OT: 2019-20 NY Mets Offseason "Hot Stove" Thread
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I’m going blank on the 2 Phillies...I know Wheeler but he was over paid by 18-20 mil... who else?
Yes I think we are fine at CF. Going into the offseason I would have went BP BP BP and then backup C. Letting Wheeler go is a joke but I can't spend their money. Wacha stinks real bad but I do think Porcello will be fine as the 5. Problem is Matz is really a 5 also. deGrom, Noah, Stroman 1-3 is more than good. Still hate all the trades BVW made last year except for Davis but apparently Guttridge really made him do that.
Nimmo with a full season will outperform Marte offensively.
Nimmo vs Marte- hope so...including on bases and in field... but Marte is pretty much a lock for what he does...
NYP reporting that Cespedes is only guaranteed $6M this year. He gets another $5M if he's not on the IL on opening day.
Would love to be able to get some value for him. It’s a long shot that we regret it. He’s an old, lazy drama queen.
Chris Mazza, who was DFA'd to make room for Wacha, was claimed on waivers by Boston. So he's gone.
Steven Nogosek, who was DFA'd to make room for Porcello, cleared waivers and re-signed as a nonroster player. So he's not gone.
Steven Nogosek, who was DFA'd to make room for Porcello, cleared waivers and re-signed as a nonroster player. So he's not gone.
I am hoping Nimmo would be the same but as much as I love him, just not enough body of work to make that assumption.
Outside of age, is it the contract or that we may have to give up more than Nimmo to get Marte. Because outside of walks, I don't see Nimmo having an advantage in any other part of his game.
As for Cepedes, if he does make opening day fully recovered, I can see him starting out for a couple of weeks slow where we all want puke, but then see him get very hot as weather warms up. He seems to be 100% the guy who would have a monster year on his walk year. He finally has a lot of motivation to do well.
You know- I am going through the "players" in our division. And keep telling myself that we are a notch below the Braves, Nats, Phillies because it seems everyone says we are.
But, I am struggling to see such a big gap.
Braves- everyone talks about their lineup from top to bottom. But losing Donaldson, the have 3 stars at the top Freeman, Acuna, Albies and then a bunch of guys that aren't that different then out non "star" players. Same with Phillies and Nats.
I see us with McNeil, Conforto and Alonso - and Davis not that far behind, if he even is. We complete the rest of our lineup with Rosario, Nimmo, Ramos, Cano
Cano and Nimmo with really strong play after both came back from injury. Our starters still compare or is better and while our BP did stink- we were not the only ones with that problem.
Even our bench isnt that bad when you start it with guys like Smith and Lowrey.
But, I am struggling to see such a big gap.
Braves- everyone talks about their lineup from top to bottom. But losing Donaldson, the have 3 stars at the top Freeman, Acuna, Albies and then a bunch of guys that aren't that different then out non "star" players. Same with Phillies and Nats.
I see us with McNeil, Conforto and Alonso - and Davis not that far behind, if he even is. We complete the rest of our lineup with Rosario, Nimmo, Ramos, Cano
Cano and Nimmo with really strong play after both came back from injury. Our starters still compare or is better and while our BP did stink- we were not the only ones with that problem.
Even our bench isnt that bad when you start it with guys like Smith and Lowrey.
Good pick up BVW. Heres hoping the Mets will have the 2018 version of Diaz, Familia, and Betances.
https://www.mlb.com/news/dellin-betances-mets-deal
https://www.mlb.com/news/dellin-betances-mets-deal
Well, Dellin had a good career. It was a nice ride. Onwards to the graveyard of relievers.
Same for Gerritt Cole.
Yet you cried he was another in the long list of woe is me injuries the Yankees suffered this past season,lol.
Great decision by both sides. DB knows how to handle NY, it’s a 1 year audition to prove he is healthy for next year.
Great for Mets for the same reason. If he comes back full strength and we have him, Lugo, Wilson...then Gsell and all hopes that Familia is back to just his normal self which is under 3.00 and Diaz closer to 18 than 19, then this team is shaping up. We also have either Matz or Wacha who would be there too.
Right now, as built- we should be about an 88 win team. But I have a feeling we may see Noah step it up, last 10 or so Stroman starts also were impressive, deGrom is well, deGrom and hopefully a full season for McNeil and Davis and Rosario’s 2nd half. It should be a fun year waiting on Betts for 2021...lol
Great for Mets for the same reason. If he comes back full strength and we have him, Lugo, Wilson...then Gsell and all hopes that Familia is back to just his normal self which is under 3.00 and Diaz closer to 18 than 19, then this team is shaping up. We also have either Matz or Wacha who would be there too.
