIRC, he thought about coming out of retirement when Ingamar Johannsen won the title from Floyd Patterson -- the idea was that the heavyweight champion should be an American. It was unnecessary -- Patterson defeated Johnannsen twice in rematches. One reason, according to an article by Johannsen's trainer in Sport Magazine, was that Johannsen was better at enjoying being champion than at training to keep his title.
Maybe you didn't use the names you intended to, but Frazier never fought Liston (Frazier's camp wanted no part of Liston) and of course Ali defeated Foreman. Foreman did, of course, knock out Frazier twice.
Funny how boxing goes
Silva is the lone name of that group that one may think could be a good boxer(even then his striking was very diversified and not prototypical for boxing) , but when he fought Paul, Silva was 47 and way past his UFC prime. Paul was 25.Nate Diaz, Anderson Silva, Tyron Woodley are three of the most legit champions in UFC history. There’s no way in hell Paul’s record should be 4-0 against them.
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That would be the question, does Tyson's savage power overwhelm Ali's movement and supreme boxing skills.
I’m no expert or historian. But Ali taught men with Tyson’s Power like Frazier, Foreman. Those two would knock out a bear. Tyson’s Power would not be the problem for Ali.
Yes, as in football, the transitive property of math doesn't apply. -- that is, beating A that beat B doesn't guarantee you'll beat B. BTW, Foreman was afraid of Frazier until they got into the ring together.
I'm certainly not an expert, but I would think the best strategy against Tyson would be to jab constantly and move -- stick-and-move. It would also be good to be prepared to fight out of a crouch because Tyson's technique is to come in low and then destroy his opponent with uppercuts. (Being taller than Tyson is a disadvantage!) But there's no way I would try this myself!!
Ya, I might have been including that in describing Tyson's power as "savage".
Just remember the 14th round of the last fight between Ali and Frazier. Frazier's eye had been closed by Ali's punches, and Ali landed shot after shot in the 14th. When Frazier went back to his corner, he was asked, "What's with his left hand?" "I can't see it." Frazier replied. At that point the corner stopped the fight even though Frazier pleaded he could finish.
Tyson vs Douglas was not the same Tyson vs anyone else beforehand. Too many outside negative, bottom feeders, sucking off the Tyson name then
The whole Parkinsons thing is not a great look. If you're and athlete and you have other options you probably take them.
Ya, that's why I said it's maybe not fair, but, and maybe this is more a premise related to respective careers, vs each fighter at their peak, but Tyson's prime was a pretty small window, Ali's career was quite long. Too long as it turned out. In that sense though, Ali's career was certainly better then Tyson's.
Ali's career, of course, was interrupted by his conviction for refusing to be drafted. The post-imprisonment Ali, while great, did not have the hand speed that he had before.
Absolutely. March 67 to Oct 70. Ages 25-29. Prime years.
I disagree a bit about taller boxers
You're right, but Tyson was past his prime by then -- he had spent time in prison and, as Lennox Lewis later said after beating Tyson, being in prison hurt his conditioning.
In those days, Cassius Clay, as he was then known, would write "poems" about his upcoming fights (e.g. "[Archie] Moore will fall in four") and then live up to his prediction. For Cooper, Clay rhymed that he would fall in five - he did, but, as you say, Cooper gave Clay much more than he expected.
You misunderstood what I was saying, maybe because of the way I worded that reply
Sorry to have misunderstood you. You'll recall that Liston quit, claiming a bad shoulder. You'll also remember that Ali got caustic in his eyes, and had to dodge around the ring to keep Liston from catching him. And I'm sure you know about the second fight.
No problem, sometimes a misunderstanding is because of how something was said.
FWIW, Angelo Dundee, who was in Ali's corner, dismisses the theory that Liston was trying to do something illegal to blind Ali. That doesn't disagree with what you say.
