COVID-19 Pandemic: Transmissions, Deaths, Treatments, Vaccines, Interventions and More...

[fischy5000]

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A gas mask would probably work better. As someone who wears glasses or sunglasses much of the time, the fogging issue is real.

+1 on fogging (some of my masks do better than others though)....although we do get some built in eye protection out of this ;)

 

[RU-05]

Looks like Europe is losing containment. Spain getting hit again, many European countries trending upwards.

One thing I noticed is that we're still in wave 1 according to most epidemiologists. They keep saying "we need to prepare for wave 2". What the heck is wave 2 (COVID-20?) going to look like?

If immunity holds, plus masks and whatever social distancing we are practicing, plus treatment, it won't be nearly as bad. Even compared to what we are now seeing in FL, TX, CA.

 

[RUJohnny]

Looks like Europe is losing containment. Spain getting hit again, many European countries trending upwards.

One thing I noticed is that we're still in wave 1 according to most epidemiologists. They keep saying "we need to prepare for wave 2". What the heck is wave 2 (COVID-20?) going to look like?

I don't understand the rationale of "2nd wave." The best I've heard is that Covid spread will occur during flu season when the healthcare system already is pressured. but if everyone is wearing masks, how do we have anything other than a below average flu season? Another argument is that there is a seasonality to it and if that's true why are the southern states getting wrecked in high summer?

The only argument that I know holds water is that were all getting driven inside in winter and that's where spread has a better chance of occuring.

 

[RUJohnny]

New positives back down to 261, booyah, moving average ftw. There is no case rise currently in NJ.

 

[RU848789]

NYC and other hard hit areas have reached or are close to reaching herd immunity.

Based on what? NYC numbers range from 15% with antibodies in Staten Island to 32% in the Bronx (as of the mid-June serological survey by the State) and on a neighborhood level, some parts of the Bronx have 40-60% infected, while parts of Brooklyn have only about 10% infected. Most epidemiologists think herd immunity will be at 55-80% infected, although cross-reactivity (partial to complete immunity to COVID based on previous infections from other coronaviruses, which is possible, but not proven yet) could significantly lower than number.

https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...entions-and-more.191275/page-180#post-4610707

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

Looks like Europe is losing containment. Spain getting hit again, many European countries trending upwards.

One thing I noticed is that we're still in wave 1 according to most epidemiologists. They keep saying "we need to prepare for wave 2". What the heck is wave 2 (COVID-20?) going to look like?

Ride the wave

May never get a break, may just burn out with a vaccine and herd eventually

 

[Tango Two]

The Coronavirus Seems to Spare Most Kids From Illness, but Its Effect on Their Mental Health Is Deepening


Pandemics can be indiscriminate, with viruses making no distinctions among the victims they attack and those they spare. If you’re human, you’ll do. COVID-19 has been different, particularly when it comes to age. The disease has shown a special animus for older people, with those 65-plus considered at especially high risk for hospitalization and death, and those 18 and below catching a semblance of an epidemiological break. Though a small share of adolescents have suffered severe cases, most who contract the disease in that age cohort are likelier to experience milder symptoms or none at all.

But if COVID-19 is sparing most kids’ bodies, it’s not being so kind to their minds. Nobody is immune to the stress that comes with a pandemic and related quarantining. Children, however, may be at particular risk. Living in a universe that is already out of their control, they can become especially shaken when the verities they count on to give the world order–the rituals in their lives, the very day-to-dayness of living–get blown to bits.


https://time.com/5870478/children-mental-health-coronavirus

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

When the US govt stops/slows pumping trillions in to the economy it is going to be worse than folks comprehend.

"Wages and salaries fell sharply in April, but that was more than offset by the $1,200 relief payments that the government sent to most adults and by supplemental unemployment benefits of $600 per week.

Those government payments helped prevent an even steeper drop in consumer spending — the lifeblood of the U.S. economy — and allowed struggling families to buy groceries and pay rent."

https://www.npr.org/sections/corona...witter.com&utm_campaign=npr&utm_medium=social

Just for the record, that 32.9% US Q2 drop is annualized, Germany's economy was even worse cratering by a 34.7% annualized rate in its second quarter.

