OT: Coming to a beach near you in NJ and NY

[mildone]

The Red Guard wasn't a cult?

Did they worship Mao? Or worship an idea? I think it was the latter, but I don't really know that much about them.

If they worshiped Mao, then it was a cult. My point is worship of an person is cultish. Worship of some idea seems more like ideological than cult-like. Both things suck, IMO.

 

[mdk01]

Did they worship Mao? Or worship an idea? I think it was the latter, but I don't really know that much about them.

If they worshiped Mao, then it was a cult. My point is worship of an person is cultish. Worship of some idea seems more like ideological than cult-like. Both things suck, IMO.

They worshipped Mao.

 

[RU4Real]

But what about shutting down existing nukes 10 years before the end of their useful life, like Indian Point?

Not sure what you're basing this claim on. IP1 was built in 1962 and its 40 year operating license was expired. IP2 and IP3 operating licenses expired in 2013 and 2015, respectively. In 2021 the decision was made to not follow through with an extension application due to economic factors as well as pressure from environmental groups.

Indian Point was controversial through its entire lifespan due to its proximity to pretty much the most populated region in the country. The case for keeping it open wasn't helped by the fact that it was discovered to be leaking strontium-90, cesium-137, cobalt-60, nickel-63 and tritium into the Hudson River.

 

[m1ipabrams]

But what about shutting down existing nukes 10 years before the end of their useful life, like Indian Point?

I am not in favor of shutting down existing nukes unless there are clear safety issues or enough generation alternatives already in place. What little I know about Indian Point doesn't seem to fit that criteria.
I am not for building new nukes until we resolve the distributed storage of waste problem.

 

[m1ipabrams]

I am not in favor of shutting down existing nukes unless there are clear safety issues or enough generation alternatives already in place. What little I know about Indian Point doesn't seem to fit that criteria.
I am not for building new nukes until we resolve the distributed storage of waste problem.

Not sure what you're basing this claim on. IP1 was built in 1962 and its 40 year operating license was expired. IP2 and IP3 operating licenses expired in 2013 and 2015, respectively. In 2021 the decision was made to not follow through with an extension application due to economic factors as well as pressure from environmental groups.

Indian Point was controversial through its entire lifespan due to its proximity to pretty much the most populated region in the country. The case for keeping it open wasn't helped by the fact that it was discovered to be leaking strontium-90, cesium-137, cobalt-60, nickel-63 and tritium into the Hudson River.

Not familiar with the issues with leaking radioactive material into Hudson, assuming that is the case and the level of leakage was enough to cause significant and potentially long lasting environmental issues then the shutdown could be justified.

 

[tom1944]

I am not in favor of shutting down existing nukes unless there are clear safety issues or enough generation alternatives already in place. What little I know about Indian Point doesn't seem to fit that criteria.
I am not for building new nukes until we resolve the distributed storage of waste problem.

The storage of waste is the reason a lot of people have an issue with nuclear

While I am a supporter of nuclear I have to acknowledge that is a valid concern

 

[RUTGERS95]

Well... only one political leader here in the US.

And yes, that he was the person most responsible for upholding the laws of our nation does make that a particularly egregious example of monumental irresponsibility. There's no arguing that.

But cults have engaged in some pretty awful behavior throughout history, even worse than our recent example. Nazis, for example. The Hitler Youth. The Gestapo. What are those if not examples of cultish adoration of a flawed human being? And those are much worse cases, IMO.

Which isn't to excuse what happened here. But just saying, it's not just one leader.

you're both fking retarded with that cult nonsense.

 

[RUTGERS95]

as much as I would like to agree with you on nuclear, until everyone finally agrees on where to put all of the nuclear waste, I don't want to see further expansion of our nuclear power systems. Leaving it sitting around in cooling pools each at each plant is eventually just asking for a major disaster.

still far less disruptive to the environment than the turbines or precious metals mining and waste from battery and E production efforts. It's not close

 

[RUTGERS95]

The Red Guard wasn't a cult?

