OT: B1G additions

[RUTGERS95]

couple of things;
clemson is no
uva is a long long shot and not even top 4 target
those saying fsu cheapens the product, we have nebraska and oregon which are way worse

nd, unc, fsu and then it doesn't really matter and is only filler for mkts.

 

[RUsundevil]

Clemson is nouveau riche, has begun to lose their luster, is in a small market and state, and lifts right out. Agreed their best bet is Big 12 after the ACC collapses.

 

[DJ Spanky]

I realize many prefer non-news sources for their news, but are there any actual news sources reporting this?

I know this makes me old fashioned, but content creators, by definition, create content. I just can't wrap my head around the idea that created content = news.

But, but, but, but...............it was on Twitter. It's gotta be true!!!

 

[JayDogSmooth]

Name me a Big 10 school that doesn't have at least 2 of those. I think most have 3.

Most do have 2, if not 3
Lax is likely the next sport they’ll add
Money is needed for that
No money in the ACC
Meanwhile, I think football (top 20 brand & screwed out of playoffs), soccer (batting) & the others more than makes up

 

[JayDogSmooth]

But, but, but, but...............it was on Twitter. It's gotta be true!!!

Tallahassee Democrat is also reporting it

This was widely talked about last weekend in Charlotte - and that was before the playoff snub

I can only imagine (and have heard) the whispers have increased significantly since Sunday

 

[Knight Shift]

Tallahassee Democrat is also reporting it

This was widely talked about last weekend in Charlotte - and that was before the playoff snub

I can only imagine (and have heard) the whispers have increased significantly since Sunday

There is no such thing as a Tallahassee Democrat. Fake news! 😝

 

[JayDogSmooth]

There is no such thing as a Tallahassee Democrat. Fake news! 😝

Lol
I assume you’re joking KS

 

[satnom]

Tallahassee Democrat is also reporting it

This was widely talked about last weekend in Charlotte - and that was before the playoff snub

I can only imagine (and have heard) the whispers have increased significantly since Sunday

Tal Dem Linky

GO RU

 

[lakejj]

Lot of smoke Bac

I heard a lot of the same sentiments last weekend in Charlotte, and that was before the hose job

Don't listen to that Dope, JayDog. He has one useful post a year.

 

[ru109]

I don't get the love affair with UNC or UVA. Neither of these schools more the needle in regards to football, and lets be honest here football drives the bus. I see people mentioning lax, or wrestling or other sports, who really cares about them. Do people watch 2 or 3 hour pregame shows for any other sport but football? If FSU wants to join the BIG I say the BIG should give them a loan if they need it and welcome them with open arms.

 

[koleszar]

I don't get the love affair with UNC or UVA. Neither of these schools more the needle in regards to football, and lets be honest here football drives the bus. I see people mentioning lax, or wrestling or other sports, who really cares about them. Do people watch 2 or 3 hour pregame shows for any other sport but football? If FSU wants to join the BIG I say the BIG should give them a loan if they need it and welcome them with open arms.

It's not a competitiveness thing, it's a money thing. Presidents are not going to vote someone in to take less. ESPN told the ACC to go for the competitiveness thing and see how that's worked out. UNC and UVA TV markets are coveted and will surely add to the pie. This is about how many eyeballs you can reach in an area, not how many fans or alumni a school has.

 

[Knight Shift]

I don't get the love affair with UNC or UVA. Neither of these schools more the needle in regards to football, and lets be honest here football drives the bus. I see people mentioning lax, or wrestling or other sports, who really cares about them. Do people watch 2 or 3 hour pregame shows for any other sport but football? If FSU wants to join the BIG I say the BIG should give them a loan if they need it and welcome them with open arms.

Turn that around on Rutgers in 2014. And we were awful in hoops too

 

[WhiteBus]

Is the B1G payout really supposed to jump to $100M in the next few years. ??

Not if they keep adding members from the West Coast.

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

Would those schools be able to leave without taking VA Tech or NC State. FSU has no baggage that they have to drag along. If you could pry UNC and UVA away without the others I believe that you do that as opposed to taking FSU. But I do believe that FSU will be the first domino to drop.

Also a question for 95
I know UVA petitioned the state of VA to get Tech admitted to the conference 20 years ago, but I don't know if it varies from state to state on that issue

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

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And NC Athletics admitted to academic fraud!

Yep and the NCAA selectively did very little, if anything. Possibly the most corrupt organization this side of FIFA

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

They do have a good softball team. Lost in the last college world series. Washington, Oregon and UCLA are also regular post-season schools in that sport.

The OU team they've lost to in the last two championship's is ridiculous
Legit dynasty in Norman - those girls can do it all

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

Not gonna read through the whole thread before posting this: Florida State is NOT an AAU member. Ironically, Miami is as is University of Florida.



