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OT: New York Mets 2021-2022 Off Season Thread

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The owners have no risk. Players risk their health everyday they play.
The players are the talent, they're what people pay to watch.
Tell that to all the owners of minor league teams that got cut last year. Players just moved on to another team. Why you don't understand this isn't any different than any other major corporation in the US. The people that own the company make a lot more then the employees.
 
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According to Mike Ozanian from Forbes (he comes up with teams values every year) and disputed $3.5 billion loss. But it still was a $Billion
"The numbers based on the reporting I have done leading up to Forbesannual baseball valuations in April 2021 show baseball’s total revenue dropped about $6.5 billion in 2020, to just under $4 billion. Meanwhile, operating income (earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization) for the league’s 30 teams was a negative $1 billion versus a positive $1.5 billion the prior year."
Keep in mind that numbers like these are just educated guesses because the owners have never opened their books to inspection. Never.
 
Tell that to all the owners of minor league teams that got cut last year. Players just moved on to another team. Why you don't understand this isn't any different than any other major corporation in the US. The people that own the company make a lot more then the employees.
We're talking MLB not minor league baseball. And as far as the minors go, the players on those teams basically make minimum wage. So yeah the owners whose teams were eliminated suffered but not as much as the typical A ball player has been suffering for decades. Try again.
 
You do know that IBM shares split many times. 1000 shares is now 78,450 shares today
Using the calculator on the the ibm site (link below) one share of stock bought in January 1972 (as far as calculator goes back) for $333 is now worth $2446 for a 7.4 fold increase in value.

steinbrenner bought the Yankees in 1973 for $10 million and the team is valued at $5 billion for a 500 fold increase.

I know the dates are not perfectly aligned with your hypothesis but more than close enough.

your math is wrong according to IBM.

 
You do know that IBM shares split many times. 1000 shares is now 78,450 shares today
Why do you think that's relevant? When a company does, say, a 2 for 1 stock split, every share holder doubles his holdings. The person who bought 1000 shares then would have those 78,000plus plus shares today.
 
Why do you think that's relevant? When a company does, say, a 2 for 1 stock split, every share holder doubles his holdings. The person who bought 1000 shares then would have those 78,000plus plus shares today.
1000 shares at $18 a share ($18,000) in 1966 is now 78,450 valued at $9.5 million
 
1000 shares at $18 a share ($18,000) in 1966 is now 78,450 valued at $9.5 million

That is some crazy math that you are using. The $18 cost per share from 1966 is adjusted for splits.

Investing 101... splits do not change the market cap of a company. If you bought 1000 shares for $100 per share (total of $100,000) and then the next day the stock split 2:1, then you would have 2000 shares at $50 per share (still total of $100,000).

In your example, you would have to multiple 78,450 X $18 (1966 price) and compare it to 78,450 x ~$116 (today's price).
 
Using the calculator on the the ibm site (link below) one share of stock bought in January 1972 (as far as calculator goes back) for $333 is now worth $2446 for a 7.4 fold increase in value.

steinbrenner bought the Yankees in 1973 for $10 million and the team is valued at $5 billion for a 500 fold increase.

I know the dates are not perfectly aligned with your hypothesis but more than close enough.

your math is wrong according to IBM.

Does it calculate all of the splits? During my time- 81-88 and again 92-95…IBM stock must have done at least 3 or 4 2-1 and 3-1 splits.
 
That is some crazy math that you are using. The $18 cost per share from 1966 is adjusted for splits.

Investing 101... splits do not change the market cap of a company. If you bought 1000 shares for $100 per share (total of $100,000) and then the next day the stock split 2:1, then you would have 2000 shares at $50 per share (still total of $100,000).

In your example, you would have to multiple 78,450 X $18 (1966 price) and compare it to 78,450 x ~$116 (today's price).
I didn’t see that you beat me to it…lol
 
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LMAO, I feel sick posting in the thread of the team of love, so much virus in here the last 2 days. I'm guessing The Dead Zone is Dead again. 😉
 
Using the calculator on the the ibm site (link below) one share of stock bought in January 1972 (as far as calculator goes back) for $333 is now worth $2446 for a 7.4 fold increase in value.

steinbrenner bought the Yankees in 1973 for $10 million and the team is valued at $5 billion for a 500 fold increase.

I know the dates are not perfectly aligned with your hypothesis but more than close enough.

your math is wrong according to IBM.

This is not really a fair comparison since the Yankees are really just a steakhouse chain with a baseball team attached for marketing purposes.
 
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There is a reason why Buck hasn't has a MGR job in years. Today's core managerial competency is "collaboration". Showalter, and those of his ilk, aren't really known for their ability to play well with others.
 
I have no interest in Buck. I have a hard time imagining him managing a current team. Bochy could be interesting if you went that way.
Alfonso May be interesting if we go with a first time manager but would want an experienced bench coach. Wouldn’t mind finding a place in the organization for Grandy…
 
Since it isn't players during the lockout, we'll still get plenty of manager talk during the winter. I'd hope we have our guy before The New Year! Finally going to do a trip down the Eastern Seaboard, hitting historic places along the way to Port St. Lucie and Mets Spring Training. I've been retired going on 7 years, since I had turned 60 in 2015, and what held back this trip was our Golden Retriever, who had many ailments, which didn't allow anyone to watch her. After 14 years, this August we had to put her down, bitter sweet for sure. Broke our hearts, and we decided never again, too painful, but now this trip is in our plans. Any suggestions from people that have taken this trip, places to stay, places to visit would be greatly appreciated. We are in no rush, just want to take in a couple of Mets games, but everything else is on the table. Going to rent a big ass SUV so as to not tear up our cars, lol.
 
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Would be ironic that the man who denied us in 88 leads us back to break the drought. Yes, Orel was unhittable but it never gets to game 7 without Sciocia's HR. He owes us. BTW why the heck wasn't Myers on the mound to start the inning? IIRC Shelby was a switch hitter but better from the left side. Myers would have forced him to bat right.
Thing was, we owned the Dodgers in the regular season. The Mets had taken 10 of 11 regular-season meetings, outscoring the Dodgers by 49-18, and finished with 100 wins -- six more than Los Angeles. With that said, we've seen time and again that trend reversed come money time, by teams with way more playoff experience than us.
 
Long over due, as a player and of course as a manager.
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Crazy that Hodges was shutout for so long. Over a full decade he was number 2 in HR and RBI and when he retired he was number 3 in HR’s for a RH hitter. Add in fielding and then managing. Just crazy. Even more so because everyone also agreed that he was one of the nicest men you would meet.
On the other hand- Kaat was a good pitcher but not sure he is even in the next rung down.
 
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If Buck agreed to an interview, then he wants the big stage again. Sign me up for Buck or Scioscia.
 
I can't get my head around Buck as Manager here. He will have at least two other guys he will have to report to and take direction from. We may get to 90 wins first year but it would end up a complete shitshow.
 
Martino's update:
* He confirmed the five candidates: Showalter, Ausmus, Kelly, Espada, and Quatraro.

* May be one or two more. However, Granderson and Wright are not expected to be included.

* Interviews are being conducted by Eppler and his staff, will run up to five hours each.

* Ausmus was interviewed yesterday. Quatraro scheduled for today.

* The list will then be cut down and Uncle Steve will meet with the finalists. Or maybe just the one finalist. Not sure what role Sandy will play if any.

Hope to wrap it up by end of next week.
 
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