OT: Coming to a beach near you in NJ and NY
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Wind turbines appear to be fairly low on the bird killing field
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Human-related Causes of Bird Mortality – Sibley Guides
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Wind turbines appear to be fairly low on the bird killing field
Human-related Causes of Bird Mortality – Sibley Guides
They are fairly low on efficent energy production
I don't know she was duped for a fact. It's also possible that she is insane. I know her and her organization well. I have partnered with them on some issues in the past. They are known for being wrong on some big issues sometimes. And also struggling for money. Despite that, I was shocked, and so was every other person familiar with the environmental movement in NJ, to see her make the statements about wind and wales. She has gone from being a minor player to now not having any credibility at all because of this issue. So while I don't know for a fact what happened, and I haven't talked to Cindy about it, she was at the podium with front groups funded by fossil fuel companies saying a bunch of anti-wind bullshit that the fossil fuel groups had been peddling.I don't have a view on the windmill issue either way, but do you know for a fact that Cindy has been "duped by some oil industry people?"
Some background info, but Cindy and her organization are not mentioned.
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Unfounded and Premature: Correlating Wind Turbine Construction with Whale Mortalities
In the past two months, there have been seven whales, all endangered species, washed-up in the New Jersey and New York coastal region. A broad coalition of environmental organizations agree it’s important to discover why we’re seeing increased whale mortalities in New Jersey and surrounding...www.sierraclub.org
Yeah, it was nothing special but people I know liked it.
There are 4 houses being built on 2nd between Main and Brielle. I understand they're asking around $1.6 mil.
I guess that's the going rate to be very close to Leggetts and the Osprey lol.
Couldn't help but notice your signature.
It tells me that your perspective on group intellect might be a little skewed, what with you being at the bottom and all.
What does you still having sigs visible say? How many more sea mammals must die on our beaches for you to open your mind? What's the number? We'll keep count.
They're not dying on our beaches. They're dying in the ocean. And it's been repeatedly pointed out that ship strikes and fishing gear are the #1 killers.
It's also been pointed out that there IS NO MECHANISM OF INJURY regarding sonars (which the oceans are absolutely full of - every single vessel out there has a running sonar, at all times).
Clearly the arrogant poster that grabbed my attention in setting a new board record for talking down to so many in one thread
You really think your above the rank an file. Comical that your a legend in your own mind. What do you see when you look in the mirror?
Remember,he's the smartest in the room. Daddy always told him this I would guess. Lol
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I see someone who knows the difference between "your" and "you're".
Cute, Yeah always had a problem with that,as well as douch and bag. You probably think those Republicans in E. Palestine should suffer and die horrible deaths since they aren't Democrats
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Did she say that? Seems that people want to tar and feather Cindy Zipf and her organization. I don't know her, but I did a bit of research. COA and Zipf were in favor of a phased-in development of wind farms, with a study conducted with 50 pilot plants before moving the mass commercialization. It seems that the right here, right now crowd thinks there is no time for such a study and that mass development and commercialization must start right away to stop the impending climate doom.
I don't find COA's approach to be unreasonable. It seems she has used the whale deaths as a rallying cry, which seems misplaced considering the increasing population of whales along the Atlantic shores. With a lot more whales, it is reasonable to expect more dead whales washing ashore.
This may be a good example of someone going off their original message and then clouding their message and their credibility. It is kind of amusing to see a reputable environmental organization being lumped in with some right wing nutjobs. Hardly helps the organization's credibility, and that helps when people want to paint the organization as "fringe."
New Jersey ocean advocates demand extended public comment period on Ocean Wind project
The 45-day public comment period for a draft environmental impact statement on the proposed Ocean Wind energy project off southern New Jersey is “unreasonable and unjust,” the environmentawww.workboat.com
Here Are People Not Blown Away by NJ's Offshore Wind Power Plans
The Garden State's push to become one of the early adopters of offshore wind farms off the Mid-Atlantic coast of the United States has riled some residents, the fishing industry and at least one environmental group that wants prudent development.www.nbcphiladelphia.com
Clean Ocean Action decries massive scale of offshore wind-turbine plan
BRIELLE — Clean Ocean Action [COA] is opposing the federal government’s leasing of nearly 1 million acres of federal waters off New Jersey for private wind farms that could see nearly 600 turbines installed in the first round, and many hundreds morewww.wind-watch.org
Quick question. Are the private windfarm owners going to put money in escrow to take down the aged out or retired windmills? Just curious, because elsewhere folks just go out of business and leave the cleanup of the abandoned wind farm to the local government.
Is assaulting one’s intelligence similar to insulting one’s intelligence professor?
I like the idea but the smell on that side of Leggetts in the summer heat has made me almost puke on a sober stomach more than once.
Another poor whale struck by boats. Ban fishing and boating.Seaside Park Whale Buried At The Beach
MARCH 3, 2023
Think of all the squid and smaller fish that will now surviveSeaside Park Whale Buried At The Beach
MARCH 3, 2023
Glad I no longer live inJersey. Generations of corrupt Dem control are finding ways to destroy whales and the environment and what’s left of the pristine ocean while raking in $$$ . Nuclear is a better option until fusion reactors arrive in 50 years. Windmill maintenance is costly too. In the meantime China continues to burn more coal every year.
