Why do I have to pick one? Clearly you have an answer that you want to hear and won't settle for anything else. Here's a question for you... in your situation, where you have to be on site, would you rather spend your whole shift with or without a mask?
COVID-19 Pandemic: Transmissions, Deaths, Treatments, Vaccines, Interventions and More...
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I wonder what Brazil and the US have in common ?
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...entions-and-more.191275/page-132#post-4578542
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...entions-and-more.191275/page-132#post-4578649
As predicted 6 weeks ago and again last week, the CDC finally realized their infection fatality rate estimate of 0.4% (for symptomatic infections) and 0.25% for all infections including asymptomatics, which is the one everyone uses was too low and they've adjusted their "best guess" estimated overall IFR (including asymptomatics) to 0.65%, with an estimated range of 0.5-0.8%, which is very close to the 0.5-1.0% I've been predicting for months (since the NY antibody testing was done in early April, at least, revealing their IFR of about 1.1%, and this was before most epidemiologists were saying it - they're mostly estimating 0.5-1.0% now, as per the 2nd linked post above). I'd rather they were right, but they simply weren't factoring in the antibody testing data properly, IMO.
As per the 2nd to last post above, this is likely the last "inherent" IFR estimate, as we're now starting to see (I think) the impact of improved medical procedures and treatments on the IFR and we should expect the effective IFR to come down from here on out and especially once we have engineered antibodies and, of course, vaccines. But the 0.5-1.0% IFR range provides a good "worst case" planning tool for death estimates should we not practice interventions (like masking/distancing and testing, tracing and isolating) or if treatments/vaccines don't pan out as planned. And that is what gives us the crazy high potential of 0.9MM-2.6MM US deaths eventually, if 55-80% become infected with an IFR of 0.5-1.0%.
So, @T2Kplus10 - I assume you'll give up the low IFR estimate now and continue applauding the CDC for doing such a "good job" on this revision?
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...entions-and-more.191275/page-132#post-4578649
As predicted 6 weeks ago and again last week, the CDC finally realized their infection fatality rate estimate of 0.4% (for symptomatic infections) and 0.25% for all infections including asymptomatics, which is the one everyone uses was too low and they've adjusted their "best guess" estimated overall IFR (including asymptomatics) to 0.65%, with an estimated range of 0.5-0.8%, which is very close to the 0.5-1.0% I've been predicting for months (since the NY antibody testing was done in early April, at least, revealing their IFR of about 1.1%, and this was before most epidemiologists were saying it - they're mostly estimating 0.5-1.0% now, as per the 2nd linked post above). I'd rather they were right, but they simply weren't factoring in the antibody testing data properly, IMO.
As per the 2nd to last post above, this is likely the last "inherent" IFR estimate, as we're now starting to see (I think) the impact of improved medical procedures and treatments on the IFR and we should expect the effective IFR to come down from here on out and especially once we have engineered antibodies and, of course, vaccines. But the 0.5-1.0% IFR range provides a good "worst case" planning tool for death estimates should we not practice interventions (like masking/distancing and testing, tracing and isolating) or if treatments/vaccines don't pan out as planned. And that is what gives us the crazy high potential of 0.9MM-2.6MM US deaths eventually, if 55-80% become infected with an IFR of 0.5-1.0%.
So, @T2Kplus10 - I assume you'll give up the low IFR estimate now and continue applauding the CDC for doing such a "good job" on this revision?
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
Yup had already read that piece, however he doesn't discuss whether they have symptoms this go around and if they are severe. Just that they tested positive again.
Simple question any smart person can answer. Guess you are not in that category.
As for your question I can easily answer. And I have said it many times. I will only work with a mask and want customers to wear a mask PROPERLY.
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To be fair you said wearing a mask wasn’t in the top five. Social distancing in one. Masks are two with stopping this thing.
No I said it wasn't in the top 5 why other countries have done better than the US.
again talked to my friend in pharmaceuticals who works now as a sort of independant contractor globally after he worked for J&J and Bristol Myers, once again reiterated there is not going to be a vaccine for this anytime soon
Treatments not cures. A cure you get rid. Just because you get a flu shot does not mean you are guaranteed not to get the flu. AIDS is a virus That one has not been conquered yet...what are we going on like 25 or 30 yrs of that virus. I think like 30 mil have died from that virus
Bac just stating facts not opinion. Free weights in a gym have up to 362 times more bacteria than a toilet seat. You combine all that the bacteria flying around the gym with air conditioning and not alot of good outcomes can come from that. Would I still go to gym probably....but I have a bench, lat pull down machine , incline/decline bench, calf machine a dumbbell rack with weights from 5lbs to 85lbs in 5lb increments and about 2k lbs in free weights there is zero reason for me to go to gym
I'm confident as more data is accumulated they will return to the reasonable 0.25% benchmark. Cases are still way under counted and deaths are over counted.https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...entions-and-more.191275/page-132#post-4578542
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...entions-and-more.191275/page-132#post-4578649
As predicted 6 weeks ago and again last week, the CDC finally realized their infection fatality rate estimate of 0.4% (for symptomatic infections) and 0.25% for all infections including asymptomatics, which is the one everyone uses was too low and they've adjusted their "best guess" estimated overall IFR (including asymptomatics) to 0.65%, with an estimated range of 0.5-0.8%, which is very close to the 0.5-1.0% I've been predicting for months (since the NY antibody testing was done in early April, at least, revealing their IFR of about 1.1%, and this was before most epidemiologists were saying it - they're mostly estimating 0.5-1.0% now, as per the 2nd linked post above). I'd rather they were right, but they simply weren't factoring in the antibody testing data properly, IMO.
