OT: Coming to a beach near you in NJ and NY

[RU4Real]

A different take on it.

An unusually high number of whales are washing up on U.S. beaches — NPR

The unexpected deaths are hitting humpbacks and North Atlantic right whales on the East Coast and gray whales on the West Coast — populations that were already under watch.

apple.news

Spoiler: It’s not the turbine activity

And it's never going to be.

 

[Knight Shift]

Another take on it.

An unusually high number of whales are washing up on U.S. beaches — NPR

The unexpected deaths are hitting humpbacks and North Atlantic right whales on the East Coast and gray whales on the West Coast — populations that were already under watch.

apple.news

Spoiler: It’s not the turbine activity

So it is the IRS after all!!! 😉

 

[rurichdog]

I cited the Trump Corp case. It has to do with Trump in that he's the head of the company.

It's relevant because it's one of the most spectacular example of criminal tax fraud in recent history. It's relevant because the number of entities doing this sort of thing, even if on a lesser scale, is staggering.

I didn't say it wasn't.

 

[RUfinally2008]

No one mentioned Trump until you.

The IRS should audit every president so yes Biden should be audited

Did you read the post I linked to in this thread?

 

[RUfinally2008]

Trump has always made everything about himself. So not sure what your point is, there. He can make everything about him but the rest of us can’t? What kind of anti-freedom snowflake silliness is that?

As for Sleepy Joe, stop whining and put him on trial if you think a case can be made in court. If he’s convicted, great. Lock ‘em all up and throw away the key.

That I agree with you on 100%. If convicted lock them all up. Just curious how you'd react if Joe Joe is really as compromised as Republicans say he is. Now THAT would be historic and CNN/MSNBC would report it 6 years later, always late to the party, lol. Wolf Blitzer's Breaking News always cracks me up as he sits on stories CNN tells him not to report and that Fox News broke years ago.Laptop fake, too funny!

 

[fg7321]

I understand that.

Can evergreens serve as an adequate replacement for trees from hell that make me work all weekend long through the fall. Actually, the leaves never seem to go away and just pile up in sections of my yard even after we get rid of them.

Lol I don't rake any leaves. I mulch everything into the lawn way easier and very satisfying compared to my neighbors having 50 bags in front of their homes or paying $500 for a landscaping company to do it.

 

[mildone]

That I agree with you on 100%. If convicted lock them all up. Just curious how you'd react if Joe Joe is really as compromised as Republicans say he is. Now THAT would be historic and CNN/MSNBC would report it 6 years later, always late to the party, lol. Wolf Blitzer's Breaking News always cracks me up as he sits on stories CNN tells him not to report and that Fox News broke years ago.Laptop fake, too funny!

How I would react? That's easy.

If any politician is found guilty of a crime in a court of law, then I think they should be treated no differently than anybody else. I've always felt that way. I don't choose sides. I think both sides suck.

 

[RU4Real]

The funny thing about the whole "Biden Crime Family" bit is the utter lack of financial support for the argument. The theory is that the Bidens got billions from China and Ukraine, but there's no suggestion whatsoever as to where all this money might be. Biden's net worth is about $8 million. Not exactly Mafia don numbers.

 

[NotInRHouse]

The funny thing about the whole "Biden Crime Family" bit is the utter lack of financial support for the argument. The theory is that the Bidens got billions from China and Ukraine, but there's no suggestion whatsoever as to where all this money might be. Biden's net worth is about $8 million. Not exactly Mafia don numbers.

It's very easy. I'll teach you something now you came over to the good side. 😇

Every accusation they make is an admission. They use that term because their own cult got dozens of Chinese patents and 2 billion from the Saudis...during and right after holding public office.

It works for everything....they're against being "canceled"...they freaked out over a football man during the special song. They claim fraud...the only ones ever caught are their own.

And their media fuels it and never tells them (or reminds them of their own behavior). And they make all of it their personality (see also: 100 posts a day on the CE board, multiple handles for several posters there).

So when they make an allegation, just flip it, and therein lies the truth.

 

[RUfinally2008]

It's very easy. I'll teach you something now you came over to the good side. 😇

Every accusation they make is an admission. They use that term because their own cult got dozens of Chinese patents and 2 billion from the Saudis...during and right after holding public office.

It works for everything....they're against being "canceled"...they freaked out over a football man during the special song. They claim fraud...the only ones ever caught are their own.

And their media fuels it and never tells them (or reminds them of their own behavior). And they make all of it their personality (see also: 100 posts a day on the CE board, multiple handles for several posters there).