You realize the prior guy in DC wanted to put oil rigs off the coast or does that not fit into your agenda?
Want to compare the potential enviornmental disaster wind mills vs oil rigs?
Are you making the case that we bury the nuclear waste off the coast of Stone Harbor?
Because while I support nuclear that is the question that needs to be answered-what is the proposal to deal with nuclear waste.
I think we can all be certain he doesn’t want to. Nor do the other folks suddenly discovering their deep love of ocean life. And I’m sure all of them would be happy to host new nuclear reactors, and waste, in their neighborhoods.
This is one whale of a good example of how some people are led around on their special interest-driven political media leashes.
Claims about offshore wind farms killing whales are unsubstantiated, scientists say
Since December, more than 23 whales have washed up dead along the east coast of the United States, leading wind energy skeptics to lay blame on the pending installation of offshore wind projects. But some scientists say there's no evidence to support those claims.
Seaside Park Whale Buried At The Beach
MARCH 3, 2023
It would be quite the surprise to uncover that while digging a recreational hole on the beach next summer. Ugh.
But 20 years from now you might get some cool whale bones...
Did you see people complaining about dead whales from oil rigs? Or promoting teh oil rigs idea?
That was rhetorical because the answer is NO.. you did not see that.
And we are talking JERSEY.. not DC.
UNSUBSTANTIATED means nothing. If it were substantiated, what would you claim then? You'd claim that the data is wrong or unproven.
Claims about offshore wind farms killing whales are unsubstantiated, scientists say
Since December, more than 23 whales have washed up dead along the east coast of the United States, leading wind energy skeptics to lay blame on the pending installation of offshore wind projects. But some scientists say there's no evidence to support those claims.www.yahoo.com
How about we pause all this crap UNTIL it can be substantiated either way? Or even to see if more whales and other marine mammals survive than we have been seeing.
Huh? Quick google search, first link...
10 years later, whales and dolphins are still recovering from Deepwater Horizon disaster
Ten years ago today, a research ship studying devastation from BP’s Deepwater Horizon found a dead 25-foot-long endangered sperm whale. Oil had been gushing into the Gulf of Mexico for almost two months, without an end in sight. And as a result, the disaster killed almost 100 endangered sperm...
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We are talking about NEW JERSEY and the dead whales and dolphins NOW. And the sonar surveys that someone here assured me were not going on at all.Huh? Quick google search, first link...
10 years later, whales and dolphins are still recovering from Deepwater Horizon disaster
Ten years ago today, a research ship studying devastation from BP’s Deepwater Horizon found a dead 25-foot-long endangered sperm whale. Oil had been gushing into the Gulf of Mexico for almost two months, without an end in sight. And as a result, the disaster killed almost 100 endangered sperm...
What deepwater horizon did or did not do is irrelevant. No one here discussing dead whales is in favor of deepwater oil rigs off New Jersey.. which may require and same sonar surveys anyway.
It is these surveys that are suspected culprit right now because that is NEW to that environment as are the whale kills.
What the bulk of us are suggesting is stop pursuing the wind farms until we know more about this whale kills. And if it were planning surveys for oil rigs going on and whales were dying in these numbers we'd be saying lets stop that until we know more as well.
You know what wouldn't kill whales? Completing the pipelines that Biden halted on Day 1 of his presidency. Building wind farms on land and owned and operated by AMERICANS totally exposed to AMERICAN LAWS.
So stop this nonsense of wanting to discuss oil disasters. Might as well bring up Exxon Valdez. Meaningless in this context.
If only we could just limit the discussion to that narrowly constrained set of facts that supports our wild conjecture while ignoring all evidence that refutes it. Then we’d be having an honest debate.
Right?
Should we do a little research on how much animal life has been killed by pipelines?
Thousands of Animals Killed After 300,000 Gallons of Diesel Spills From Louisiana Pipeline - EcoWatch
Thousands of animals have died after a pipeline spilled more than 300,000 gallons of diesel fuel into a Louisiana wetlands. The oil spill was discovered December 27 east of New Orleans and came from a 16-inch diameter pipeline operated by Collins Pipeline Co. that had significantly corroded.
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Or is evidence showing pipelines killing animal life not relevant because the wildlife isn’t specifically a whale?
Seems like pausing this and doing some research and studies would be best for all parties involved. Shocking that such action hasn’t been taken already.
If Yahoo! News is saying it's unsubstantiated, there's very likely something there. Basically, whatever Yahoo! News and other Operation Mockingbird assets say, just assume the opposite is true. Works about 90 percent of the time.Claims about offshore wind farms killing whales are unsubstantiated, scientists say
Since December, more than 23 whales have washed up dead along the east coast of the United States, leading wind energy skeptics to lay blame on the pending installation of offshore wind projects. But some scientists say there's no evidence to support those claims.
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