As per the 2nd to last post above, this is likely the last "inherent" IFR estimate, as we're now starting to see (I think) the impact of improved medical procedures and treatments on the IFR and we should expect the effective IFR to come down from here on out and especially once we have engineered antibodies and, of course, vaccines. But the 0.5-1.0% IFR range provides a good "worst case" planning tool for death estimates should we not practice interventions (like masking/distancing and testing, tracing and isolating) or if treatments/vaccines don't pan out as planned. And that is what gives us the crazy high potential of 0.9MM-2.6MM US deaths eventually, if 55-80% become infected with an IFR of 0.5-1.0%.
So, @T2Kplus10 - I assume you'll give up the low IFR estimate now and continue applauding the CDC for doing such a "good job" on this revision?
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
Pfizer, BioNTech’s coronavirus vaccines get FDA’s ‘fast track’ status
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/13/pfi...irus-vaccines-get-fdas-fast-track-status.html
Let's do this! :)
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/13/pfi...irus-vaccines-get-fdas-fast-track-status.html
Let's do this! :)
Terrible testing experience:
Been seeing stories about testing delays, making the tests basically useless. This is accurate. A friend got tested last Monday. Still no results a week later.
Now a personal story. I scheduled an apt at a CVS pretty far away for 3pm yesterday (only one available, all ones closer were full and 3pm was only available time at this location). Showed up at about 2:50 to a long drive-thru line. Line was moving slow so at about 3:30 gf went inside to ask if we should just leave, because the CVS closes at 4:30. Man inside was extremely rude, yelling at her to just wait in the car, that it’s a slow process, that I’d get my test. Got to the front of the line at exactly 4:30. They said no more testing today, you’d have to make another appt online. I said I’m not going anywhere, you told us to wait in line, argued back in forth. He said just make another appointment for tomorrow (there are none). We were getting nowhere, so I left.
Moral of the story this country is effed. Can’t get a test, and even when you get a test the results don’t come back until it’s too late. This virus has exposed this country for what we are to the rest of the world: a laughingstock.
Been seeing stories about testing delays, making the tests basically useless. This is accurate. A friend got tested last Monday. Still no results a week later.
Now a personal story. I scheduled an apt at a CVS pretty far away for 3pm yesterday (only one available, all ones closer were full and 3pm was only available time at this location). Showed up at about 2:50 to a long drive-thru line. Line was moving slow so at about 3:30 gf went inside to ask if we should just leave, because the CVS closes at 4:30. Man inside was extremely rude, yelling at her to just wait in the car, that it’s a slow process, that I’d get my test. Got to the front of the line at exactly 4:30. They said no more testing today, you’d have to make another appt online. I said I’m not going anywhere, you told us to wait in line, argued back in forth. He said just make another appointment for tomorrow (there are none). We were getting nowhere, so I left.
Moral of the story this country is effed. Can’t get a test, and even when you get a test the results don’t come back until it’s too late. This virus has exposed this country for what we are to the rest of the world: a laughingstock.
Every scientific paper that I have read, which have been cited above, indicated deaths are undercounted. What are the scientific papers that concluded that the deaths are overcounted?
If you don't think masks are that important, then why do you insist on wearing one? I thought it wasn't in your top 5 interventions?
Can't answer a question that is fundamentally flawed. It's not an either/or answer. Both are important. They are complementary.
Agreed,
Lets use an slightly different situation as an example - Pregnancy
We all know there is only one 100% guaranteed way to prevent pregnancy - abstinence.
If you can't abstain, then you need to wear a condom, which isn't perfect, but is 97% effective.
Many/most people are willing to wear a rubber if it allows them to avoid abstinence.
People should be willing to wear a mask if it allows them to avoid staying at home(the 100% guaranteed way to avoid Covid)
Why, because I don't agree? And all the guidelines also agree with me? And country's that have managed this crisis better than us also agree? Oh, but wait, the all knowing whitebus knows better than EVERYBODY. Next time you check a mirror, you'll see the idiot.
No because the question isn't flawed at all. You for some reason just won't answer a very simple question. You just want to argue. That makes you an idiot!
You're the one trying to argue. I have a reasonable, generally accepted answer, and you're trying to ask a question would contradict the nuanced answer. And seem to think by trying to be argumentative and demeaning, that you might get a different answer. That's being an idiot.
Go argue with someone else. Can't even answer a simple question. You act like a child.
A mother on my daughters basketball team's brother is one of the leading virologists in the world and the last I heard was by end of year....he originally said mid summer next year. Hes been on the news and worked under Fauci currently works for Walter Reed. I heard. 2nd hand from his sister so cannot confirm from his mouth
I would never inject a fast track drug into my system that would never happen in this lifetime. A true researched vaccine is almost a 2yr process
I had a county test last week. They called my home asking if anyone wanted a free test and gave the location. There were maybe 3-5 other people at the location. They asked a few questions on your cell phone and got your e mail address. It was the Rutgers test and you had to spit into a test tube. Afterward, they said you will get the test results in an email with 48 hrs. I got it the next day.
I went to my doctor last week. They did a complete bloodwork test for anything and everything. Was there at 4pm. 8am the next morning got all the results. My doctor is part of Penn Medicine group so I don't know if that helped. And it didn't cost me a penny.
Probably because someone is picking up that tab (insurance), I presume the lab tech isn't inundated with work like a lot of the Covid- testing places (speculating here).
I had my annual exam last week but when I tried to schedule my bloodwork at Labcorp the earliest appointment was in 3 weeks. I assumed it must have all the coronavirus testing.
Have insurance through the union with a version of Blue Cross. Usually require a small copay just for the visit and IIRC $10 for the complete bloodwork. Didn't have to pay any of it.
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