OT- Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees-INDUCTEES ANNOUNCED

[SkilletHead2]

Your argument over the relative greatness of male teen angst group Nirvana and male teen angst group Pearl Jam......

See...and I thought it was just plain old angst. And Mike McCready can really play....for a male teen.

If it's rock and roll and angst, it's pretty much teen angst. To me, you've got to be able to look back at that stuff from your youth and laugh at it a bit. For me it was the Beatles, the Stones, Dylan, and Phil Ochs. Was a huge Phil Ochs fan. Dylan had the advantage of growing old and getting mature. I always thought he was a jerk, still do, but his lyrics grew up a bit.

McCready plays pretty well what a ton of people before him played. He's good, but doesn't seem to me to be different from other good guitarists. My favorites are the innovators or the guys who played what they played way better than others.

 

[bac2therac]

Plenty of bands have had 1 or 2 good albums, hence, my fascination over the out-of-control "love" for Kobain.

exactly...they could have fallen of the face of the earth after the first two cd....wouldnt be the first time a huge band or artist disappeared. I am not saying they would but bands do fade. Would they have the longevity of Pearl Jam? Music scene was changing and it wasnt just because Kurt Cobain blew his brains out. Even Pearl Jam suffered their decline in music sales and then relevance as we approached the new century. Grunge was ending and we were moving into this stupid TRL teen pop thing that ruined music for the last 20 years.

Its not that I do not think Nirvana deserves HOF status, I just its overkill and too many rose petals have been thrown their way.

 

[ScarletNut]

You're all wrong, all 6 pages of this thread.......only The Monkees and Spice Girls deserve consideration :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

 

[cicero grimes]

Either I have no idea what Rock and Roll means or they don't.

It's them, not you.

 

[RU-AGK]

Nirvana >>>>>> PJ

PJ always seemed like Nirvana-light and just a poor imitation (like most other grunge bands).

This opinion is wrong.

And Grunge as a whole sucked but then again it came so close to the end of the majesty & glory that was Glam Rock/Hair Metal that it would have seemed "less than" no matter what.

 

[RU848789]

Plenty of bands have had 1 or 2 good albums, hence, my fascination over the out-of-control "love" for Kobain.

C'mon NUTS - you were around in '91. Yes, plenty of bands have 1 or 2 good or even great albums, but Nevermind changed the face of music for years to come and it was obviously well before he blew his brains out.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

C'mon NUTS - you were around in '91. Yes, plenty of bands have 1 or 2 good or even great albums, but Nevermind changed the face of music for years to come and it was obviously well before he blew his brains out.

Sorry, still don't get the fascination over him and their music. Did I like it? Absolutely. Lots of whiny stuff, for sure, but good jams nonetheless.

 

[Knight Shift]

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Sorry, still don't get the fascination over him and their music. Did I like it? Absolutely. Lots of whiny stuff, for sure, but good jams nonetheless.

The soundtrack of Scarlet Nation.
General Theme Song for (some) RU Fans:


Game Day Theme Song:


For our Former Coach:

Julie's Theme Song:

 

[bac2therac]

Sorry, still don't get the fascination over him and their music. Did I like it? Absolutely. Lots of whiny stuff, for sure, but good jams nonetheless.

what wasnt good were girls abandoning haltertops and short shorts and stirrups for oversized flannel and baggy jeans during this time period

on the plus side is that everyone listened to this music, nowadays its all that dance and pop crap, guys balls have been cut off

 

[T2Kplus10]

what wasnt good were girls abandoning haltertops and short shorts and stirrups for oversized flannel and baggy jeans during this time period

on the plus side is that everyone listened to this music, nowadays its all that dance and pop crap, guys balls have been cut off

Pop music still hasn't recovered since the late 90's and the Britany/Boy Band era. It has been awful for 20 years and counting.

 

[SkilletHead2]

Pop music still hasn't recovered since the late 90's and the Britany/Boy Band era. It has been awful for 20 years and counting.

And they get all over your lawn! Welcome to the dark side, t.

 

[T2Kplus10]

And they get all over your lawn! Welcome to the dark side, t.

I was thinking this at the age of what, early 20's! Pop music just became horrendous. There is an old Simpson's episode where it's a flashback to Homer's younger days. He is listening to Kiss and Grandpa tell him to turn down that noise. Homer says to "get with it" or something like that. And then Grandpa goes - "I was with it, but then it changed and now it is scary and weird. And it will happen to you too!"

 

[T2Kplus10]

And they get all over your lawn! Welcome to the dark side, t.

Found it! :)

 

[RutgersMO]

Yes has nothing on Steve Perry and Journey . . . . .

Steve Perry: Sam Cooke of the 80's.

MO

 

[SkilletHead2]

Found it! :)

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Yep!

There's always good stuff out there, and there's always trash. And always folks who will try to make an argument for the trash. Some of the lists you see of great whatevers are hilarious.

I remember when the Beatles first appeared and my choir director (eighth grade) said, "If you can still remember their names next year, I'll be impressed."

 

[RutgersMO]

EDIT-THE INDUCTEES:
Joan Baez
Electric Light Orchestra
Journey
Pearl Jam
Tupac Shakur
Yes
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Only 5 get in. Pick your 5.
Shame that only 5 should get in, because it is a travesty that ELO, Journey, Steppenwolf, J. Geils Band, The Cars and Yes are not already in the Hall, and Madonna and other acts having questionable rock credentials are in.
Pearl Jam and Jane's Addiction can wait. It too Van Halen 10 years past their eligibility before they got in.

