Wow. If that report is accurate, it certainly supports the prior reporting that a bunch of POBO/GM candidates wanted no part of Steve Cohen.
Not Sandy Alderson. Steve Cohen.
OT: New York Mets 2021-2022 Off Season Thread
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Not Sandy Alderson. Steve Cohen.
Compared to the nitwits the previous FO nitwits hired, I’ll take this. At least it’s a focused plan on a specific target.
But it's not a focused plan. It's not a plan at all! It's nothing but the owner's whim, based on... what?
I don't really want Buck but looks like we're headed in that direction.
My wife has been a Mets fan for many years. She was at game when Mets clinched pennant in 69. We have done the drive to Port St Lucie multiple times. Great stops along the way include Annapolis, Charleston, Savanna and St Augustine. This year we are going more west with a stop in Asheville NC. We have stayed in Hilton Garden Inn in Port St Lucie (nice) where my wife met and got pictures of David Wright. Definitely highlight of her trip. Another year we rented a houseboat on Nettles Island. This year going with friends and we are renting through VRBO in Indian River. Stuart and Jensen Beach are close and nice towns. Enjoy. Hope spring training actually happens. The Seven Line from NYC often has some spring training gatherings check online
Max and Jake are the only two guys on the Met’s team that Buck would even allow to tell him to just leave them alone. I am sure other guys like Lindor may try but even his 340 mil would get benched.
the only problem is that worked 10 years ago, not sure it will now.
I see Buck as a win now move but ends up a disaster in 4-5 years.
Disaster in 4-5 years? Who cares about 4-5 years from now? It's about now. A manager can easily be fired and then there is no more disaster. Mets need a professional manager such as Buck or Bochy to install discipline / leadership / efficiently game day manage the team and to bench problems when needed which didn't occur last year. Scherzer / Marte / Escobar will manage the clubhouse for which the so called leaders of the team last year were incapable of doing.
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My mother lives there and i may visit next in March. Jensen beach is great in the spring…. Great places to stay on Hutchinson Island… i know Daryl Strawberry and Randy myers stayed there years ago. It’s about a half hour from the stadium with traffic
Have to say I’m royally pumped by this Scherzer signing. Thinking it falls behind only Piazza for me in the last couple decades.
Hiring Buck as manager would be the smartest thing the Mets do in a long, long time. We need the Bucks of the world back as MLB managers and stop being a blind slave to analytics. Yes, analytics have a place, but so does solid baseball judgement.
I would be thrilled to have Buck replace Boone as the Yanks manager.
I would be thrilled to have Buck replace Boone as the Yanks manager.
Starting to look like Buck has the edge. I have already stated that he is the one guy I am very uncertain of. Not because of his talent but because the world may have passed him by. It is very similar to the new age of sales in corporate america. There is the new age sales that have no clue about hand shakes and you have the older group that believe a relationship is much more important then value. Both groups are wrong if they do not learn to incorporate both sides of the equation. If Buck can show that he has changed a little but still keep old school- then it may work but anyone that thinks that a 65 year old guy who is going to be 'my way or the high way" can work with the modern day athlete, is just fooling themselves. If it ends up Buck- I will give him a chance but too much of me feels it just becomes the Buck/Sandy show
Joel Sherman of NYP has reported that the mystery sixth candidate is Clayton McCullough, LA Dodgers 1B coach. Interviewed today.
Martino's update on the managerial search:
- The first round of interviews, with the six aforementioned candidates (was seven, but Kelly withdrew) is over.
- Second round will commence as early as this weekend, Monday the latest. These will be in person, unlike the first round which was Zoom. There will be no more than three finalists. Cohen will be involved. No word about Alderson.
- Showalter is the favorite.