So when they make an allegation, just flip it, and therein lies the truth.

Of course being caught in lie after lie about Russian collution, the laptop is fake,Hillary destroying 100,000 emails, 10,000 hours of video on 1/6 held from Public view,yeah,I'd be proud of your party also. They clearly know much better how to control the masses,and I haven't even touched on social media and the removal of free speech.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

Of course being caught in lie after lie about Russian collution, the laptop is fake,Hillary destroying 100,000 emails, 10,000 hours of video on 1/6 held from Public view,yeah,I'd be proud of your party also. They clearly know much better how to control the masses,and I haven't even touched on social media and the removal of free speech.

14k hours of video

 

[mildone]

It's very easy. I'll teach you something now you came over to the good side. 😇

Every accusation they make is an admission. They use that term because their own cult got dozens of Chinese patents and 2 billion from the Saudis...during and right after holding public office.

It works for everything....they're against being "canceled"...they freaked out over a football man during the special song. They claim fraud...the only ones ever caught are their own.

And their media fuels it and never tells them (or reminds them of their own behavior). And they make all of it their personality (see also: 100 posts a day on the CE board, multiple handles for several posters there).

So when they make an allegation, just flip it, and therein lies the truth.

There are no good sides. There shouldn't even be any sides, IMO.

There's this fundamental problem right now where no matter how right someone might be about some political thing, if that someone talks about it in a way that alienates people with different politics, than all that is accomplished is promoting partisanship, polarization, and extremism on both sides.

To put it simply, facts need to become secondary to finding a productive way to talk to each other about facts. It's never good to downplay facts, but due to mass childishness, that's where we're at as a nation. A situation that benefits very few at the expense of a great many.

And the very few know this and push the idea that (a) compromise is evil, (b) demonization is good, (c) the status-quo should be maintained, which it absolutely will be for as long as the many are willing to trade insults rather than work together to solve problems.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Of course being caught in lie after lie about Russian collution, the laptop is fake,Hillary destroying 100,000 emails, 10,000 hours of video on 1/6 held from Public view,yeah,I'd be proud of your party also. They clearly know much better how to control the masses,and I haven't even touched on social media and the removal of free speech.

It's no wonder you want to ban books- your allergy to facts is nearly as bad as your allergy to freedom.

 

[NotInRHouse]

There are no good sides. There shouldn't even be any sides, IMO.

There's this fundamental problem right now where no matter how right someone might be about some political thing, if that someone talks about it in a way that alienates people with different politics, than all that is accomplished is promoting partisanship, polarization, and extremism on both sides.

To put it simply, facts need to become secondary to finding a productive way to talk to each other about facts. It's never good to downplay facts, but due to mass childishness, that's where we're at as a nation. A situation that benefits very few at the expense of a great many.

And the very few know this and push the idea that (a) compromise is evil, (b) demonization is good, (c) the status-quo should be maintained, which it absolutely will be for as long as the many are willing to trade insults rather than work together to solve problems.

Unfortunately when it comes to people who do nothing but pump out propaganda as we see in this thread, there is no being productive about it. We're dealing with a cult.

 

[mildone]

Unfortunately when it comes to people who do nothing but pump out propaganda as we see in this thread, there is no being productive about it. We're dealing with a cult.

Cult-forming has been becoming a steadily increasing problem in US politics for a while now. I never saw anything like what happened with the prior guy. But O had his cultish following, too, right?

I feel like it might not be so bad to adopt a slightly Orwellian prohibition against expressing adoration or worship of human beings. It's an incredibly undignified and dangerous behavior. We should take people who can't stop worshiping other humans and stick them in prison for a few years, where they are forced to continuously watch movies where cultish following lead to horrific historical events. There are plenty to choose from.

 

[Knight Shift]

The Biden crime family is in on windmills? Where did Biden and crime come from? My ignore list missing things--kewel!!!!

 

[mildone]

The Biden crime family is in on windmills? Where did Biden and crime come from? My ignore list missing things--kewel!!!!

Yup. Apparently they're being flung off the turbine blades directly into all the whales that are hanging around underneath. And then the whales wash up on the coast, making NJ shore folks' morning jogs very smelly indeed.

Thanks, Joe.

 

[knightfan7]

have people always been this gullible with fake news?

I mean windmills killing whales? How do people believe this 🤣

It's a convenient theory.

If most along the coast were honest they'd say it all boils down to they don't want to see windmills when they look out the window or sit on the beach even if they're barely visible.

