Bonnie's are pretty good and I would think they will bring a decent number of fans as the trip is not bad for them. It's a good match-up. The Big 10 is tough enough so it''not the end of the world.
Playing St. Bonaventure instead of South Carolina in Canada?
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Fool you with facts i guess....i posted this elsewhere, tell me how playing St Bonaventure makes sense.
Kenpom....South Carolina....70
Overall record of 16-16 last season...11-7 & tied with Final Four participating Auburn for 5th in the much improved SEC.
SC was 2-6 against AP or USA Today Top 25 opponents. All EIGHT of those games contributed to their Strength of schedule being much better and mixed with their 11 SEC wins, would raise the RU OOC profile as an opponent.
Kenpom....St Bona...........121
Last year, which is a huge factor on perception and SOS, here's St Bonaventure OOC last year.
Lost to Niagara 80-72
Lost to Boise State 72-52
Lost to Akron 61-49
Lost to Buffalo 80-62
Lost at Syracuse 81-48
Lost to George Mason 68-53
No Vegas sportsbook would favor St Bonaventure over South Carolina on a neutral court. They would probably be a slight underdog if the game was in Olean, NY.....they would be about 10 to 11 point underdogs if that matchup was at South Carolina.
South Carolina is miles better than St Bona and 2 appearances in the last 7 years for St Bonaventure doesn't make them a good program.
You either play a real road game or scrap this Toronto thing and play another game at the RAC. RU isn't going to make their NCAA resume by beating Seton Hall and St Bonaventure, it's going to happen by playing more competitive games in the B1G on the road and winning 7 out of 9 or 10 at the RAC against B1G opponents.
South Carolina definitely might stink next season. They were average last season and they're losing three starters including Chris Silva plus a key piece off the bench, and they're not bringing in any impact recruits.
By the way, for the "just perform well in the Big Ten" crowd: South Carolina went 11-7 in the SEC and wasn't even anywhere close to the bubble because their best OOC win was Coastal Carolina (not for lack of trying, they lost to Virginia, Michigan, Clemson, Wofford, and Providence, and had two unacceptable losses to Stony Brook and Wyoming).
So St. Bonaventure (who brings a lot back) may be better than South Carolina, but there's a certain cachet to beating an SEC team that isn't there with a second-tier A10 team.
The Bonnies are definitely the level of team we should be scheduling, but it should be in place of a team like Niagara or Bryant, not South Carolina.
By the way, for the "just perform well in the Big Ten" crowd: South Carolina went 11-7 in the SEC and wasn't even anywhere close to the bubble because their best OOC win was Coastal Carolina (not for lack of trying, they lost to Virginia, Michigan, Clemson, Wofford, and Providence, and had two unacceptable losses to Stony Brook and Wyoming).
So St. Bonaventure (who brings a lot back) may be better than South Carolina, but there's a certain cachet to beating an SEC team that isn't there with a second-tier A10 team.
The Bonnies are definitely the level of team we should be scheduling, but it should be in place of a team like Niagara or Bryant, not South Carolina.
Here are the number of Big 10 NCAA bids over the last 10 years:
8,4,7,7,7,6,7,6,7,5.
Not sure why some folks need to point to the one aberration year as proof of the need to schedule "up". There appears to be an 80% chance if you finish 6th or better in the league you get a bid. 60% chance if you finish 7th. Seems about right. I am fairly certain our HC understands his best path towards the next goal. And will schedule accordingly.
8,4,7,7,7,6,7,6,7,5.
Not sure why some folks need to point to the one aberration year as proof of the need to schedule "up". There appears to be an 80% chance if you finish 6th or better in the league you get a bid. 60% chance if you finish 7th. Seems about right. I am fairly certain our HC understands his best path towards the next goal. And will schedule accordingly.
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It was not just because their best OOC win was Coastal Carolina, but the fact they went 5-7 out of conference.
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LV lines are pretty close with kenpom and bart.
I'd think SB would be a slight favorite against USCe on a neutral site in mid November.
I think (or I'd like to think) the NCAA committee is name agnostic.
people around here are way to negative :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:. Everything happens for a reason and we will beat SB and they will finish the season much better than USCe and the win will look good.
I'd think SB would be a slight favorite against USCe on a neutral site in mid November.
I think (or I'd like to think) the NCAA committee is name agnostic.
people around here are way to negative :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:. Everything happens for a reason and we will beat SB and they will finish the season much better than USCe and the win will look good.
Sadly I think we went to having a win over a name program to a loss to a team that won’t look good perception wise no matter the reality
This is where I am on this...i think some fans are looking at this season as going off a cliff, with no chance to achieve the larger goal. Making the NIT is goal 1A and making the NCAA is goal 1.
If it doesn't happen in 2019-2020, we still on paper have the bulk of the roster intact that would be juniors and seniors and a 2020 recruiting class behind it to provide depth.
This is a 3 year window that could be extended to a much larger window of getting RU to a sustainable level of success....that means a .500 season is usually likely and the goal of 20+ wins is in reach every other year.
It is very difficult in the B1G to stay within thr 18 to 20 win range for 4 to 5 years in a row, without player development and depth. I don't see how playing Maryland twice, Michigan State, Ohio State and Iowa on the road, along with the gauntlet of B1G teams, suddenly isn't good enough. If RU wins a couple of those matchups and does well in OOC, they'll make enough noise to get in.
The B1G gained Fred Hoiberg in Nebraska and lost Beilien at Michigan. Every other HC is intact and there's very little to support the B1G having a down year.
