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OT: Minor to Moderate Snow Possible on Monday, 1/6 (uncertainty high); also 1-2" Fri, 1/3 Philly to AC and SW of there

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Summary: Given high uncertainty, using the NBM (National Blend of Models) is usually a good place to start when there is quite a bit of model spread, as we have now and which is not a surprise since we're still 4 days from the event, which looks like it'll be from the wee hours Monday morning into the afternoon, with temps in the 20s for the whole event, so accumulations on all untreated surfaces would be expected, which could make the Monday am rush difficult. The NBM shows 1-2" along and N of 80 (including NYC) increasing as one goes south to 3-4" along 276/195 and more south of there, which would mean 2-3" for most of CNJ. Snow fans would certainly take that, considering things were looking like <1" for most folks N of 276/195 until this evening's shift north in the precip/snow shield seen on most models. <1" and 4-6" are still on the table for areas between 276/195 and 78.

Details: Been talking about this threat in the pattern thread for a few days, but now that we're about 4 days away from the event, figured it was time for a thread. Uncertainty is fairly high on snowfall amounts, given that the main system is still in the Pacific Ocean and the setup is a sensitive one, since this will be what is known as a SWFE (southwestern flow event) with a storm traveling mostly west to east across the country putting down significant snow (and mix to rain south of the track) north of the track as the SW flow of moist air from the south is thrown into the well-entrenched cold air north of the track; this is not a coastal low/nor'easter coming up the Atlantic coast. As a result of the expected track being a bit south of here and the influence of the tropospheric polar vortex (TPV) to our north possibly suppressing moisture to our south (confluence), areas N of 276/195 are on the northern edge of the precip/snow meaning there is a wide range of potential snowfall amounts as mentioned above, with amounts quickly decreasing as one goes north.

Through much of last night and today, most of the models weren't showing that much snow for our area, but that started changing with the 18Z Euro, which brought moderate snow much further north into our area and since then just about every model at 0Z tonight is showing at least a bit of snow for our area with some showing a few inches or more, which is why the NBM is showing the minor (1-2" to moderate snowfall (2-4") I mentioned in the thread title. Still a long way to go and we could trend back downward to an inch or less for most or upward to several inches for everyone or kind of stay on track. Note that for much of VA/MD/DE and SNJ (south of Wilmington to AC) 4-8" are looking somewhat likely. One other factor to consider is that temps should be in the 20s throughout the event (wee hours of Monday through Mon afternoon, although we could still see a shift of 4-8 hours in precip timing), so any snow that falls should accumulate easily, meaning impacts, especially on the morning rush hour on a Monday after a holiday week for many, could be significant if we get more than 1-2" (and even 1-2" would have some impact). Also, note that the NWS as of their 4 pm update was less optimistic for snow vs. what I've posted, but that was before they had seen the model shifts, so I'd expect them to be more bullish at 4 am.

https://www.weather.gov/phi/

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Interesting that the NWS Blend of Models (NBM) snowfall forecast bumped up for 07Z vs 01Z last night, as per the graphic/GIF below, and yet the NWS-Philly is clearly downplaying the event potential north of Philly, as per their discussion from 4 am which I excerpted below. The NWS often follows the NBM for snow events, but certainly doesn't appear to be doing so now. Maybe they're going by the NOAA-WPC precip forecast, which is lower, and not the NBM snowfall forecast.

Makes it difficult to know what to think when the NWS is showing such inconsistencies in their products. Based on the 6Z global models this morning, I'd say <1" to 3-5" are still on the table for CNJ and adjacent PA/NY with maybe 1-3" looking most likely (with the lower amounts N of 78 (and in NYC) and the higher amounts towards 276/195, with 2-4" looking quite possible for Philly/SEPA/SNJ (with a downside of 1-2" and an upside of 4-6") and 1" or less along/N of 80. Long way to go, though.

"While it is still too soon to tell how much snow will fall, the trend
looks to be for advisory level snowfall for Delmarva, sub-
advisory amounts for southeast New Jersey and the Delaware
Valley, and minimal amounts north of Philadelphia."

https://forecast.weather.gov/produc...&format=CI&version=1&glossary=1&highlight=off

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@RU848789, your discussion and the NWS's indicates that this storm is likely to be more severe down here in southern New Jersey and the Philly area than where you are; please keep us in mind in your comments as the forecast develops.
No problem, I usually try to, since my primary venues for weather info are my email list (about 300 people) and FB and for both those groups my main focus has always been Philly-NJ-NYC (so it's not that much more work to copy/paste here) so I usually include Philly/SNJ for them given Merck had a major site just NW of Philly (my email list still has a large MK/ex-MK contingent) and I grew up 10 miles SSE of Philly and have tons of FB friends from HS. You're likely to get a fair amount more snow in Cherry Hill than most of CNJ gets...