 

[RUBOB72]

What ever happened to all those Save The Whales groupies ? Or better yet those fishing destruction diehards. They won’t be able to build enough windmills to satisfy those energy requirements. It needs to be a combined usage of all types of energy production going forward.

 

[RU4Real]

What ever happened to all those Save The Whales groupies ? Or better yet those fishing destruction diehards. They won’t be able to build enough windmills to satisfy those energy requirements. It needs to be a combined usage of all types of energy production going forward.

"Fishing destruction diehards"?

 

[mildone]

"Fishing destruction diehards"?

Yeah, you know.

 

[RUfinally2008]

It's no wonder you want to ban books- your allergy to facts is nearly as bad as your allergy to freedom.

Where have I EVER stated I want to ban books? Your the party that's trying to change history. I'm all for teaching our kids the good the bad and the ugly. I'm not ashamed of our countries past. it's far from perfect. Your the ones that want to call our country racist trash. Give me a break already. Move if you think this country is so bad, because I don't.

 

[RUfinally2008]

Yup. Apparently they're being flung off the turbine blades directly into all the whales that are hanging around underneath. And then the whales wash up on the coast, making NJ shore folks' morning jogs very smelly indeed.

Thanks, Joe.

Clearly marine biologist stating sonar mapping of the sea floor for the best positions for windmills is what's beaching the whales, forking up they're sense of direction. I guess that's just more "fake" news. No worries, in 6 years CNN/MSNBC will report it as breaking news.Is it really a "cult" if it's proven time and again to be true?

 

[T2Kplus20]

Gov'ment has a long history of crimes against whale.

 

[m1ipabrams]

You all do know that sonar has been used extensively for decades to map seafloors, locate wrecks, identify resources, etc?

NOAA Ocean Explorer: Submarine Ring of Fire 2002: Background

oceanexplorer.noaa.gov

USGS OFR 2010-1332: U.S. Atlantic East Coast GLORIA Field Activities Map

pubs.usgs.gov

New sonar maps show East Coast at risk of tsunamis, too

The East Coast of the United States isn't the first place that comes to mind as being at risk of tsunamis, but new sonar maps are now helping to show that these risks do exist.

www.nbcnews.com

Explorers discover deepwater gas seeps off US Atlantic coast: Advanced sonar technology key to discovery and mapping

NOAA ocean explorers used an advanced multibeam sonar mapping system on NOAA Ship Okeanos Explorer last month to discover and map the first deepwater gas seeps found off the U.S. Atlantic Coast north of Cape Hatteras. The seeps were found at water depths greater than 1,000 meters (3,300 feet)...

phys.org

 

[rurichdog]

You all do know that sonar has been used extensively for decades to map seafloors, locate wrecks, identify resources, etc?

NOAA Ocean Explorer: Submarine Ring of Fire 2002: Background

oceanexplorer.noaa.gov

USGS OFR 2010-1332: U.S. Atlantic East Coast GLORIA Field Activities Map

pubs.usgs.gov

New sonar maps show East Coast at risk of tsunamis, too

The East Coast of the United States isn't the first place that comes to mind as being at risk of tsunamis, but new sonar maps are now helping to show that these risks do exist.

www.nbcnews.com

Explorers discover deepwater gas seeps off US Atlantic coast: Advanced sonar technology key to discovery and mapping

NOAA ocean explorers used an advanced multibeam sonar mapping system on NOAA Ship Okeanos Explorer last month to discover and map the first deepwater gas seeps found off the U.S. Atlantic Coast north of Cape Hatteras. The seeps were found at water depths greater than 1,000 meters (3,300 feet)...

phys.org

Yes, and for almost as long a time period, we've been told that marine mammals will rapidly dive, change direction, or even beach themselves to escape active sonar pinging nearby. It seems more research is needed to determine if non-military sonar has similar quantifiable effects.

Does Military Sonar Kill Marine Wildlife?

The frequency used in military testing could be harmful to some animals

www.scientificamerican.com

 

[m1ipabrams]

Yes, and for almost as long a time period, we've been told that marine mammals will rapidly dive, change direction, or even beach themselves to escape active sonar pinging nearby. It seems more research is needed to determine if non-military sonar has similar quantifiable effects.

Does Military Sonar Kill Marine Wildlife?

The frequency used in military testing could be harmful to some animals

www.scientificamerican.com

and no one cared until they were afraid that wind turbines would disrupt their view of the ocean........

 

[Vlife]

 

[rurichdog]

and no one cared until they were afraid that wind turbines would disrupt their view of the ocean........