 

[RUJohnny]

Based on what? NYC numbers range from 15% with antibodies in Staten Island to 32% in the Bronx (as of the mid-June serological survey by the State) and on a neighborhood level, some parts of the Bronx have 40-60% infected, while parts of Brooklyn have only about 10% infected. Most epidemiologists think herd immunity will be at 55-80% infected, although cross-reactivity (partial to complete immunity to COVID based on previous infections from other coronaviruses, which is possible, but not proven yet) could significantly lower than number.

https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...entions-and-more.191275/page-180#post-4610707

That's what the paper abstract says, not my opinion.

 

[RUJohnny]

The Coronavirus Seems to Spare Most Kids From Illness, but Its Effect on Their Mental Health Is Deepening


Pandemics can be indiscriminate, with viruses making no distinctions among the victims they attack and those they spare. If you’re human, you’ll do. COVID-19 has been different, particularly when it comes to age. The disease has shown a special animus for older people, with those 65-plus considered at especially high risk for hospitalization and death, and those 18 and below catching a semblance of an epidemiological break. Though a small share of adolescents have suffered severe cases, most who contract the disease in that age cohort are likelier to experience milder symptoms or none at all.

But if COVID-19 is sparing most kids’ bodies, it’s not being so kind to their minds. Nobody is immune to the stress that comes with a pandemic and related quarantining. Children, however, may be at particular risk. Living in a universe that is already out of their control, they can become especially shaken when the verities they count on to give the world order–the rituals in their lives, the very day-to-dayness of living–get blown to bits.


https://time.com/5870478/children-mental-health-coronavirus

My now five year old daughter is regressing emotionally and socially, having only interacted with her 2 year old brother for almost 5 months now. It's a problem.

 

[RU848789]

Now do NY and NJ horrific results while you blast Fla and Tx everyday

Are you forgetting my multiple daily posts on NY/NJ for about 2 months, showing how bad it was? What about my many posts warning that way too many states were reopening prematurely without having met the CDC's criteria (or NY/NJ's which were even stricter) and that this was likely to result in serious outbreaks as bad as we've had here? I'm posting now about FL/TX/CA/AZ because they're what's currently news in the pandemic, especially the first three, as our most populous states.

LETSGO said it very well, below, and I've said similar: since we had no testing of significance until mid-March, we had no idea how bad our outbreak was and it was far worse here than anywhere else due to the far greater level of infected travelers from Europe, combined with our very high population/commuter density. We reached our peak in cases/day in early April, when we still were well underserved in testing as our positivity rates were in the 40-50% range. So yes, we had horrible outcomes - the worst, per capita, in the world - but much of it was beyond our control.

These other states could have learned from our experience, but they mostly did not. But they at least had testing in place to know where their outbreaks were worst and their elderly have been able to stay out of harm's way better (pretty much everyone got infected all at once here) so that their outbreaks have much greater percentages of young people, plus they have had the advantages of significantly improved medical procedures and pharmaceutical treatments, all of which is why I've been saying their per capita death rates will likely be only 1/3-2/3 of what ours were

Two completely different scenarios, but either way, there has been plenty of discussion on NJ/NY 's numbers on these boards. This virus was dropped into the lap of the tri-state area and the virus was circulating unknowingly in the densest area of the country. FL, TX, AZ, etc. had the benefit to digest what was happening here and make their own decisions based on that information. Not only were their responses inadequate in many people's eyes, but they lifted their restrictions way too early. Their lower population densities are helping them, but they took a chance and are paying the price. Meanwhile, NJ/NY/CT reversed a pretty bad situation in each of their respective states.

 

[m1ipabrams]

My now five year old daughter is regressing emotionally and socially, having only interacted with her 2 year old brother for almost 5 months now. It's a problem.

My suggestion would be to pod with the family of a friend of your daughter. This is essentially what we did for my 15 yo son. He and his best friend(and his best friend's family) are now part of a pod. This is isn't just "casual dating", your pod needs to be exclusive, meaning that the other family can't be doing the same thing with others.

 

[LETSGORU91]

Lol I have that person on ignore and didn’t see you quoting him so it just looked like you were responding solely to me. And no I don’t pay attention to the WHO or the CDC for that matter. Have a wonderful day yourself.

I was thinking you might have had him on ignore and that could have been the problem. All is good.

 

[Joey Bags]

I don't understand the rationale of "2nd wave." The best I've heard is that Covid spread will occur during flu season when the healthcare system already is pressured. but if everyone is wearing masks, how do we have anything other than a below average flu season? Another argument is that there is a seasonality to it and if that's true why are the southern states getting wrecked in high summer?