I really think so.

Academic wise? They're top 20 public and have come leaps and bounds in the past 15 years.

Getting proper funding from the state (after years of fighting UF for $$) works wonders.

7-10 years they'll be AAU as McCoulough was brought in from Harvard to work his magic.

Recent additions Oregon & Nebraska aren't exactly Oxford. Sparty...not so much. Iowa...they make good corn.

Athletics wise... it's a home run. I'll leave it at that.

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

I realize many prefer non-news sources for their news, but are there any actual news sources reporting this?

I know this makes me old fashioned, but content creators, by definition, create content. I just can't wrap my head around the idea that created content = news.

Tallahassee Democrat also reporting it

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

It’s an athletic conference. Big time athletic brands are what matter. Nebraska’s not an AAU member either anymore…are they getting kicked out? The southeastern US and Notre Dame are the final frontiers for the new B1G conference. FSU is a great potential addition along with UNC.

$$$ rules the day
Nobody will confuse FSU with Harvard, but they $ they'll bring in and generate is what matters

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

I see it as BIG/FOX wanting to expand in the southern region. I would say UNC and UVA are first choices because of AAU status, flagship state Us, long list of athletic programs that compete nationally, new markets, and connected to state with current BIG member (MD).

I would think that BIG wants to extend membership to FL with possibly FSU in the north and Miami in the south to get membership to 22.

I see Clemson headed to B12 and VA Tech and NC St to the SEC in my opinion.

Also, I see ND using the remnants of the ACC like they did with the Big East to keep their non-football programs all in the name of staying independent in football.

GO RU

I can't see Clemson going to the B12. They're too valuable of a brand, massive fan base and donors. IPTAY is a machine. B1G or SEC for them IMO, and a lot of people have them and FSU tied at the hip in this realignment game.

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

Clemson is nouveau riche, has begun to lose their luster, is in a small market and state, and lifts right out. Agreed their best bet is Big 12 after the ACC collapses.

Ehhh I just can't see it happening. Massive fan base with large donor base, 3 natty's in the past 40 years and resorces to compete

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

Don't listen to that Dope, JayDog. He has one useful post a year.

Honestly if I wasn't somewhat tuned in, I'd be highly skeptical as well.

Ingram Smith, CEO of the Battles End NIL for FSU, says re. the GOR "whoever wrote that contract sleeps well at night."

I don't know the particulars of how they're going to break it, or what it's going to cost, but from everything I've heard, 2025 is when they'll be out.

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

I don't get the love affair with UNC or UVA. Neither of these schools more the needle in regards to football, and lets be honest here football drives the bus. I see people mentioning lax, or wrestling or other sports, who really cares about them. Do people watch 2 or 3 hour pregame shows for any other sport but football? If FSU wants to join the BIG I say the BIG should give them a loan if they need it and welcome them with open arms.

UNC is a massive brand, tremendous academics, great all around athletic dept, and opens up a new market in a large, growing state.

UVA doesn't have the same cache as UNC athletics and brand wise, but academically they're fantastic.

Re. $$ to FSU, they'll get it from PE if needed. Already in the works, stay tuned for the BOG meeting on 1/31 as there's a lot of rumors that's when something could be announced.

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

Tal Dem Linky

GO RU

TY, that's the article I was referencing.

 

[DJ Spanky]

11 posts in support: I guess we know who's a big FSU supporter.

Someone still has to lay out what they bring to the table on the academic and research side which would benefit the CIC and convince the Big 10 presidents to vote for them.

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

11 posts in support: I guess we know who's a big FSU supporter.

Someone still has to lay out what they bring to the table on the academic and research side which would benefit the CIC and convince the Big 10 presidents to vote for them.

This coming from a guy who's a moderator for a B1G school that will live and die athletics wise with NIL, yet constantly disparages it and essentially dissuades others from donating to current and future success of our program.

Again, stick to grilling and squashing message board squabbles, and let the big kids talk athletics.

I've already said what they bring academic wise - maybe your smoker is clouding your brain, so I'll repeat it for the people in the back.

Top 20 public. Finally getting state money allocated properly after decades of UF getting the lions share and having to fight tooth and nail for that.

Research dollars will go up exponentially with President McCoullugh at the helm, and the new land they've purchased allowing for expansion (campus is landlocked, smallest amongst the public schools in FL)

They'll be AAU in 7-10 years - not happening overnight, but well on the way to making that a reality.

Let me ask you this; what exactly did Nebraska bring to the table academic wise? Or moreover, would they have been admitted without their athletics program?

Or here at Rutgers; would we have been admitted if we were in Mississippi?

How about Oregon... what on earth do they bring, sans athletics and a massive brand?