And by the way, a couple of models are showing an inch or two of snow for Philly/SNJ/DelMarVa (especially S of Philly to LBI) Friday aft/evening, with little to no snow north of 276/195, while other models show little to no snow. The map below is from the NWS for Friday afternoon/evening.

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Interesting that the NWS Blend of Models (NBM) snowfall forecast bumped up for 07Z vs 01Z last night, as per the graphic/GIF below, and yet the NWS-Philly is clearly downplaying the event potential north of Philly, as per their discussion from 4 am which I excerpted below. The NWS often follows the NBM for snow events, but certainly doesn't appear to be doing so now. Maybe they're going by the NOAA-WPC precip forecast, which is lower, and not the NBM snowfall forecast.

Makes it difficult to know what to think when the NWS is showing such inconsistencies in their products. Based on the 6Z global models this morning, I'd say <1" to 3-5" are still on the table for CNJ and adjacent PA/NY with maybe 1-3" looking most likely (with the lower amounts N of 78 (and in NYC) and the higher amounts towards 276/195, with 2-4" looking quite possible for Philly/SEPA/SNJ (with a downside of 1-2" and an upside of 4-6") and 1" or less along/N of 80. Long way to go, though.

"While it is still too soon to tell how much snow will fall, the trend
looks to be for advisory level snowfall for Delmarva, sub-
advisory amounts for southeast New Jersey and the Delaware
Valley, and minimal amounts north of Philadelphia."

https://forecast.weather.gov/produc...&format=CI&version=1&glossary=1&highlight=off

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Summary: Every 12Z global model except for the Euro (GFS, ICON, CMC, UK and their ensemble runs) has shifted the low and the snow/precip shield north relative to previous runs, either a little or a fair amount (the Euro at 12Z was similar to 6Z), such that the NBM model blend is now no longer an outlier relative to the globals, like it was as per the post above, meaning the NBM snowfall map seems fairly realistic, given what the models are showing. As before, temps should be below 32F for the entire event, meaning snow will accumulate on all non-treated surfaces (with potential morning rush impacts) which will likely start in the wee hours Monday morning and precip may not end until Monday evening.

Obviously, things can still continue to change as we're 3.5 days out, but right now, based largely on the NBM below, a general 1-4" for the area, with the 1" line a bit north of 80 and the 4" line along 276/195, seems like a decent call, meaning a general 2-4" for most of CNJ (~2" along 78 to ~4" along 276/195). However, 1" or less and 4-6" are still on the table for CNJ (and adjacent PA/NY), with the <1" outcome looking very unlikely now, at least for areas south of 78. From 78 northward and especially N of 80, <1" is very much in play, as there should be a sharp cutoff in precip somewhere. And for areas like Philly/SNJ, 3-5" seems like a good call now with more very possible.

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Other Stuff: With regard to the NWS inconsistencies between their discussion/forecast and the NWS NBM model blend discussed above, I had a very interesting exchange with Mike Gorse (NWS-Philly met) and Walt Drag (NWS-Philly and Boston met, retired) on AmericanWx this morning; link below. Mike is actually not a big fan of the NBM but agreed the NWS mets need to do a better job explaining discrepancies between it and the WPC precip maps in their discussions, since the NBM is so heavily used and Walt goes further feeling the NWS isn't doing a good enough job giving heads up to the public on threats like Monday, even if uncertainty is still high.

https://www.americanwx.com/bb/topic...mes-jan-6-early-9th-and-obs-if-needed/page/8/

Lastly, thought these tweets from John Homenuk and Eric Webb, below, were really good, John's shows the progression of precip northward over time for one of the models (the GFS ensembles) over the past day or so and Eric comments on how this is very often observed in these kinds of SWFE setups and why. We'll see if this trend continues or maybe reverses or maybe the forecast stays where it is now. Never a dull moment tracking winter storms in this area, lol.