The only argument that I know holds water is that were all getting driven inside in winter and that's where spread has a better chance of occuring.

It's interesting you mention the flu. The lockdowns have effectively wiped out the flu in the southern hemisphere where it is currently flu season. Many hospitals in counties being hammered in South America were fearing the flu season, but once winter rolled along the normal flu surge was nonexistent.

So it looks like mask wearing and distancing will neutralize any potential flu complications to COVID care, which is great news.

Was also wondering if the pandemic is going to wipe out the common cold as well.

 

[T2Kplus10]

My now five year old daughter is regressing emotionally and socially, having only interacted with her 2 year old brother for almost 5 months now. It's a problem.

+1
It's a real problem for many children. Get them back into school ASAP! So blessed that my daughter's school will be open 5 days a week with synced up live streaming of classes for those that want to stay home. Gives us the flexibility we need.

 

[Greg2020]

And a several year battle with colon cancer.

No, he was cancer free for many years.

 

[fsg2]

My now five year old daughter is regressing emotionally and socially, having only interacted with her 2 year old brother for almost 5 months now. It's a problem.

You could have her play with friends, no?

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

This is nonsense. He’s not a doctor or an infectious disease specialist. The experts failed us badly thanks in no small part to China. The Who was giving bad advice on masks as recently as a couple of weeks ago. Trump should have been clairvoyant I guess.

^^^^can't like this enough

 

[Tango Two]

Taller people face higher risk of catching COVID-19, survey says


People over six feet tall are more than twice as likely to be diagnosed with the coronavirus, the results of a new survey reveal.

https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/taller-people-face-higher-risk-of-catching-covid-19-survey-says

 

[LETSGORU91]

Excuses excuses. NJ did a horrible job protecting the elderly. Almost criminal. Had nothing to do with density.

You are really good at twisting words to fit whatever agenda you are trying to accomplish. When I referenced density, there was no mention about the elderly. So why even bring it up? But since you are so bent on bringing up the care of the elderly every chance you get, can you please answer my question? Given the lack of open hospital beds (which I addressed before) and an influx of patients to the ERs, what solution would you propose to accomodate care for all? Nursing homes ware an option to help provide care for the elderly and open up space for incoming patients. I know sending them back was not the optimal choice, but in places such as Italy's hospitals, choices were made to provide no care for the elderly and very sick in favor of putting resources towards those likely to have a better survival rate. Would that have been a better option for you? How would you have accomplished treating the elderly given the parameters I laid out for you?

 

[RUBOB72]

My now five year old daughter is regressing emotionally and socially, having only interacted with her 2 year old brother for almost 5 months now. It's a problem.

Taller people face higher risk of catching COVID-19, survey says


People over six feet tall are more than twice as likely to be diagnosed with the coronavirus, the results of a new survey reveal.

https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/taller-people-face-higher-risk-of-catching-covid-19-survey-says

well I guess many sports will be stopped . Many athletes over 6’0” ... wait that has got to be BS

 

[m1ipabrams]

Taller people face higher risk of catching COVID-19, survey says


People over six feet tall are more than twice as likely to be diagnosed with the coronavirus, the results of a new survey reveal.

https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/taller-people-face-higher-risk-of-catching-covid-19-survey-says

Just reinforces that this was planned by the chinese to take out the US.

 

[WhiteBus]

You are really good at twisting words to fit whatever agenda you are trying to accomplish. When I referenced density, there was no mention about the elderly. So why even bring it up? But since you are so bent on bringing up the care of the elderly every chance you get, can you please answer my question? Given the lack of open hospital beds (which I addressed before) and an influx of patients to the ERs, what solution would you propose to accomodate care for all? Nursing homes ware an option to help provide care for the elderly and open up space for incoming patients. I know sending them back was not the optimal choice, but in places such as Italy's hospitals, choices were made to provide no care for the elderly and very sick in favor of putting resources towards those likely to have a better survival rate. Would that have been a better option for you? How would you have accomplished treating the elderly given the parameters I laid out for you?

First of all its hog wash they had no place to send except back to the nursing home. Most hospitals had tremendous strains on the emergency and ICU unit but most were far from room capacity. There were no nonessential procedures going on. In addition many places other than NJ used large spaces like convention centers, arenas etc and built temporary centers quickly to handle overflow. While North Jersey was overcome with Covid South Jersey was not. Empty hospitals unused. To throw your hands up in the air and say "oh well there nothing we can do "is a horrible excuse. Sending them back was not an optimal?? It was the worse thing to do. We already knew how this virus spread and returning sick people to nursing home was a death sentence for many who weren't sick.