Mildone has gone off the reservation again. His posts demonstrate a level of ignorance that is beneath his intellect

 

[mildone]

you're both fking retarded with that cult nonsense.

Mildone has gone off the reservation again. His posts demonstrate a level of ignorance that is beneath his intellect

Hm... I see. Well...

What you fail to realize, despite it being intuitively obvious to even a lobotomized ape, is that (a) I was 100% correct, as always, (b) you lack the capacity required to come close to measuring my intellect, (c) you wrote something about ignorance, I ignored it, and (d) the reservation follows me wherever I go.

Your turn. Make it worth the bytes. 😉

 

[Rutgers Chris]

https://www.thesandpaper.net/articles/jersey-shore-mayors-want-embargo-on-offshore-wind-activity/

 

[mdk01]

Did they worship Mao? Or worship an idea? I think it was the latter, but I don't really know that much about them.

If they worshiped Mao, then it was a cult. My point is worship of an person is cultish. Worship of some idea seems more like ideological than cult-like. Both things suck, IMO.

you're both fking retarded with that cult nonsense.

You two ever hear of 'The Little Red Book : Thoughts of Chairman Mao"? Over 6 billion sold and no "student" in the Red Guard would leave home without it. They would hold it up as they mobbed a traitor who was forced to wear a dunce cap. Sometimes before the traitor was killed

 

[T2Kplus20]

Amazing 100'ish year old photo of SH:
(and no dead whales on the beach!)

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Wait, so specialists that have performed autopsies on the whales and determined it’s due to fishing gear and boat contact is not the truth? 🤣🤣🤣

I suggest you stop spreading fake news and fud. Perhaps you should get a job.

If the increase in whales hitting fishing gear and boats is substantial.. couldn't it be caused by the sonar surveys? Do we really know much about whale echo-location? Could we identify damage to whales that would harm their ability to navigate?

 

[rutgersdave]

2016–2023 Humpback Whale Unusual Mortality Event Along the Atlantic Coast

Since January 2016, elevated humpback whale mortalities have occurred along the Atlantic coast from Maine through Florida.

www.fisheries.noaa.gov

 

[RU4Real]

still far less disruptive to the environment than the turbines or precious metals mining and waste from battery and E production efforts. It's not close

Well, this isn't really true, is it?

For one thing, uranium mining is a very messy thing - it's strip mined, and only strip mined. The uranium enrichment process results in unstable byproducts that need to be somehow disposed of. There are prodigious heavy metals (cadmium, tungsten, nickel, lead) used in the manufacture of fuel & control rods.

Then you've got the immediate environmental impact. The average nuke plant kills about a million fish per year, directly, via their cooling intakes. The outflow of the cooling towers is pumped back into the local water source and raises the ambient temperature of the water considerably - enough to do a great deal more damage to fish stocks.

Once a nuke facility is built, then a nuke facility it remains, whether it's operational or not. That's because things like the containment building, fuel storage pools, etc., can never be dismantled or disturbed.

The point is, you can't differentiate between wind, solar and nuclear on the basis of "Well, all them wind turbines has got to be built and the metals for batteries have to be mined by little brown kids and nuclear plants is just wished into existence" when a) that's not true and b) you don't give a shit about little brown kids, anyway, outside of using them as a prop for this discussion.

All energy production has associated costs. Renewable energy production methods continue to get more efficient. It was only about 10-15 short years ago that you could put about 300 watts of solar on a sailboat and charge the battery enough to run the GPS and autopilot. Now you can put 1200 - 1500 watts of solar in that same footprint and run the nav gear, the autopilot, the refrigerator & freezer, iPhones, laptops, sat links, wi-fi, sound systems and all the lights. Add the ubiquitous wind generator and now you've got power to run the AC and water maker. All these things will get even more efficient, over time - and the use of fossil fuels will decline, commensurately.

It's a process. We're in the mix.