 
I dont think there needs to be some sort of ring the bells warning over 1-3 inch snow event north of trenton to nyc...its definitely been in the forecast so I dont know anyone would think people are not prepared for a minor type event that is a bit less than 4 days out

also gorse did warn you about the nbm not being the most accurate to use: "The NBM is not the greatest guidance many times and I will leave it at that."
 
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I dont think there needs to be some sort of ring the bells warning over 1-3 inch snow event north of trenton to nyc...its definitely been in the forecast so I dont know anyone would think people are not prepared for a minor type event that is a bit less than 4 days out

also gorse did warn you about the nbm not being the most accurate to use: "The NBM is not the greatest guidance many times and I will leave it at that."
Walt is very conservative on alerts (I'm with him on that), but I also get what you're saying, as it's not a big deal (yet) for CNJ/NNJ - I also think he was talking more about Philly/SNJ where we could be talking about a warning level event and that's not well known yet.

On the NBM, it's a bit of a conundrum, because Drag likes it, as per other posts and the NWS offices use it all the time. I will say I'm more nervous about using it now hearing what he had to say and noting the discrepancies I observed, but it has worked nicely so far this winter and in the absence of official NWS maps, I'm ok with using it now.
 
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I'm shocked nothing has been said about a Friday event. Even Zarrow is saying its possible for areas south of Burlington and Ocean Counties getting 1-2 inches with a pocket of 4, He's also rubbing my bits as he always says social media is ruining forecasts but THEN he goes on to say a possible bigger storm (noreaster} is lurking for next Friday.
 
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No problem, I usually try to, since my primary venues for weather info are my email list (about 300 people) and FB and for both those groups my main focus has always been Philly-NJ-NYC (so it's not that much more work to copy/paste here) so I usually include Philly/SNJ for them given Merck had a major site just NW of Philly (my email list still has a large MK/ex-MK contingent) and I grew up 10 miles SSE of Philly and have tons of FB friends from HS. You're likely to get a fair amount more snow in Cherry Hill than most of CNJ gets...

And by the way, a couple of models are showing an inch or two of snow for Philly/SNJ/DelMarVa (especially S of Philly to LBI) Friday aft/evening, with little to no snow north of 276/195, while other models show little to no snow. The map below is from the NWS for Friday afternoon/evening.

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I'm shocked nothing has been said about a Friday event. Even Zarrow is saying its possible for areas north of Burlington and Ocean Counties getting 1-2 inches with a pocket of 4, He's also rubbing my bits as he always says social media is ruining forecasts but THEN he goes on to say a possible bigger storm (noreaster} is lurking for next Friday.

Maybe you actually are just a dim-witted animal that can't read, lol.
 
I'm shocked nothing has been said about a Friday event. Even Zarrow is saying its possible for areas north of Burlington and Ocean Counties getting 1-2 inches with a pocket of 4, He's also rubbing my bits as he always says social media is ruining forecasts but THEN he goes on to say a possible bigger storm (noreaster} is lurking for next Friday.
Friday tomorrow 1-2 inches?
 
No problem, I usually try to, since my primary venues for weather info are my email list (about 300 people) and FB and for both those groups my main focus has always been Philly-NJ-NYC (so it's not that much more work to copy/paste here) so I usually include Philly/SNJ for them given Merck had a major site just NW of Philly (my email list still has a large MK/ex-MK contingent) and I grew up 10 miles SSE of Philly and have tons of FB friends from HS. You're likely to get a fair amount more snow in Cherry Hill than most of CNJ gets...

And by the way, a couple of models are showing an inch or two of snow for Philly/SNJ/DelMarVa (especially S of Philly to LBI) Friday aft/evening, with little to no snow north of 276/195, while other models show little to no snow. The map below is from the NWS for Friday afternoon/evening.

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Update on tomorrow's little shortwave that could (I did add it into the thread title). I wouldn't expect much north of Philly to Toms River, which is usually my cutoff for making threads, but since there are some Philly/SNJ folks around here, this is the latest snowfall map, showing 1-2" from west of Philly down to about LBI and SW of that line. The NWS issued advisories for 1-2" of snow for this area, partly due to the impact/timing of mid afternoon through mid-evening tomorrow, including the pm rush hour. @retired711

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Update on tomorrow's little shortwave that could (I did add it into the thread title). I wouldn't expect much north of Philly to Toms River, which is usually my cutoff for making threads, but since there are some Philly/SNJ folks around here, this is the latest snowfall map, showing 1-2" from west of Philly down to about LBI and SW of that line. The NWS issued advisories for 1-2" of snow for this area, partly due to the impact/timing of mid afternoon through mid-evening tomorrow, including the pm rush hour. @retired711

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Thanks -- we've now posted the same thing about tomorrow's event. Being in Camden County, I am at the northern fringe of the advisory, and so I wouldn't be stunned if we have a bust (which would be fine with me.)
 