 

[Wolv RU]

My now five year old daughter is regressing emotionally and socially, having only interacted with her 2 year old brother for almost 5 months now. It's a problem.

It is a huge problem not enough appreciated by the government or the general public. If this goes on too long there is going to be a serious question as to how the development of all of these kids has been affected. Fortunately, our daycare reopened six weeks ago, and we sent our kids back on day 1. When it first opened, it was probably 50% of its normal capacity, but now it is near 80%. I suspect the attendance decrease is due to employment issues among the parents and not fear of covid. I'd add that this is a pretty diverse daycare both among staff and the kids, and also the entire staff decided to come back rather than stay home.

This is probably how schools would work for at least kids under 10 if parents and teachers were given a similar free choice. I'm one of the fortunate ones to have kids younger than school age, but a much larger group is not so lucky.

 

[RobertG]

Just reinforces that this was planned by the chinese to take out the US.

This was apparently the Japanese strategy back in the 80s.

 

[LETSGORU91]

First of all its hog wash they had no place to send except back to the nursing home. Most hospitals had tremendous strains on the emergency and ICU unit but most were far from room capacity. There were no nonessential procedures going on. In addition many places other than NJ used large spaces like convention centers, arenas etc and built temporary centers quickly to handle overflow. While North Jersey was overcome with Covid South Jersey was not. Empty hospitals unused. To throw your hands up in the air and say oh well is a horrible excuse.

Great word twisting once again. Find any of my posts where I said there was nothing else that could be done. And I never threw up my hands and said oh well either. Another one of your incorrect assumptions. I said it was an option that provided care.

 

[RUinPinehurst]

The N.C. Department of Health and Human Services on Thursday reported an additional 2,344 cases of the virus, up from 1,763 the day before. The total is near the record 2,481 cases reported July 18.

When will NC's next "Stay At Home" order be issued? How many new cases per day will it take? Anyone?

 

[WhiteBus]

Great word twisting once again. Find any of my posts where I said there was nothing else that could be done. And I never threw up my hands and said oh well either. Another one of your incorrect assumptions. I said it was an option that provided care.

But you fail to admit it wasn't the only option and all others were better.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

+1
It's a real problem for many children. Get them back into school ASAP! So blessed that my daughter's school will be open 5 days a week with synced up live streaming of classes for those that want to stay home. Gives us the flexibility we need.

A plexi glass separation between the teachers desk/podium and students, with students' desks 6ft+ apart should be a workable configuration with some split class sessions set-up. #OpenUpOurSchools

 

[richthedentist]

A plexi glass separation between the teachers desk/podium and students, with students' desks 6ft+ apart should be a workable configuration with some split class sessions set-up. #OpenUpOurSchools

you can't get enough kids into a room with desks 6 feet apart; my friend is a principal and he did the configuration with desks 6 feet apart and only got 9 desks into the room; so even a hybrid/split class session doesn't work and what about lunch, bussing etc. with a hybrid or split sessions you have to run the busses twice very costly

 

[RUevolution36]

You are really good at twisting words to fit whatever agenda you are trying to accomplish. When I referenced density, there was no mention about the elderly. So why even bring it up? But since you are so bent on bringing up the care of the elderly every chance you get, can you please answer my question? Given the lack of open hospital beds (which I addressed before) and an influx of patients to the ERs, what solution would you propose to accomodate care for all? Nursing homes ware an option to help provide care for the elderly and open up space for incoming patients. I know sending them back was not the optimal choice, but in places such as Italy's hospitals, choices were made to provide no care for the elderly and very sick in favor of putting resources towards those likely to have a better survival rate. Would that have been a better option for you? How would you have accomplished treating the elderly given the parameters I laid out for you?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/karenr...-who-gets-aggressive-covid-care/#17e27460405b

Texas is creating death panels...

 

[fsg2]

It is a huge problem not enough appreciated by the government or the general public. If this goes on too long there is going to be a serious question as to how the development of all of these kids has been affected. Fortunately, our daycare reopened six weeks ago, and we sent our kids back on day 1. When it first opened, it was probably 50% of its normal capacity, but now it is near 80%. I suspect the attendance decrease is due to employment issues among the parents and not fear of covid. I'd add that this is a pretty diverse daycare both among staff and the kids, and also the entire staff decided to come back rather than stay home.

