Bizarre, he is completely clueless. The crap that jumps into people's heads with no history, no facts is crazy. Just another sky is falling person.
OT: New York Yankees 2024-2025 Off Season Thread
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You clearly don’t understand brand equity and the impact it has on franchise value especially after winning or losing a WS. That 5th inning is already being called the single worst inning of baseball in World Series history. The whole series was an embarrassment. The Yankees will always be the Yankees mainly because they are NY’s team (sorry Mets) and have a rich history, but they have already gone 15 years with no title and unless they pull off a miracle may not even make the playoffs next year - which is how this convo started - Yanks need to spend big. I never said the Yankees are going to be the Expos. But you do realize that LA’s franchise value went up significantly this week and their merchandise sales will skyrocket, tickets will be in more demand next year, road ticket sales will increase, etc. Not to mention LA will continue to dominate the Japanese market. I’ll keep it simple for you - do you think the NYY franchise is worth more today than it was two weeks ago?
Actually you know nothing about brand value! I mean totally nothing!
LA may dominate the Japan market but the MLB gets that money. The Yankees are benefiting equally on overseas marketing just like any other team!
A few articles may be slightly dated and I assume you are mainly talking about the MLB broadcast rights or the Fanatics deal. Otherwise you are utterly clueless but your arrogance is what’s the most objectionable. LA owns the Japanese market.
Dodgers will recoup Ohtani's contract with revenue generated by his presence
The Los Angeles Dodgers hope to leverage Shohei Ohtani’s arrival into even more money for a franchise that is already one of the most popular in Major League Baseball.
www.sportsbusinessjournal.com
Shohei Ohtani helps Dodgers draw Japan sponsorships in World Series run
Superstar buoys Major League Baseball's marketing push in Asia
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Read Forbes valuation of teams. There is no emotion off a bad loss even if they sucked in a WS game. It's income dummy. And owning your own venue! Look at the top two. Educate yourself on sports teams value!A few articles may be slightly dated and I assume you are mainly talking about the MLB broadcast rights or the Fanatics deal. Otherwise you are utterly clueless but your arrogance is what’s the most objectionable. LA owns the Japanese market.
Dodgers will recoup Ohtani's contract with revenue generated by his presence
The Los Angeles Dodgers hope to leverage Shohei Ohtani’s arrival into even more money for a franchise that is already one of the most popular in Major League Baseball.
Shohei Ohtani helps Dodgers draw Japan sponsorships in World Series run
Superstar buoys Major League Baseball's marketing push in Asia
The World’s 50 Most Valuable Sports Teams 2023
The NFL remains the most dominant league financially, but it’s not the fastest-growing sport in terms of value.
www.forbes.com
Aldo, your single focus on brand share is noted, but do you really think the Yankees will suffer financially from this WS loss? Fans will continue to gnash their teeth and moan over missed plays over the off-season, but once spring training starts, it's back to baseball for the team and its fans. Who knows what off-season moves the Yankees will make to continue to make themselves competitive, but we know they will. Brand identity and loyalty is a business matter certainly, but I doubt there will be a drop-off of Yankee gear because they lost a WS.
WhiteBus has taken the convo completely away from the point = which was that Yankees will need to spend big this offseason, and that includes Soto, because if they don’t make the playoffs next season then, yes, there will be a drop-off. In fact, I’m glad he provided that article. Because if the guy could read he would have seen that the Yankees (and Knicks) HAVE THE LOWEST CHANGE IN VALUE % OF ANY TEAMS IN THE TOP 10. And it’s not even like the Yankees stunk the past 5 years. Spend a few minutes and run a comparison across the top 25 and it’s not good for a legendary team in the largest market in the World. Yanks ruled the baseball world for decades. Then the Red Sox punched them in the face and since then it’s been a mixed bag. Just think about what winning/Brady did for the Patriots value. They went from a terrible low value franchise to one of the most valuable. And now it’s slipping for obvious reasons.
The same social media crowd that you're freaking about, will either immediately or shortly forget everything about this World Series collapse and move on to the next hot topic. Baseball isn't exactly some hot sport either when it comes to creating new fans. I'm pretty sure the Yankees brand will be fine both now and in the future.
ShortBus - I was going to tell you the same thing. Clearly math (and reading) is hard for you. NYY is the most storied franchise in the history of sports (27 titles) and its value has gone up 78% in 5 years - that’s pathetic for the biggest market in the World. The GS Warriors went up 126% and jumped 5 spots to #3. The only reason the Yankees aren’t #1 by a mile is because they haven’t won anything in 15 years. Nobody is even close to their dominance in sports other than the Montreal Canadiens (25 cups). Again, Yankees need to make this WS debacle go away and that means spending $$$ and hoping everyone stays healthy.
Let’s get something straight = the Yankees did NOT gain more fans as a result of this WS. So if they didn’t gain fans…then that means they either stayed the same or lost fans. Just a FYI - that’s usually not a good thing if you are running a team/business. If the Yankees came back to win this series in epic fashion I’d be willing to bet their value would have increased in next couple years to overtake the Cowboys.
Do you view every other team in sports through the same lens? If so, every team lost value due to not winning the World Series.
Besides, I'm worried about winning games, not the number of people in the fanbase, the attendance numbers, TV ratings, social media view count or franchise value. People will still want to play for the Yankees, and that's all that matters going into the offseason. They still had a better season than every other team in baseball not named the Dodgers.
Yes - at the end of the day sports teams are a business - everyone seems to forget that. Winning and losing have a huge effect on franchise value with a few exceptions. KC and Golden State are best examples. So again - Yanks must spend to make up for this WS disaster and break the 16 year streak.