Funny how NIMBY and environmentalists can make strange bedfellows when it is convenient. Still doesn't absolve the Navy and undersea contractors.

 

[mildone]

and no one cared until they were afraid that wind turbines would disrupt their view of the ocean........

Exactly.

And then it got adopted by the anti-Green folks, who don't actually care about animal life at all since they favor oil production which has been, and still is, killing tons of animal life. It's all political posturing (by both sides) with the sane among us having to filter all the ideological BS out to discuss this stuff meaningfully.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Cult-forming has been becoming a steadily increasing problem in US politics for a while now. I never saw anything like what happened with the prior guy. But O had his cultish following, too, right?

I feel like it might not be so bad to adopt a slightly Orwellian prohibition against expressing adoration or worship of human beings. It's an incredibly undignified and dangerous behavior. We should take people who can't stop worshiping other humans and stick them in prison for a few years, where they are forced to continuously watch movies where cultish following lead to horrific historical events. There are plenty to choose from.

Eh- there's only one cult I know of that beat the police because their leader had his feelings hurt.

 

[NotInRHouse]

It's a convenient theory.

If most along the coast were honest they'd say it all boils down to they don't want to see windmills when they look out the window or sit on the beach even if they're barely visible.

How many of the complainers have beach homes or even go to the beach?

Like so many of their complaints it's just a shriek about propaganda they repeat but has no bearing on their lives in the cul de sac bubble.

 

[RU4Real]

It's exhausting that people refuse to understand that there are different types of sonar.

The studies on cetaceans and sonar, as conducted by the Navy and cited in the faux hysteria, related specifically to high-power active sonars of the type used to identify enemy submarines. The frequency and power level of those systems is in a completely different category as compared to the sonar systems used for mapping.

Civilian sonar systems are not killing whales. Anyone who tells you otherwise is wrong, or lying, or both.

 

[RUTGERS95]

and no one cared until they were afraid that wind turbines would disrupt their view of the ocean........

I cared, still do. balanced econ systems and all

the wind turbines are an economic joke
more nuclear is the answer

 

[mildone]

Eh- there's only one cult I know of that beat the police because their leader had his feelings hurt.

Well... only one political leader here in the US.

And yes, that he was the person most responsible for upholding the laws of our nation does make that a particularly egregious example of monumental irresponsibility. There's no arguing that.

But cults have engaged in some pretty awful behavior throughout history, even worse than our recent example. Nazis, for example. The Hitler Youth. The Gestapo. What are those if not examples of cultish adoration of a flawed human being? And those are much worse cases, IMO.

Which isn't to excuse what happened here. But just saying, it's not just one leader.

 

[mdk01]

Well... only one political leader here in the US.

And yes, that he was the person most responsible for upholding the laws of our nation does make that a particularly egregious example of monumental irresponsibility. There's no arguing that.

But cults have engaged in some pretty awful behavior throughout history, even worse than our recent example. Nazis, for example. The Hitler Youth. The Gestapo. What are those if not examples of cultish adoration of a flawed human being? And those are much worse cases, IMO.

Which isn't to excuse what happened here. But just saying, it's not just one leader.

Enjoy! Lincoln "well he's been cancelled so f*** him"

 

[mildone]

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Enjoy! Lincoln "well he's been cancelled so f*** him"

Maher was funny and on-point, mostly. But his anti-Woke-mentality sermon, while making valid points about people who take sensitivity and PC much too far, isn't really relevant to the inherent evils of cult adoration of individual humans. Two different, unrelated, problems.

 

[m1ipabrams]

I cared, still do. balanced econ systems and all

the wind turbines are an economic joke
more nuclear is the answer

as much as I would like to agree with you on nuclear, until everyone finally agrees on where to put all of the nuclear waste, I don't want to see further expansion of our nuclear power systems. Leaving it sitting around in cooling pools each at each plant is eventually just asking for a major disaster.

 

[mdk01]

as much as I would like to agree with you on nuclear, until everyone finally agrees on where to put all of the nuclear waste, I don't want to see further expansion of our nuclear power systems. Leaving it sitting around in cooling pools each at each plant is eventually just asking for a major disaster.

But what about shutting down existing nukes 10 years before the end of their useful life, like Indian Point?

 

[mdk01]

Maher was funny and on-point, mostly. But his anti-Woke-mentality sermon, while making valid points about people who take sensitivity and PC much too far, isn't really relevant to the inherent evils of cult adoration of individual humans. Two different, unrelated, problems.

The Red Guard wasn't a cult?