Really don’t care who the manager is. Managers in baseball have little impact on season long winning and losing. Look no further than Joe Torre’s career to see how little managers mean. If you were to believe that managers have a significant impact, then Torre was a terrible manager at the start of his career (Mets), then mediocre to bad (Braves, Cards), then suddenly incredible (Yankees), then mediocre again (LA). What really mattered: the roster.
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There have been many good rosters that didn't win. The Torre Yankees could have easily been a good but not great team under a manager that didn't know how to work with the greatness he had. A bad manager can destroy a team. You are right that a manager in 2021 is no longer the game day strategist but their role has become much different and may even be tougher.
FWIW, a Dodgers site is reporting that both Geren and McCullough (current Dodger coaches) have made it to the second round of interviews.
The article cites no sources. I am skeptical.
www.dodgersnation.com
The article cites no sources. I am skeptical.
Dodgers: Mets Meeting With Pair of LA Coaches in Second Round of Managerial Interviews
With the MLB lockout in full swing, player movement is frozen. At least at the major league level. But minor league activity and organizational moves are still allowed and, in this case, that’s bad news for the Dodgers. The New York Mets are in the process of interviewing well regarded baseball...
www.dodgersnation.com
I hope your skepticism is warranted. Regardless it’s Buck s job to lose imho.FWIW, a Dodgers site is reporting that both Geren and McCullough (current Dodger coaches) have made it to the second round of interviews.
The article cites no sources. I am skeptical.
Dodgers: Mets Meeting With Pair of LA Coaches in Second Round of Managerial Interviews
With the MLB lockout in full swing, player movement is frozen. At least at the major league level. But minor league activity and organizational moves are still allowed and, in this case, that’s bad news for the Dodgers. The New York Mets are in the process of interviewing well regarded baseball...
I think you are right. But we must remember that Cohen openly admires the Dodgers as his model of what a big market team should look like and how it should operate.
You could also cite Casey Stengel, who had no success with the Boston Braves and Brooklyn Dodgers, did terrifically with the New York Yankees (winning 10 pennants and 7 world championships in 12 years) and then terribly with the Mets (the less said the better). I think the truth is that a good manager is not sufficient to make a team good; after all, the manager can't hit or pitch or field But no team wins without a good manager; it's one of the needed elements. As @yesrutgers01 says above, a bad manager can destroy a team.
I undestand your point but think good teams win with just about anybody managing. I believe it was Gene Mauch who said that managers are worth about five games a year. He had the right idea, but I also think that he was being a bit generous.
Mauch *would* say that: he's the guy who blew the 1964 pennant for the Phillies by panicking and going to a two-man rotation. Even if he's right, five games can cause a big difference in whether a team, say, qualifies for the playoffs.
Or he didn't. We just know that the Phillies lost. But, as I mentioned, I think Mauch was being generous with five games. That said, if you think a manager could make 2 or 3 games difference in a season, well that's something. But its also arguing around the edges. Directed to no one in particular, and stealing yet again from the Bill Clinton campaign, "It's the roster, stupid."
We also know what Mauch did, and pitching guys on a day's rest is something your grandmother would have known not to do. I agree that the roster is the most important thing; but it's not the only thing. It's not a matter just of how many games are won or lost by in-game decisions, although I think that's more important than you do. It's a matter of effectiveness in managing men; of making them comfortable with their roles and keeping them relaxed. It's also a matter of picking the right roles for players.
As I'm sure you know, what lies between the most important thing and the only thing is a lot. But, when it comes to the roster, I'm much closer to the only thing than I am to the most important thing. I'm pretty confident that analytics have concluded the same, which doesn't necessarily make me right. But it's interesting.
How many times over the past few years have we seen our managers go to the bullpen, use Diaz in non save or mult innings and see a game blow up. Pull a starter a inning after the K 3 on 12 pitches, etc. Even sitting players a game after they have 3 hits. I know that it is analytics making these decisions but a good manager still over rides some of these dumb decisions.Maybe it is only 3-5 games per year but how many times is 3-5 games the difference between playoffs or not.
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