Spoiler alert... it's about athletics. And money. This is a big boy conference doing big boy things in search of the almighty dollar.

Period. Stop. End of story.

 

[rurichdog]

TY, that's the article I was referencing.

Isn't that just a USA Today story republished by the digital version of the Tallahassee Democrat?

 

[RuSnp]

This coming from a guy who's a moderator for a B1G school that will live and die athletics wise with NIL, yet constantly disparages it and essentially dissuades others from donating to current and future success of our program.

Again, stick to grilling and squashing message board squabbles, and let the big kids talk athletics.

I've already said what they bring academic wise - maybe your smoker is clouding your brain, so I'll repeat it for the people in the back.

Top 20 public. Finally getting state money allocated properly after decades of UF getting the lions share and having to fight tooth and nail for that.

Research dollars will go up exponentially with President McCoullugh at the helm, and the new land they've purchased allowing for expansion (campus is landlocked, smallest amongst the public schools in FL)

They'll be AAU in 7-10 years - not happening overnight, but well on the way to making that a reality.

Let me ask you this; what exactly did Nebraska bring to the table academic wise? Or moreover, would they have been admitted without their athletics program?

Or here at Rutgers; would we have been admitted if we were in Mississippi?

How about Oregon... what on earth do they bring, sans athletics and a massive brand?

Spoiler alert... it's about athletics. And money. This is a big boy conference doing big boy things in search of the almighty dollar.

Period. Stop. End of story.

It's interesting I was going to reply that Oregon is 2 hours from Portland. But you all are 2 hours from Jacksonville which is actually a bigger city than Portland. Learn something new every day.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

Isn't that just a USA Today story republished by the digital version of the Tallahassee Democrat?

Probably, but it bears noting that the hometown paper doesn’t regularly (if ever - this is the first I’ve seen) publish anything related to expansion

 

[JayDogSmooth]

It's interesting I was going to reply that Oregon is 2 hours from Portland. But you all are 2 hours from Jacksonville which is actually a bigger city than Portland. Learn something new every day.

They’re pretty isolated in the panhandle as Jax is the closest major city

Admittedly, that’s problematic for flying in and out of there as the flight tickets are very expensive to TLH, as well as attendance as 70% season-ticket holders travel a minimum of 150 miles

 

[Leonard23]

FSU's only way out of the ACC is to pay the full amount of TV revenue for the remainder of the GOR (~$40M × 13 yrs = $520M) plus the exit fee (3x its annual TV payout = ~$120M) or negotiate some lesser amount, but FSU doesn't have the donors/$ to pay anywhere near that much ($640M, maybe negotiated downtown to $500M). We've been hearing for years that some genius has a way to break the GOR, yet it hasn't happened in B12 or ACC, because everyone says the GOR is ironclad. Until a school actually challenges it and succeeds, this is all nonsense. No conference will touch FSU without some sort of legal release from the ACC GOR because the new conference won't have any TV rights to FSU sports and would likely be obligated by a court order to send FSU's TV payout directly to the ACC, like a wage garnishment.

 

[WhiteBus]

This coming from a guy who's a moderator for a B1G school that will live and die athletics wise with NIL, yet constantly disparages it and essentially dissuades others from donating to current and future success of our program.

Again, stick to grilling and squashing message board squabbles, and let the big kids talk athletics.

I've already said what they bring academic wise - maybe your smoker is clouding your brain, so I'll repeat it for the people in the back.

Top 20 public. Finally getting state money allocated properly after decades of UF getting the lions share and having to fight tooth and nail for that.

Research dollars will go up exponentially with President McCoullugh at the helm, and the new land they've purchased allowing for expansion (campus is landlocked, smallest amongst the public schools in FL)

They'll be AAU in 7-10 years - not happening overnight, but well on the way to making that a reality.

Let me ask you this; what exactly did Nebraska bring to the table academic wise? Or moreover, would they have been admitted without their athletics program?

Or here at Rutgers; would we have been admitted if we were in Mississippi?

How about Oregon... what on earth do they bring, sans athletics and a massive brand?

Spoiler alert... it's about athletics. And money. This is a big boy conference doing big boy things in search of the almighty dollar.

Period. Stop. End of story.

Calling out a moderator sounds like you deserve the...

 

[JayDogSmooth]

Calling out a moderator sounds like you deserve the...