I'm curious why you are obsessed with valuation impact in a thread about offseason moves? In terms of cash flow to impact paying player salaries, valuation does not come into play unless borrowing or full/partial sales come into play. The adverse impact of getting to the WS and not winning with added drama generally elicits fan emotion. The adverse impact of being out of the playoffs and irrelevant generally elicits fan apathy. As most Rutgers fans would know.....Emotion is Greater than Apathy when it comes to renewed interest.
That all being said......what does any of this have to do with offseason decisions involving the FO, Coaches and FA players such as Soto, Torres, Rizzo etc?
Hate to say it but I agree with Whitebus on this one- losing the WS is not hurting the Yankee brand at all. How in hell does a team who just made the WS lose Brand, when they didn't lose interest in the 15 years they didn't make the WS. Take football for example- just because the Chiefs have replaced the Patriots as the hot team to follow- do you think it has hurt the Cowboys?
Yankees will stay the biggest brand in Baseball.
Yankees will stay the biggest brand in Baseball.
Not really sure how we got on the subject of valuation other than I started by saying Yankees will have to spend BIG in order to return to the WS and make up for what has created fan outrage like nobody has seen since Gonzalez’s walk-off in 2003 or Red Sox breaking the curse. Way worse thanks to social media now. Yankees can’t go another 15 years without a WS. Judge/Cole/Stanton in or near mid-30s. No clear blue-chips in farm system to my knowledge. The Soto sweepstakes will get crazy. Also hoping Yanks can grab Roki Sasaki or Yamashita. Point is - Yanks need help. Whereas, people already talking repeat for LA.
It’s absolutely hurt the Cowboys. KC has taken share - their market value is up 105% in 5 years whereas Cowboys are only up 80%. That’s a huge difference. Doesn’t mean the Cowboys aren’t worth $9B just means the Cowboys value isn’t growing as fast and that’s because they haven’t won anything recently. Raiders are up 156% because the move to Vegas created a whole new fanbase to layer on top of the old. Regardless, most of this stuff is falling on deaf ears and doesn’t really matter until it starts to impact Yankees ability to spend $$$.
Who gives a chit ? ONLY 80 % ?
Perhaps we should set up a GoFundMe page for them.
OK NP…so you don’t understand business…no biggie. As long as Yanks crush FA market and fill the glaring holes this thread mostly a waste of key strokes.
No team has spit the bit more in the playoffs in the past 10 years than the Dodgers. All the LA gear is only about Ohtani and MLB's ephasis on making him the face of baseball regardless of his gambling habits.
Mahomes stuff purchases go to the league and players association not to the Chiefs. Don't believe people that don't understand financially issues.
ShortBus - honestly you can’t read…nobody said the money goes in KC/Mahomes’ pocket - I am aware of the Fanatics deal. The point was simply that winning increases brand awareness/value and SB wins took a lost KC franchise who’s claim to fame was being the Broncos doormat and now they have fans everywhere. I had more Mahomes football players ring my doorbell on Halloween than Giants or Jets players. Get a clue pal you are seriously a bozo. You embarrass yourself over and over again.
I guess, to your point- only the champion gets to increase their market share?
You do realize- the Yankees also made it to the World Series.
And while the Dodgers benefit more this year by winning it, the Yanks increased 80% by your account.
Brand awareness and brand value are two different things. You are the one that keeps combining them not me. Obviously you still didn't read the Forbes article because you hate facts or think you're smarter than Forbes. Yankees #2 Dodgers#25 in the world. Chicken Little was never right.
Rizzo gone = good
Many more need to be dumped.
Cole earned the extra year on his contract.
Actually, Rizzo could be back if he doesn't get an offer from another club and agrees to a modest one-year deal with the Yankees. I'm not hoping for that to happen though.
Not sure bringing Cole back is a no brainer. He might be worth the money this year and next but the last couple of years might look really bad. If they bring Cole back they have to sign Soto.
Yanks don’t have a choice with Cole. IMO same goes for Soto. Hope the Martian can step up. Anyone else in the minors ready to contribute?
They could let Cole walk and go after Corbin Burns. He's like 4 years younger and would probably cost less.
Interesting take on the state of Yankee affairs. I didn’t realize they played Sinatra for the Dodgers - that’s as bad as the Fat Joe fiasco. IMO if the Yankees couldn’t get Jay-Z you had to go with Billy Joel.
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Yankees commit one last embarrassing act to put exclamation point on letdown 2024
The New York Yankees blew Game 1 of the World Series in a way that legitimately drives a sports fan to the brink of insanity. Somehow, they one-upped themselves
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Yankee Stadium selling Dodgers jerseys during World Series is new low for franchise
The New York Yankees invited the enemy into the stands when the Los Angeles Dodgers crashed Yankee Stadium's World Series party. Buy a Shohei Ohtani jersey!
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Cole has proven he can handle NY. That's a rarity in itself. You gotta resign him.
Everything else hinges on Soto. I doubt we make a lot of moves before then.
Christian Walker (34 years old, 6.8 WAR)
Pete Alonso (30, 5.0)
Carlos Santana (39, 4.5)
Paul Goldschmidt (37, 4.4)
Ryan O'Hearn (31, 3.2) -- club option
Justin Turner (40, 2.2)
Donovan Solano (37, 2.0)
Wilmer Flores (33, 1.6)
Joey Gallo (31, 0.6) -- mutual option
Anthony Rizzo (35, 0.5)
Ty France (30, 0.3)
Josh Bell (32, 0.2)
Yuli Gurriel (41, -0.5)
Ji Man Choi (34, -0.5)
Rowdy Tellez (30, -1.2)
Walker is the best of the bunch but will cost the most. I could also see Rizzo come back on a one year deal with incentives. This is why they're praying for a kid to come up.
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