This is probably how schools would work for at least kids under 10 if parents and teachers were given a similar free choice. I'm one of the fortunate ones to have kids younger than school age, but a much larger group is not so lucky.

I am curious as to how you believe it could affect your kids. If they were home from daycare, they'd essentially be living the same way as peers who don't go to daycare (or right now, peers who attend daycare but not in summer). Plenty people see daycare as the wrong way to go to begin with.

Genuinely curious, not arguing. Our daycare shut down the entire time, could not get the resources it needed to meet distancing requirements (mostly more space) and ended up closing for good rather rapidly about a week ago. So now we're holding that bag a couple weeks before summer's end (maybe) trying to figure what's best from here.

 

[RU-05]

A plexi glass separation between the teachers desk/podium and students, with students' desks 6ft+ apart should be a workable configuration with some split class sessions set-up. #OpenUpOurSchools

I don't think 6' seperation is really possible in most schools, in general I don't know how feasible it is to keep kid's apart. Bussing is part of that too.

I think you acknowledge kids will be in close contact and will likely catch the virus, and as an extension of that there are 2 main questions.

Will kid's get sick in significant #'s?

&

Can we keep Teachers and other schools workers(and again busses) from catching it? And I know maybe kids aren't really spreaders, but I don't think that is near settled yet.

 

[fsg2]

I don't think 6' seperation is really possible in most schools, in general I don't know how feasible it is to keep kid's apart. Bussing is part of that too.

I think you acknowledge kids will be in close contact and will likely catch the virus, and as an extension of that there are 2 main questions.

Will kid's get sick in significant #'s?

&

Can we keep Teachers and other schools workers(and again busses) from catching it? And I know maybe kids aren't really spreaders, but I don't think that is near settled yet.

A third question: Will schoolchildren create a disrupting wave beyond just faculty (I.e. infecting parents and other family members). It's a potentially huge flood valve.

 

[tom1944]

I have a question about schools reopening and the issue with central heating and cooling systems. If it is true that these systems spread the virus should schools shut those systems and use room heaters or ac in there place?

 

[PaKnight]

I don't think 6' seperation is really possible in most schools, in general I don't know how feasible it is to keep kid's apart. Bussing is part of that too.

I think you acknowledge kids will be in close contact and will likely catch the virus, and as an extension of that there are 2 main questions.

Will kid's get sick in significant #'s?

&

Can we keep Teachers and other schools workers(and again busses) from catching it? And I know maybe kids aren't really spreaders, but I don't think that is near settled yet.

From what I have read, children under 10 are less likely to spread, 10 - 19 spread as much as adults.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

I don't think 6' seperation is really possible in most schools, in general I don't know how feasible it is to keep kid's apart. Bussing is part of that too.

I think you acknowledge kids will be in close contact and will likely catch the virus, and as an extension of that there are 2 main questions.

Will kid's get sick in significant #'s?

&

Can we keep Teachers and other schools workers(and again busses) from catching it? And I know maybe kids aren't really spreaders, but I don't think that is near settled yet.

AM/PM classes, use the gym/lunchrooms etc, since I presume there would be no in person P/E classes or lunches. A good number of catholic schools are shutdown permanently so perhaps renting space in those buildings is an option. We have to make it work for the kids, plus in allowing parents to get to jobs as needed.

 

[fsg2]

AM/PM classes, use the gym/lunchrooms etc, since I presume there would be no in person P/E classes or lunches. A good number of catholic schools are shutdown permanently so perhaps renting space in those buildings is an option. We have to make it work for the kids, plus in allowing parents to get to jobs as needed.

How do am/pm classes work for allowing parents to get to their jobs? Who's paying to rent out entirely new schools?

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

How do am/pm classes work for allowing parents to get to their jobs? Who's paying to rent out entirely new schools?

Of course it's not perfect, but allows for more flexibility, not unlike the alternate day sessions some schools are planning. I would suspect only some classrooms in shutdown schools would be needed--not the entire building, maybe won't even need that extra space if the alternate day/split sessions are sufficient. It's time to be creative.

 

[fsg2]

Of course it's not perfect, but allows for more flexibility, not unlike the alternate day sessions some schools are planning. I would suspect only some classrooms in shutdown schools would be needed--not the entire building, maybe won't even need that extra space if the alternate day/split sessions are sufficient. It's time to be creative.

They're already being creative but part of that creativity is going to be distance learning.