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A lot of us in March begged NJ to close it's border with NY via trains and busses when NY had major outbreaks , so I hear you.
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A lot of us in March begged NJ to close it's border with NY via trains and busses when NY had major outbreaks , so I hear you.
Only idiots who have no idea how viruses operate were saying that. Some of us absolutely knew that these states opened up too quickly and were doomed to see spikes without following the CDC metrics/guidelines, unlike most of the NE US states, which were hit much harder and were far more serious about following their own guidelines (similar to CDCs). Could have prevented the vast majority of all of this by requiring masks back in early April, rather than the weak "recommendations" that were issued by the CDC.
Thousands of lives could have been saved by requiring wearing a mask. Sounds familiar.
Yeah, WHO and the CDC told us not to wear them for months, SMH.
Wearing masks is only part of CV Prevention.
Avoiding crowds is another biggee
I can't imagine how bad the carnage would have been if the China travel ban wasn't set in January.
In NJ alone we'd be looking at over 30k victims. Especially since WHO and the CDC instructed people to not wear masks then. Saying it's selfish to get them.
Those are some dried up worms you got there. You need some fresh bait on that line.
You should embrace science and data more often.
Your personal political beliefs get in your way too often.
Wrong, CDC recommended face coverings on 4/2 and, of course, the POTUS inexplicably discouraged people from wearing the masks by saying, “This is voluntary. I don’t think I am going to be doing it.” The WHO was very late on masks. Some of us were ahead of the curve on this, though...
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...ventions-and-more.191275/page-14#post-4450962
It's funny you mention those states.
A well known physician touches on Southern states that are on the border
https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-at...to-protests-and-proximity-to-us-mexico-border
4/2 , VERY late.
They should have said it on 2/2
But, science tells us it's a new virus that got out of China, so the world was not prepared, including WHO, CDC, Cuomo, Murphy, Pepsi, Bird, Fauci, Trump, Schumer and everyone else.
Science and non-manipulated Data must decide policy now more than ever.
Reported deaths from March as new deaths today is an example of not being truthful with the public.
You're getting political, as usual.
How am I wrong?
I said months, February 1 to April 2 is months.
Please stop bringing politics into this thread.
Stick with science and data for the good of the thread.
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Great info, thanks for posting. Pfizer is confident and wants to move forward with as much control as possible. You never know until the large P3 trial starts to produce data, but Pfizer is not going to bluff their hand.
As per the public P1 data, which is a dose finding study, it works very well for that particular endpoint. Also, fevers could be a very minor AE that makes perfect sense (since you are introducing a virus into the body to generate antibodies).
Remember, the CEO knows all of the data and his response, spend $1B to start manufacturing the vaccine.
Ya, you never know till you know, and it is still months away, but I see Pfizer's actions here as a very good sign.
Looks like I just caught myself a snapper.
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Pfizer isn't going to risk $1B on a wish and a prayer. Plenty more work to do, but this is a good sign.
Better yet. Shut down your own towns. Only let people who live there stay within. No outsiders shopping riding through town. That will fix em.
I just don’t think many people will sign up for a vaccine that will give you a fever.
The T Cell reports coming out are interesting too.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...avirus-in-absence-of-antibodies-idUSKBN24B1D8
Do vaccines need to invoke a T Cell response as well as the neutralizing antibodies? If so, I wonder which vaccine candidates do this.
Are people with the right T Cell response immune from Covid without even needing the antibodies? If so, a lot more people would be protected against Covid and antibodies only lasting 3 months wouldn’t be a problem. May also explain all the asymptomatic people.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...avirus-in-absence-of-antibodies-idUSKBN24B1D8
Do vaccines need to invoke a T Cell response as well as the neutralizing antibodies? If so, I wonder which vaccine candidates do this.
Are people with the right T Cell response immune from Covid without even needing the antibodies? If so, a lot more people would be protected against Covid and antibodies only lasting 3 months wouldn’t be a problem. May also explain all the asymptomatic people.
LOL. So you can't produce any receipts about the 3-4+ week "lag" in daily hospitalization counts at the time of the Horowitz article I linked at least a month ago now. #Shocker. #Not.
Must be fun trying to craft timely public policy with such garbage data. Don't worry I know you can't respond substantively or honestly, "Greg"--it's OK for you to hide behind Numbers' skirt.
Facts they did not have PPE for 1st responders they are not going to tell everyone to wear masks when we couldn't outfit our hospitals with shit product that was ineffective
depends a lot on the type/severity/duration of the fever.
Very late????? it is recommended by the CDC that babies be born with masks as they exit the womb.
Still we have imbeciles in this country think wearing a mask has no impact on controlling COVID.
SMH
Also the slashing of the CDC budget last year certainly didn’t help with the situation we are now in.
Let's not forget about the I told you so's and saying what he feels and saying the CDC and other official agree with him instead of he agreeing with them. Not only that but he sticks in his political jabs with no repercussions. I waiting for his book to come out.
It will be interesting to see how many anti-vax wackos there are once a FDA-approved vaccine is available.
Shhhh, we can't challenge Numbers and his cheap political or personal jabs....my post addressing his ignoramus insults towards me has been removed. LOL
Connecticut and PA. gyms opened for a month with no issues. Come on Murph let’s go.
if masks are everything then why are gyms shuutered for good
No idea what you're talking about, but I've had posts deleted too and you didn't see me blaming you or whining about it to the board like a little girl. I suggest you either post appropriately or toughen up a little.
You know the answer. Gyms are an extremely high-risk environment. The government cannot require gyms to require masks (if they did you would be screaming bloody murder). So the result would be some gym-goers wearing masks, and many selfish people like yourself breathing heavily, indoors, without a mask.
It's literally a trillion dollar question and was why I chose this topic for the first post of the new thread. Somewhere around 50% of people who have never been exposed to the virus have T-cells that provide an immune response to SARS-CoV-2 in cell culture, very likely due to T-cell cross-reactivity stemming from exposure to other coronaviruses. Figuring out whether that confers none, little, some or complete immunity to COVID (and what it might mean for vaccines) is incalculably important.
I think you are too close to this to see it. Take your post about "some of us here" being out front on masks.. then linking to your post on March 14.
C'mon. Not necessary.. and not a good look. You could have said, Time Magazine has a piece on masks and they make a good point.. maybe we should be wearing them. And then, now, say.. Time Magazine was out front on masks.
On the other hand.. neither is pointing that out to you.. or mocking you for it. We should all be better than that. Like in your most recent post about T-cells... that is the kind of thing that adds value.. looking to assign blame does not... not unless you KNOW and have evidence why the CDC and FDA and Cuomo and others made the choices that mad.
Rooting for death? Not me no matter who wins the election. I’m rooting for this to go away or a cure be found.
Oh god. If you really think wearing masks would have been the difference you are a complete idiot. There are many reasons why there has been serious flaws in the actions taken and not taken. Wearing masks is at not at the top of the list. It's not even top 5.
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