OT: New York Mets 2021-2022 Off Season Thread
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The only QO offerees who are still unsigned (other than Conforto) are Correa, Freeman, Castellanos, and Story. Of these, the only one in whom I think the Mets might possibly have interest is Castellanos. But there's been no report of any serious interest thus far.
So I don't think this will be an issue.
None of this matters. The morons who run the game will keep baseball dark for a long time.
I find it hard to sympathize with the players when I see the deals that get thrown around. Especially when I contrast it to the NFL.
And not the owners making oodles more than the players?? The MLB pie keeps growing for the owners and shrinking for the players. Revenue has tripled and has not seeped down. A very small amount of MLB players get monster deals so you need to think about the other 95% of the league.
I don’t blame the players at all. NFL knows it has players by the balls. No first contract guys drafted after the 2nd round can afford a lockout or missed season. And the guys in mega deals in the NFL usually only have about 7-10 real earning years- they won’t give that up either.
Baseball players have so much more leverage and use it. Owners make so much money that these contracts are peanuts to them. And going to a game in Pittsburgh is not 1/4 the price of a Met game even though their payroll is 1/4
Why do you say that? This is a meaningless deadline.
I would advise everyone to calm down until February 1. If no agreement by then, then be concerned. If no agreement by March 1, then be worried.
I’ll say that the one thing I think we see as non negotiable is the term of service teams Fvk young players on…
you are right on the timeline. I do think it pushes a couple of days into March though as owners will use that to try to leverage fans against the players.
Licata and Malusis have been reporting that Stroman was a problem in the locker room. Furthermore the locker room “ camaraderie “ last year was full bs. Locker room had many issues as per Licata and Malusis
Blame? There is no reason to assign blame to anyone... yet.
Agreed, but listening to XM today it appears the players want 5 year FA, $100 million more in revenue and arbitration after year 2. Pretty significant asks for the small market teams.
And? The small market teams pocket money from the richer teams and don't put it back into their teams. It needs to be fixed. I'm looking at Pitt first and foremost for this. Their payrolls are ridiculous and as soon as someone makes more than a few million they trade them off. They'll never be competitive.
The players get screwed big time hardly making money before they hit 30.
Two players who sniffed and drank their HOF careers away. WTF those two are the worse to throw away guaranteed careers up their arses.
I don't think it is. The owners and union haven't been able to agree on anything lately. I think this one is gonna be bad.
You might side with the players if you realized that the owners make massive profits annually. Massive.
They did not have massive losses. They only had a massive reduction in their profits, which, of course, is not at all the same thing.
Small market teams like KC, Miami, Tampa and Milwaukee will no longer be competitive. KC won the WS in 15. Miami was in the playoffs in 2020 and Tampa and Milwaukee were in this year. Force them to into arb after two years and only allow them 5 years with a player almost guarantees they will become farm systems for the major markets. In the long run of the small markets cannot compete you will destroy the game.
According to Mike Ozanian from Forbes (he comes up with teams values every year) and disputed $3.5 billion loss. But it still was a $Billion
"The numbers based on the reporting I have done leading up to Forbes’ annual baseball valuations in April 2021 show baseball’s total revenue dropped about $6.5 billion in 2020, to just under $4 billion. Meanwhile, operating income (earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization) for the league’s 30 teams was a negative $1 billion versus a positive $1.5 billion the prior year."
2020 was a single year. But let’s take the Pirates and their $39 mil payroll. You don’t think they made somewhere between 10-15 x that in other years?
That was the one in year in the last 25 that they might not have turned a profit. In anything close to a normal year the owners make tons of money. Just think of this, the Marlins sold for $1.2 billion a few years ago. They play in front of 12 people per game. They still make money.
Have you seen all the contracts signed this week? The players make money and take zero risk. No different then any other business.
Zero is is a strange way to put it. They have a talent that produces money for the owners. Yes, they are paid great but the owners only make their money because of the players.
yes, owners do deserve to make their money but you can’t say it is zero risk for players- they took the risk when they first started their careers.
Zero risk ? You wanna stand in there vs. an Aroldis Chapman fastball ?
Meanwhile, check out the estimated value of the Yankee fanchise when you were a kid and compare it to what the club is valued at today.
You do know that IBM shares split many times. 1000 shares is now 78,450 shares today
The owners have no risk. Players risk their health everyday they play.
The players are the talent, they're what people pay to watch.
And could have made more investing in bitcoin in the 2010’s- so what.
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