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Then ban away

Why more people aren’t in arms about a message board moderator openly shitting on NIL , because he personally does not like the system (although the system in place is not changing, and will directly correlate to the future success of our entire athletic department) is beyond me

 

[JayDogSmooth]

FSU's only way out of the ACC is to pay the full amount of TV revenue for the remainder of the GOR (~$40M × 13 yrs = $520M) plus the exit fee (3x its annual TV payout = ~$120M) or negotiate some lesser amount, but FSU doesn't have the donors/$ to pay anywhere near that much ($640M, maybe negotiated downtown to $500M). We've been hearing for years that some genius has a way to break the GOR, yet it hasn't happened in B12 or ACC, because everyone says the GOR is ironclad. Until a school actually challenges it and succeeds, this is all nonsense. No conference will touch FSU without some sort of legal release from the ACC GOR because the new conference won't have any TV rights to FSU sports and would likely be obligated by a court order to send FSU's TV payout directly to the ACC, like a wage garnishment.

PE money has already been raised
BOG meeting on January 31
Stay tuned…

 

[wheezer]

I don't get the love affair with UNC or UVA. Neither of these schools more the needle in regards to football, and lets be honest here football drives the bus. I see people mentioning lax, or wrestling or other sports, who really cares about them. Do people watch 2 or 3 hour pregame shows for any other sport but football? If FSU wants to join the BIG I say the BIG should give them a loan if they need it and welcome them with open arms.

I also do not get the attraction of UNC or UVA

The biggest fear is adding them, going to pods, and all of a sudden we are playing a ACC/big east schedule on the regular

The dream of playing big ten football dilutes down to playing your real big ten teams once every couple of years

 

[Leonard23]

PE money has already been raised
BOG meeting on January 31
Stay tuned…

Again, I'll believe it when I see it. What return on their investment would PE get for blowing that $ to get FSU out?

 

[Shelby65]

This coming from a guy who's a moderator for a B1G school that will live and die athletics wise with NIL, yet constantly disparages it and essentially dissuades others from donating to current and future success of our program.

Again, stick to grilling and squashing message board squabbles, and let the big kids talk athletics.

I've already said what they bring academic wise - maybe your smoker is clouding your brain, so I'll repeat it for the people in the back.

Top 20 public. Finally getting state money allocated properly after decades of UF getting the lions share and having to fight tooth and nail for that.

Research dollars will go up exponentially with President McCoullugh at the helm, and the new land they've purchased allowing for expansion (campus is landlocked, smallest amongst the public schools in FL)

They'll be AAU in 7-10 years - not happening overnight, but well on the way to making that a reality.

Let me ask you this; what exactly did Nebraska bring to the table academic wise? Or moreover, would they have been admitted without their athletics program?

Or here at Rutgers; would we have been admitted if we were in Mississippi?

How about Oregon... what on earth do they bring, sans athletics and a massive brand?

Spoiler alert... it's about athletics. And money. This is a big boy conference doing big boy things in search of the almighty dollar.

Period. Stop. End of story.

Correct. Academics aren’t relevant anymore bc the money is too much to pass on.

 

[kupuna133]

Again, I'll believe it when I see it. What return on their investment would PE get for blowing that $ to get FSU out?

I have no idea how PE would structure this deal. I assume debt related to future earnings. A $500 million loan would cost FSU on the 7-10% range/annum because no one is tying up that kind of money for extended periods of time with the kind of risk involved. Also PE is built upon exits. Where they would be looking for 3-10x and I don’t see how that could ever be realized. FSU is leaving because they are falling behind. If they can’t break GOR they have expense with no income.

 

[DJ Spanky]

This coming from a guy who's a moderator for a B1G school that will live and die athletics wise with NIL, yet constantly disparages it and essentially dissuades others from donating to current and future success of our program.

Again, stick to grilling and squashing message board squabbles, and let the big kids talk athletics.

Ah, so you basically devolve down to personal attacks.

I've already said what they bring academic wise - maybe your smoker is clouding your brain, so I'll repeat it for the people in the back.

Top 20 public. Finally getting state money allocated properly after decades of UF getting the lions share and having to fight tooth and nail for that.

Research dollars will go up exponentially with President McCoullugh at the helm, and the new land they've purchased allowing for expansion (campus is landlocked, smallest amongst the public schools in FL)

They'll be AAU in 7-10 years - not happening overnight, but well on the way to making that a reality.

More personal attacks.

All you have is what "may" happen - research funding "may" go up; they "may" get AAU status in the future.

Nebraska, Rutgers and Maryland brought a TON of research dollars immediately along with already being AAU members. Rutgers and Maryland also brought immediate access to the east coast from Connecticut down to Virginia along with the urban corridor that stretches from NYC to DC. That's access to a helluva lot of political power, economic forces and research dollars.

Then ban away

Another personal attack and I will ban both of your ID's.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

Again, I'll believe it when I see it. What return on their investment would PE get for blowing that $ to get FSU out?

PE money isn’t free
Not privy to the interest rate, but they don’t just give it away
I’m sure they’ve done their due diligence

Remember, FSU is a school that is used to defying the odds

From when they became co Ed, starting fb program, Doak expansion, state $, etc

The days of the ACC in its current form are coming to an end