 

[RUTGERS95]

You two ever hear of 'The Little Red Book : Thoughts of Chairman Mao"? Over 6 billion sold and no "student" in the Red Guard would leave home without it. They would hold it up as they mobbed a traitor who was forced to wear a dunce cap. Sometimes before the traitor was killed

not me, I was referring to Mildone and NOTIN.....

I get it, you are spot on and these two are absolutely blind to reality and history. A byproduct of liberalism

 

[RUTGERS95]

Amazing 100'ish year old photo of SH:
(and no dead whales on the beach!)

oddly, this happened on west coast and amazingly, same location as wind farms?????

to deny it COULD have an impact on whales is beyond ignorant

 

[RU4Real]

oddly, this happened on west coast and amazingly, same location as wind farms?????

to deny it COULD have an impact on whales is beyond ignorant

What's the mechanism of injury that you're proposing?

 

[fg7321]

Yup. Apparently they're being flung off the turbine blades directly into all the whales that are hanging around underneath. And then the whales wash up on the coast, making NJ shore folks' morning jogs very smelly indeed.

Thanks, Joe.

I love how the folks who are against Wind turbines are now Environmentalists fighting for Whales, while watching the view from their shore home that someday will be flooded by the melting glaciers.

The hypocrisy is astonishing.

 

[fg7321]

Not sure what you're basing this claim on. IP1 was built in 1962 and its 40 year operating license was expired. IP2 and IP3 operating licenses expired in 2013 and 2015, respectively. In 2021 the decision was made to not follow through with an extension application due to economic factors as well as pressure from environmental groups.

Indian Point was controversial through its entire lifespan due to its proximity to pretty much the most populated region in the country. The case for keeping it open wasn't helped by the fact that it was discovered to be leaking strontium-90, cesium-137, cobalt-60, nickel-63 and tritium into the Hudson River.

My college roommate's family lived about 1 mile from Indian Point . His wife died from a rare cancer at age 50.

 

[mdk01]

I love how the folks who are against Wind turbines are now Environmentalists fighting for Whales, while watching the view from their shore home that someday will be flooded by the melting glaciers.

The hypocrisy is astonishing.

So is the hyperbole. Flooded by melting glaciers? Maybe if they live to be 125.

 

[m1ipabrams]

still far less disruptive to the environment than the turbines or precious metals mining and waste from battery and E production efforts. It's not close

Have you seen the size of nuclear power plants and the amount of concrete and steel required to build them? Are you familiar with the heat bloom issues from the cooling systems and their impact on surrounding water systems? The mining required for the uranium? And of course my main concern the handling of 86,000 metric tons of highly radioactive spent fuel that is stored at more than 80 individual sites across the US. This by product will be hazardous for 250,000 years, and has a half life of 24,000 years (meaning it will still be half as radioactive 24,000 years from now as it is now).

No energy generation process is going to be without impact. That holds true for fossil fuels, wind, solar, hydro or nuclear.

As I said before, I think nuclear would be a good option going forward if they addressed the spent fuel storage problem. Current approaches are just begging for natural disaster or terroristic attacks.

 

[mildone]

not me, I was referring to Mildone and NOTIN.....

I get it, you are spot on and these two are absolutely blind to reality and history. A byproduct of liberalism

I told you not to waste bytes and you went and did it anyway. 🥱

Speaking of liberalism, you are clearly way more affected by it than I. It obviously defines you and consumes you. It has you wandering about in a childishly partisan daze, posting infantile nonsense. Surely you aren’t blind to that reality?

When people start believing their own bullshit about liberalism or conservatism, I start deducting IQ points. Seriously. It’s how I know they can never be taken seriously.

But, but…but mama said liberalism is the devil! 🤣🤣

Once again, the ball is in your court, Waterboy. Try to do better this time, eh?

 

[mdk01]

So is the hyperbole. Flooded by melting glaciers? Maybe if they live to be 125.

And BTW, why are those environmentalists advocating breeching the Snake River hydro dams? They've been operating 50-60 years and while they impact salmon runs the runs still exist. Do they think that there is no lead time before that generation can be replaced with something green?