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Summary: Every 12Z global model except for the Euro (GFS, ICON, CMC, UK and their ensemble runs) has shifted the low and the snow/precip shield north relative to previous runs, either a little or a fair amount (the Euro at 12Z was similar to 6Z), such that the NBM model blend is now no longer an outlier relative to the globals, like it was as per the post above, meaning the NBM snowfall map seems fairly realistic, given what the models are showing. As before, temps should be below 32F for the entire event, meaning snow will accumulate on all non-treated surfaces (with potential morning rush impacts) which will likely start in the wee hours Monday morning and precip may not end until Monday evening.

Obviously, things can still continue to change as we're 3.5 days out, but right now, based largely on the NBM below, a general 1-4" for the area, with the 1" line a bit north of 80 and the 4" line along 276/195, seems like a decent call, meaning a general 2-4" for most of CNJ (~2" along 78 to ~4" along 276/195). However, 1" or less and 4-6" are still on the table for CNJ (and adjacent PA/NY), with the <1" outcome looking very unlikely now, at least for areas south of 78. From 78 northward and especially N of 80, <1" is very much in play, as there should be a sharp cutoff in precip somewhere. And for areas like Philly/SNJ, 3-5" seems like a good call now with more very possible.

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Other Stuff: With regard to the NWS inconsistencies between their discussion/forecast and the NWS NBM model blend discussed above, I had a very interesting exchange with Mike Gorse (NWS-Philly met) and Walt Drag (NWS-Philly and Boston met, retired) on AmericanWx this morning; link below. Mike is actually not a big fan of the NBM but agreed the NWS mets need to do a better job explaining discrepancies between it and the WPC precip maps in their discussions, since the NBM is so heavily used and Walt goes further feeling the NWS isn't doing a good enough job giving heads up to the public on threats like Monday, even if uncertainty is still high.

https://www.americanwx.com/bb/topic...mes-jan-6-early-9th-and-obs-if-needed/page/8/

Lastly, thought these tweets from John Homenuk and Eric Webb, below, were really good, John's shows the progression of precip northward over time for one of the models (the GFS ensembles) over the past day or so and Eric comments on how this is very often observed in these kinds of SWFE setups and why. We'll see if this trend continues or maybe reverses or maybe the forecast stays where it is now. Never a dull moment tracking winter storms in this area, lol.




NWS-Philly has finally come around to the reality of what the models are showing, as I figured they had to - and they're quoting the NBM (National Blend of Models) and noted the northward shift of the snow shield/accumulations mentioning that further northward shifts are possible (bolded those parts); full discussion on Monday's storm is below. Too early for snowfall maps yet (they'll come Friday night), but their comments are in line with what I posted above: they have their 4" line from Philly to Toms River (the NBM is closer to 276/195) and they say more is likely south of that line and then snowfall amounts will decrease north of that line, with areas N of 78 likely well below advisory criterion (which is 3", so reading between the lines, maybe 1-2" along 78 and 2-3" for most of CNJ. Also, trying DJ's accordion feature for the first time, as the discussion is long.

Area Forecast Discussion
National Weather Service Mount Holly NJ
304 PM EST Thu Jan 2 2025

.LONG TERM /SUNDAY NIGHT THROUGH THURSDAY/...
A winter storm is anticipated to impact the region beginning
Sunday night into Monday, likely bringing widespread
accumulating snowfall. Following the winter system, strong cold
advection and an arctic airmass will result in below normal
temperatures and blustery conditions continuing through the end
of the week.

The synoptic pattern starts out with a flattening ridge
shifting offshore Sunday night, followed by a flattening trough
approaching from the west on Monday. A low pressure system
associated with the trough will approach from the west beginning
Sunday night while weakening as it crosses the Appalachians.
The low will then cross the Mid-Atlantic and strengthen again as
it passes offshore. Following the wintry system, conditions
will turn colder and drier as a phased deep trough across the
eastern CONUS supports shots of reinforcement for the arctic
airmass persist through the end of the week.