Right now, as built- we should be about an 88 win team. But I have a feeling we may see Noah step it up, last 10 or so Stroman starts also were impressive, deGrom is well, deGrom and hopefully a full season for McNeil and Davis and Rosario’s 2nd half. It should be a fun year waiting on Betts for 2021...lol
Hey, we have some fans that wouldn’t go Nimmo for Marte straight up. Do that any and all day.
And if we can’t move Smith and Lowrey- that is the start of a spectacular bench
Please help me out on this one...Marte has been a very steady above average to good player since he came up and last year was his best. Nimmo has yet to have even a single season as good as Marte's normal year.
Nimmo is younger, cheaper, walks more and a Met...EVERYTHING else is on Marte's side.
I love the guy but there is ZERO to back up your statement.
Wheelers not worth the contract he got. Congrats to him. I chuckled when Phillies said they are pencilling him in for more than 200 innings. Good thing they used pencil because he has never thrown 200+ innings in a season.
I'll try to explain better but you are downplaying the walks big time while also downplaying his age and career upside. Throw in the money and Nimmo is such a more valuable piece. Nimmo's 2018 is better than any year Marte has ever put together. I'll try to do a better stat breakdown this weekend.
So- if you get into OPS and OPS+ which are good stats- you are correct. But, on the other hand- those don't mean squat if it doesn't turn into runs.
Again, I really like Nimmo but he has not proven anything yet and has been wildly inconsistent. I would love to see him have another year like 2018 but he hasn't yet. Marte has been very consistent his whole career.
And if Nimmo has proven to be better, why is almost every baseball expert talking about the greatest Met's need outside of RP is a quality CF. And why in any world would they be talking about platooning Nimmo with the career 4/5th outfielder they just picked up?
And I am not downplaying age or $$$. Those are big factors.
One of the things that stands out to me about BVW- his big statement when hired was to eliminate "IF"
But he has created a team that is a huge "IF" at almost every position...
If Noah, Stroman, Wacha, Matz or Porcella pitch up to their capabilities. IF Betences, Familia and Diaz pitch to their 2018 form. If Alonso has another monster year, If Rosario has finally become an elite SS. If Cano can have a good year. If at CF, If Davis has another big year. If Beltran can manage
But he has created a team that is a huge "IF" at almost every position...
If Noah, Stroman, Wacha, Matz or Porcella pitch up to their capabilities. IF Betences, Familia and Diaz pitch to their 2018 form. If Alonso has another monster year, If Rosario has finally become an elite SS. If Cano can have a good year. If at CF, If Davis has another big year. If Beltran can manage
Nimmo gets on base at a huge clip and has power potential similar to Marte. If the guys behind him don't drive him in that's not his fault.
I don't care what the baseball "experts" are saying in the media because they know less than you and I do. They say it's a need more because of defensive purposes and Nimmo can definitely hold his own there and they already added Marisnick as well to cover in late defensive innings so Marte doesn't make sense in that regard. "They" talking about platooning is a mistake Nimmo should get 90% of the AB's.
At the start of any season you can say if with every team. Performance for upcoming season is never a given (except for Patriots).
Whether or not CF was a need is very arguable. I actually leaned toward it not being a need.
But now that Marte is in the mix I think he has the edge on the starting position.
Which then could push Nimmo to a corner of spot. Which then could push Davis to 3rd?
Nimmo Marte Conforto is a good fielding OF. Not sure about Davis at 3rd, but he is not a good outfielder.
Really unsure as to how this will shake out. Right now the only spots up for grabs are OF spots if you pencil in McNeil for 3rd base. Conforto gets one spot but then you have to pick between Davis, Nimmo, Ces and Lowrie. If Ces is healthy he plays LF. Nimmo is really our only choice for CF. That leaves Davis and Lowrie on the bench. I really want to see if Davis is a player but he has to get at bats.
If you put Davis at 3rd, then McNeil has to play RF, Conforto goes to center and its either Ces or Lowrie for left. Not sure Nimmo can play left effectively but he also needs ab's to see if he can progress. The Mets have created a log jam here. Either Nimmo or Davis probably has to go to get another bull pen arm.
If you put Davis at 3rd, then McNeil has to play RF, Conforto goes to center and its either Ces or Lowrie for left. Not sure Nimmo can play left effectively but he also needs ab's to see if he can progress. The Mets have created a log jam here. Either Nimmo or Davis probably has to go to get another bull pen arm.
Exactly, Cano , Alonso and Rosario play everyday. Conforto plays everyday. McNeil has to play everyday either in RF or 3rd. McNeil playing 3rd means Davis in LF and Conforto in RF. There is no room for Marte and Nimmo both. It has to be one or the other.