 

[tom1944]

The answer is really simple

Do them all and strive to make all of them cheaper and less intrusive on the environment. That will be done as innovation progresses.

 

[NotInRHouse]

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Enjoy! Lincoln "well he's been cancelled so f*** him"

Who can forget when police were beaten with the American flag because of "woke", or when a church...or synagogue...or supermarket...or Wal Mart...were shot up for "woke." And when a protester was murdered, run over by someone "woke."

Oh right. It was the people who say things like "woke mob" who did all of that.

 

[fg7321]

So is the hyperbole. Flooded by melting glaciers? Maybe if they live to be 125.

So this is hyperbole? In one form or another Sea level and flooding is coming. What we do to mitigate the level of the rise is on us. Its also coming faster than we thought....

Sea Level Rise in New Jersey: Projections and Impacts – New Jersey Climate Change Resource Center

njclimateresourcecenter.rutgers.edu

 

[newell138]

This thread....

 

[mildone]

This thread....

I can't help but notice that the shark wasn't visible in that clip. Must have been killed by a wind turbine.

 

[Knight Shift]

This thread....

 

[RU4Real]

I saw this post and queued up "Basket Case" on my laptop... and the cat came running over and knocked it to the floor.

So... that's what she thinks of Green Day, I guess.

 

[Knight Shift]

I saw this post and queued up "Basket Case" on my laptop... and the cat came running over and knocked it to the floor.

So... that's what she thinks of Green Day, I guess.

It's a great lyric to summarize this thread and the CE Board. Dookie was a fantastic album. The rest of their catalog. Meh. I just added more whine to the thread. I'll cut the cheese later. Worn out from the Key West trip.

 

[newell138]

It's a great lyric to summarize this thread and the CE Board. Worn out from the Key West trip.

Heading down there tomorrow for a week, then a week up on the Gulf Coast in Siesta Key!

 

[RU4Real]

It's a great lyric to summarize this thread and the CE Board. Dookie was a fantastic album. The rest of their catalog. Meh. I just added more whine to the thread. I'll cut the cheese later. Worn out from the Key West trip.

I agree re: Dookie and the rest.

One of my favorite "recent" movies is Judd Apatow's "This is 40". There's a subplot wherein Paul Rudd's character, a struggling music producer, is trying to resurrect the career of Graham Parker and The Rumour. They do a show in a local bar and Billie Joe shows up because he's a fan. This leads to a brief but amusing exchange between Billie and Chris O'Dowd's character.

Also, how hot is Leslie Mann? I mean, she's not a physical 10, but she's a perfect example of a middle-aged woman who is 100% attractive.

 

[RU4Real]

Heading down there tomorrow for a week, then a week up on the Gulf Coast in Siesta Key!

What he's not saying is that he went to Key West because he fully believes that Mike Leach isn't dead, he was just kidnapped by Parrotheads.

 

[newell138]

I’m bringing it back on topic Jerry!!!

Turbines Kill the Sea

Stop the Wind Farms

chaosandcontrol.substack.com

 

[Knight177lb]

I’m bringing it back on topic Jerry!!!

Turbines Kill the Sea

Stop the Wind Farms

chaosandcontrol.substack.com

It's worse than I thought. We're pretty much going to destroy the ocean floor. It will be the end of ocean fishing in NJ.

 

[RUfinally2008]

It's worse than I thought. We're pretty much going to destroy the ocean floor. It will be the end of ocean fishing in NJ.

But we have a couple of self called experts in a variety of subjects that insist this is just another right wing scare tactic. Let me check, I believe I have a few important papers on this stored in my garage.

 

[T2Kplus20]

It's worse than I thought. We're pretty much going to destroy the ocean floor. It will be the end of ocean fishing in NJ.

I guess the Kennedy family was right when they blocked the proposal wind farm off of Cape Cod. Only gullible people are falling for Big Wind's lies.