Confidence is increasing that widespread snowfall accumulations
will impact the region Sunday night into Monday, with potential
for significant amounts within a relatively narrow band roughly
30-50 miles wide. The exact track of the low pressure system
and frontogenetic forcing will dictate where exactly this
heavier snowfall band develops. This will depend on the strength
of the high to the north and the evolution of the surface low,
which will likely wobble a bit in the guidance from run to run
and from model to model for the next 36-48 hours or so. Current
indications from a consensus of deterministic guidance places
this band somewhere between central Delaware and adjacent areas
of eastern Maryland and far southern New Jersey, to potentially
as far north as the Philadelphia metro area. There has been a
slight north trend evident in the latest guidance alone, however
I`m a little worried even this may not be quite far enough
north.


There will almost certainly be frontogenetic forcing and other
mesoscale factors involved, which models have progged to be
maximized somewhere between a line from DC to Delaware Bay, to
perhaps as far north as northern Delaware near I-95. This would
put the heaviest QPF/snow axis potentially as far north as the
Philly metro. The 850 mb low center looks to cross the
Appalachians around WV and east into northern VA and MD into
Delmarva. The derterminisitc guidance seems a little too far
south with the surface low given the jet dynamics aloft. This
along with the warm advection aloft could easily spell mixing
issues in the far south of the forecast area, such as southern
DE and Cape May. This mixing area could include a mix with
sleet, freezing rain, or even all rain for a time. PoPs were
increased slightly across the board given the growing confidence
in a potentially significant system.

Current NBM probabilities support a 60-70% chance of snowfall
exceeding 4" across much of Delmarva and southern New Jersey
south of Philadelphia. Around Philadelphia proper and along a
line east and west of there, the probability of 4" or more is
near 50%, then lessens quickly farther to the north. The exact
totals remain unclear, and we do not currently have an official
snowfall forecast for this event yet. That won`t come until
Friday afternoon`s update, but initial probabilities suggest *at
least* advisory level snowfall (2-4") from around the
Philadelphia metro and south, potentially low end warning
snowfall (5"+) where ever the heavier band of snow sets up.
Farther north of Philly, amounts are likely to lessen
considerably to below advisory levels, especially along and
north of I-78.

In addition, TWC has their 1" line roughly along 80 and their 3" line roughly just south of 276/195 (with 3-5" south of there and 5-8" in extreme SNJ), which is fairly close to the NBM map and what the NWS is now saying, while Channel 7 has a bit less than the NBM/TWC with the 1" line along 78 and they have a 3" line a little further south of 276/195 and 3-6" south of that line. Regardless, at least for CNJ, as of right now, a 1-3"/2-4" event is shaping up, depending on whose forecast you trust. Both maps are below.

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The DJ feature is good and definitely keep the threads going - they are appreciated by many here. I know there was an earlier discussion about that.
 
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NWS-Philly has finally come around to the reality of what the models are showing, as I figured they had to - and they're quoting the NBM (National Blend of Models) and noted the northward shift of the snow shield/accumulations mentioning that further northward shifts are possible (bolded those parts); full discussion on Monday's storm is below. Too early for snowfall maps yet (they'll come Friday night), but their comments are in line with what I posted above: they have their 4" line from Philly to Toms River (the NBM is closer to 276/195) and they say more is likely south of that line and then snowfall amounts will decrease north of that line, with areas N of 78 likely well below advisory criterion (which is 3", so reading between the lines, maybe 1-2" along 78 and 2-3" for most of CNJ. Trying DJ's according feature for the first time, as the discussion is long...

I dont like the accordion feature..i dont see why peeps cant just read the whole thing
 
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Roads were brined today in Hamilton
I know you’re a big fan of that. All kidding aside, I really believe the Governor was completely spooked by that November storm in 2018 or 19 which over performed just in time for rush hour paralyzing the commute. I think the pre-brining began in earnest after that.
 
