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OT: New York Mets 2021-2022 Off Season Thread

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My facebook feed had a video of the Orioles' last at-bat in the 1969 World Series. The Mets led 5-3 behind the pitching of Jerry Koosman. (The Senator, as he came to be called in his older years, started and finished.) The Orioles got a runner on first. With two out, Davey Johnson (of all people) came to bat. He hit a fly ball to left. I remember listening on the radio,and the announcer made it seem that the ball was caught against the wall. (A professor from NYC commented that his knuckles turned white clutching his car's steering wheel.) But the video shows a routine fly ball being caught by Cleon Jones at the edge of the warning track. Have I really misremembered it all these years??
Was hit deep but never made it to warning track. Though Davy thought he got all of it when it came off the bat.
 
While we wait for the news of the weekend, here's something I never knew until just now...

Ken Griffey Jr. was very nearly a Met. A 30 year old, in the peak of his prime, Ken Griffey Jr. He was traded from Seattle to the Mets after the 1999 season. Griffey Jr. for Armando Benitez, Roger Cedeno, and Octavio Dotel. It was a done deal.

Until Griffey Jr. used his 10 and 5 rights to veto it. He wanted to go to his hometown of Cincinnati, which he eventually did.

We will never know whether Griffey Jr. would have made a difference in the 2000 World Series. Nor do we know if the Mets would have been able to re-sign him, as he was a one ybeear rental. Fun to speculate though.

Am I the only one who didn't know this?
And what a steal that would have been.
 
While we wait for the news of the weekend, here's something I never knew until just now...

Ken Griffey Jr. was very nearly a Met. A 30 year old, in the peak of his prime, Ken Griffey Jr. He was traded from Seattle to the Mets after the 1999 season. Griffey Jr. for Armando Benitez, Roger Cedeno, and Octavio Dotel. It was a done deal.

Until Griffey Jr. used his 10 and 5 rights to veto it. He wanted to go to his hometown of Cincinnati, which he eventually did.

We will never know whether Griffey Jr. would have made a difference in the 2000 World Series. Nor do we know if the Mets would have been able to re-sign him, as he was a one year rental. Fun to speculate though.

Am I the only one who didn't know this?
As famous as he is, he would have been far more so had he come to New York. But I think he preferred small market towns. We all know that New York is a tough town to play in, and perhaps he just wanted something less pressured. I don't mean that as a knock on him.
 
While we wait for manager news. I'm going to change it up now with a trivia question about Met Mascots.

The Mets have had four official mascots in their history. Two of them you know: Mr. Met and Mrs. Met (originally Lady Met). The others had very brief runs - only one year each, way back when. Anyone recall either or both of them?

Hint: They were both animals. Not people in animal costumes, actual animals.
 
While we wait for manager news. I'm going to change it up now with a trivia question about Met Mascots.

The Mets have had four official mascots in their history. Two of them you know: Mr. Met and Mrs. Met (originally Lady Met). The others had very brief runs - only one year each, way back when. Anyone recall either or both of them?

Hint: They were both animals. Not people in animal costumes, actual animals.
Only remember Homer the beagle and the funny story of his debut.
 
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Yes, Homer the Beagle! The Mets original mascot back in 1962. Here he is:

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The original plan was to have Homer sit in the dugout with the team! Casey Stengel vetoed that idea in a hurry.

I think the story that @WhiteBus is referring to is: The Mets tried to train Homer to run around the bases, which they would then have him do after a Met hit a homer. (Why they thought MLB would put up with that is unclear, but whatever.) Anyway, one day they sent him out to do his thing. He touched first and second, but then made a bee line to centerfield. Reportedly he had to be wrangled by three outfielders, two ushers, and his rather embarrassed handler.

That was the beginning of the end of Homer's career.

The other Met animal mascot was a one year wonder in the dark days of 1979. I'll see if anyone can come up with him, and then provide the answer later.
 
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And here, from the dark days of 1979, is the Mets other official animal mascot.

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METTLE THE MULE!

After the death of original Mets owner Joan Payson, her daughter Lorinda DeRoulet assumed control of the team. Apparently Lorinda's daughter Bebe convinced her that it would be a good idea to get a mule as their new mascot, Mr. Met having been retired by then. (More about that in a later post.) I assume this was inspired by Charlie Finley's mule mascot in Oakland.

So for the 1979 season, Arthur the Mule made his entrance. Why Arthur? No one seems to know. Reportedly there were discussions about having the mule wheel in Met relief pitchers from the bullpen. Thankfully, that idea never got anywhere.

Later that season, the Mets ran a contest to rename the mule. The winning entry was "Mettle", which actually is a damn good nickname for a Mets mascot.

Sadly, all good things must end. After the 1979 season, deRoulet sold the team to the Doubleday/Wilpon partnership. They apparently had no use for Mettle, and that was that.

Mettle is gone, but not forgotten,

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And now, on to Mr. and Mrs. Met:

As mentioned previously, Homer the Beagle was the Mets original mascot. Mr. Met was first seen in 1963, but only as a sketched image. Mr. Met's first appearance as an actual live mascot was in 1964. Here is an early prototype of the costume:

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If you think that was creepy, this Mr. Met 2.0 is even creepier. It's obviously a re-enactment as it was shot at the Mets Hall of Fame.

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Lady Met soon followed. She didn't get to wear a uniform.

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Sadly, by 1975 Mr. Met had run its course. There are different reasons for his demise. One is that the San Diego Chicken, soon followed by the Phillie Phanatic, redefined what a sports mascot should be. Mr. Met, who didn't really do anything, was no longer cool. More likely though, it was just a matter of cutting costs.