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NWS-Philly has finally come around to the reality of what the models are showing, as I figured they had to - and they're quoting the NBM (National Blend of Models) and noted the northward shift of the snow shield/accumulations mentioning that further northward shifts are possible (bolded those parts); full discussion on Monday's storm is below. Too early for snowfall maps yet (they'll come Friday night), but their comments are in line with what I posted above: they have their 4" line from Philly to Toms River (the NBM is closer to 276/195) and they say more is likely south of that line and then snowfall amounts will decrease north of that line, with areas N of 78 likely well below advisory criterion (which is 3", so reading between the lines, maybe 1-2" along 78 and 2-3" for most of CNJ. Also, trying DJ's accordion feature for the first time, as the discussion is long.



In addition, TWC has their 1" line roughly along 80 and their 3" line roughly just south of 276/195 (with 3-5" south of there and 5-8" in extreme SNJ), which is fairly close to the NBM map and what the NWS is now saying, while Channel 7 has a bit less than the NBM/TWC with the 1" line along 78 and they have a 3" line a little further south of 276/195 and 3-6" south of that line. Regardless, at least for CNJ, as of right now, a 1-3"/2-4" event is shaping up, depending on whose forecast you trust. Both maps are below.

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Flight out of Philly at 7 pm Monday. Change it?
 
Jeff Smith just said 1-3 cnj more south little or none north of cnj. He said take that with the grain of salt because it's too early
 
Flight out of Philly at 7 pm Monday. Change it?
Guessing it'll be over or at least lighter by late afternoon, but if Philly gets 4-6" through mid/late afternoon, as seems reasonably likely, it's hard to say what shape the airport would be in at 7 pm after some likely delays earlier there and upstream, plus they'll have temps <32F and some blowing snow possible. If there's no downside to changing it, I'd consider it.
 
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Jeff Smith just said 1-3 cnj more south little or none north of cnj. He said take that with the grain of salt because it's too early
Yes, I posted his map above. He'll up his snowfall forecast at 11 pm after seeing the 18Z runs. Pretty sure he'll have all of NYC in a 1-2" range and have CNJ in a 2-4" range. That's my guess, anyway.
 
I’m flying out of Newark at noon(ish). Figures.
At this point, Newark looks like 1-3" centered around noon; 1" likely wouldn't do much but 2-3" with temps in the 20s could lead to delays, plus the whole aviation network is going to be slammed Sunday night in the midwest and Monday in the mid-Atlantic, so even if there were no snow in EWR, there could be delays.
 
At this point, Newark looks like 1-3" centered around noon; 1" likely wouldn't do much but 2-3" with temps in the 20s could lead to delays, plus the whole aviation network is going to be slammed Sunday night in the midwest and Monday in the mid-Atlantic, so even if there were no snow in EWR, there could be delays.
Thanks. I’ve been on six flights in the last 2 weeks, so not looking forward to a higher probability of delays/cancellations.
 
Minor update: tonight's 18Z GFS, ICON and Euro continued to move the snow/precip shield further north putting CNJ potentially in line for 2-4" and NYC for 1-3" (or possibly more...or less), as per the updated NBM (model blend), below, which also saw a further increase on the northern side of the storm in response. The biggest change was the 2" line moving from about 78 to well north of 80, putting NYC squarely in the 1-3" range on the NBM (and CNJ in the 2-4" range). Still 3+ days out and we know a lot can happen in 3 days, so nothing is in stone yet, but we're getting closer, so major changes should be less likely than 2 days ago.

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If one were to convert 2-3” of snow to rain, what would that be? Most of NNJ and CNJ still in moderate drought, with SNJ largely in severe drought.
 
If one were to convert 2-3” of snow to rain, what would that be? Most of NNJ and CNJ still in moderate drought, with SNJ largely in severe drought.
@RU848789 is one of the many experts here on this, but I think a good general rule is a 10-1 ratio, so that two inches of snow equals about 0.2 inches of rain -- helpful, but certainly not enough to break a drought.
 
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@RU848789 is one of the many experts here on this, but I think a good general rule is a 10-1 ratio, so that two inches of snow equals about 0.2 inches of rain -- helpful, but certainly not enough to break a drought.
Yep, 10:1 ratio is a very good rule of thumb in these parts and we're expecting maybe 0.2-0.4" in CNJ and 0.4-0.6" in SNJ, according to the NWS Model Blend. Not a drought buster, but it helps and the drought has definitely eased some in NNJ/CNJ (just moderate drought now), but not in most of SNJ where it's still extreme drought with some severe drought.

https://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/CurrentMap/StateDroughtMonitor.aspx?Northeast

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