It was not until 1994 that Mr. Met re-emerged.

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Mr. Met's family made an appearance in 2005. Note the baby in Mrs. Met's arms. However, Mrs. Met did not become a permanent fixture until 2013.

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And here is the happy couple today:

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Mr. Met was indeed a trend setter. Back in 1964, he was the first "modern" (human being in costume) MLB mascot. Today, 27 of the 30 teams have one.
 
And here, from the dark days of 1979, is the Mets other official animal mascot.

26mettle-bats-blogSpan.jpg


METTLE THE MULE!

After the death of original Mets owner Joan Payson, her daughter Lorinda DeRoulet assumed control of the team. Apparently Lorinda's daughter Bebe convinced her that it would be a good idea to get a mule as their new mascot, Mr. Met having been retired by then. (More about that in a later post.) I assume this was inspired by Charlie Finley's mule mascot in Oakland.

So for the 1979 season, Arthur the Mule made his entrance. Why Arthur? No one seems to know. Reportedly there were discussions about having the mule wheel in Met relief pitchers from the bullpen. Thankfully, that idea never got anywhere.

Later that season, the Mets ran a contest to rename the mule. The winning entry was "Mettle", which actually is a damn good nickname for a Mets mascot.

Sadly, all good things must end. After the 1979 season, deRoulet sold the team to the Doubleday/Wilpon partnership. They apparently had no use for Mettle, and that was that.

Mettle is gone, but not forgotten,

mets-banner-day-2012-metspolice.com-125.jpg
I remember the mule. They should make a cool mascot uniform and bring him back. Mr. Met isn't entertaining at all.
 
Not my choice, but my opinion was not solicited.

Cohen said on Day 1 that he was not fond of having his employees get on the job training on his dime. So we'll see.
 
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Buck will become the fifth man to manage both the Yankees and Mets. Can you name the other four?
 
Not surprised at all. It's not like there was any competition for Showalter's services.
Buck has turned down a job/interview every year when he was not a manager. He has taken 3 years off between each job. He won Manager of the Year in 3 of his 4 stops and should have won with Arizona. The crap some of you post is incredibly stupid.
I hope you were just trying to be funny. Use emojis
 
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Buck has turned down a job/interview every year when he was not a manager. He has taken 3 years off between each job. He won Manager of the Year in 3 of his 4 stops and should have won with Arizona. The crap some of you post is incredibly stupid. Made more stupid that you could have looked it up BEFORE you posted dumbshit.
I hope you were just trying to be funny. Use emojis
I stand by my statement. THERE WAS NO COMPETITION FOR SHOWALTER'S SERVICES. There were only two jobs available this year - Mets and A's. The A's had no interest in Showalter. In fact, of the Mets three finalists, Showalter was the only one whom the A's did not interview.

Ergo, if Showalter wants to manage this year, he accepts the terms the Mets offer. If Cohen says three years, then three years it is.

How is that statement even remotely controversial?
 
I stand by my statement. THERE WAS NO COMPETITION FOR SHOWALTER'S SERVICES. There were only two jobs available this year - Mets and A's. The A's had no interest in Showalter. In fact, of the Mets three finalists, Showalter was the only one whom the A's did not interview.

Ergo, if Showalter wants to manage this year, he accepts the terms the Mets offer. If Cohen says three years, then three years it is.

How is that statement even remotely controversial?
I read your post as no one has wanted Buck since 2018. My apologies. But be fair. Buck wouldn't even answer the phone for the A's.
I think Mets hiring is a great move. He brings organization to your team which lacks it. He will make a huge difference for the Mets.
 
Agreed. Beltran has served his sentence.

The question in my mind is whether Beltran is Showalter's choice, or whether Showalter has agreed to take him. There is a difference.
Im guessing this is a Showalter move. He doesn't want to coach forever and I think it's a smart move to get the job to talk about your replacement being on board from day 1. We will know if this is true in the coming days. If so Mets fans should be thrilled.
 
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Im guessing this is a Showalter move. He doesn't want to coach forever and I think it's a smart move to get the job to talk about your replacement being on board from day 1. We will know if this is true in the coming days. If so Mets fans should be thrilled.
Sounds good to me
 
Yankees fan here. I think your team made a really good move with an experienced manager/baseball mind. Cohrn was wise to not go with another first time manager. I think Buck will also push back on the analytics trend and blend them with his gut/experience.
 
I'm hardly an expert, but none of these issues seem like they should be life or death to either side. My guess is that we'll see a deal early enough so that spring training can open on time.
I am going to respectfully disagree. If the issues are not life or death why institute a lockout now and stop talking. Could have waited to February 1 to initiate a lockout. I hope I am wrong but I think the small market owners see maintaining as much of the status quo as possible as their last hope to stay competitive. If FA goes to 5 years and arbitration to 2 years of service time, the window narrows for the smaller markets to develop young talent and compete before they have to trade or lose their best players.
 
I am going to respectfully disagree. If the issues are not life or death why institute a lockout now and stop talking. Could have waited to February 1 to initiate a lockout. I hope I am wrong but I think the small market owners see maintaining as much of the status quo as possible as their last hope to stay competitive. If FA goes to 5 years and arbitration to 2 years of service time, the window narrows for the smaller markets to develop young talent and compete before they have to trade or lose their best players.
You have to have a lock out when the contract expires. That is part of the rules of the agreement between the owners and players. No one was surprised by it. It part of the requirements. People were pissed that the Yankees took down a billboard with Judge on it. They had to. They no longer hold the rights to his image
 
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