My 5:
ELO
Journey
The Cars
J. Geils Band
Yes
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Runners Up
Bad Brains
Joan Baez
Steppenwolf

Nominees Jann Wenner will let in above more deserving acts:
Chaka Khan
Kraftwerk
Tupac Shakur

Full List of Nominees:

Bad Brains
Chaka Khan
Chic
Depeche Mode
Electric Light Orchestra
J. Geils Band
Jane’s Addiction
Janet Jackson
Joan Baez
Joe Tex
Journey
Kraftwerk
MC5
Pearl Jam
Steppenwolf
The Cars
The Zombies
Tupac Shakur
Yes

Where the HELL is Todd R?

What does he have to do....destroy the RR HOF to SAVE IT?

MO

 

[mildone]

on the plus side is that everyone listened to this music, nowadays its all that dance and pop crap, guys balls have been cut off

I agree that a lot of what passes for popular music today seems like over-processed crap to me. However, I'm failing to understand the connection between that and guys balls.

 

[RUbacker]

No I am not. They don't get along. Jon Anderson has not been with the Band for almost ten years. Chris Squire, Steve Howe preceded to tour when Jon Anderson was sick. Yes is not Yes if Jon Anderson is not singing.

Isn't Chris squire dead ?

 

[The Evil Empire 88]

Yes he passed away about a year and a half ago. And "Yes" still tours

 

[mildone]

Yes he passed away about a year and a half ago. And "Yes" still tours

Yes was never Yes without Bruford.

 

[The Evil Empire 88]

Agreed. But Jon Andersonnis the face of YES

 

[HeyHuey]

The Journey DNA:
Journey will appear with Santana in a trio of concerts, beginning with a date at Madison Square Garden.
The shared shows kick off on April 13 in New York City, then continue to Mohegan Sun Arena in Uncasville, Conn., on April 15, before hitting the PPL Center at Allentown, Penn., on April 16.
The two bands have always been linked, ever since original Santana band member Gregg Rolie and second guitarist Neal Schon split to form Journey in 1973. By 1980, Rolie had departed for a solo career, leaving Schon to lead every successive lineup of Journey. Both have reunited with their old band, and will join fellow classic-era members Carlos Santana, Michael Carabello and Michael Shrieve for a new studio album titled Santana IV, which comes out on April 15.


Read More: Journey and Santana Announce Joint Concert Dates | http://ultimateclassicrock.com/journey-santana-concert/?trackback=tsmclip

 

[AshSaturday]

The Journey DNA:
Journey will appear with Santana in a trio of concerts, beginning with a date at Madison Square Garden.
The shared shows kick off on April 13 in New York City, then continue to Mohegan Sun Arena in Uncasville, Conn., on April 15, before hitting the PPL Center at Allentown, Penn., on April 16.
The two bands have always been linked, ever since original Santana band member Gregg Rolie and second guitarist Neal Schon split to form Journey in 1973. By 1980, Rolie had departed for a solo career, leaving Schon to lead every successive lineup of Journey. Both have reunited with their old band, and will join fellow classic-era members Carlos Santana, Michael Carabello and Michael Shrieve for a new studio album titled Santana IV, which comes out on April 15.


Read More: Journey and Santana Announce Joint Concert Dates | http://ultimateclassicrock.com/journey-santana-concert/?trackback=tsmclip

Sounds like a show we can see at PNC in the summer for $15-$20 but will be $100 at the Garden.

 

[Kbee3]

C'mon NUTS - you were around in '91. Yes, plenty of bands have 1 or 2 good or even great albums, but Nevermind changed the face of music for years to come and it was obviously well before he blew his brains out.

Alright, I agree with you on this one. There aren't many people who appreciate Pearl Jam's music more than I do. But Nevermind was far more impactful than Ten or any other Pearl Jam effort.
Having never seen Nirvana live, I can't really speak on how they measure up to Pearl Jam as a live act. Pearl Jam BTW put on a couple of the best shows I've ever seen....and I've seen a lot of shows.

 

[LotusAggressor]

Slightly, actually. I'd put them in the top 20-25 most influential bands ever and I'd absolutely put Nevermind in the top 5-10 most influential albums ever - go look up any list of most influential albums and you'll often find Nevermind in the top 10. I believe Nirvana could've easily become one of the most influential bands ever, if Kurt hadn't blown his brains out.

You're confusing influence with media hype.

 

[RU848789]

You're confusing influence with media hype.

Uhhh, no. Here's a small sampling of articles lauding Nevermind/Nirvana that took about 2 seconds to find - there are a ton more like them.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/music/wh...nirvanas-1991-album-changed-the-cultural-lan/

http://www.alternet.org/story/15244..._is_the_most_important_rock_album_of_all_time

http://infectiousmagazine.com/10-songs-by-bands-inspired-by-nirvana/

 

[AshSaturday]

Alright, I agree with you on this one. There aren't many people who appreciate Pearl Jam's music more than I do. But Nevermind was far more impactful than Ten or any other Pearl Jam effort.
Having never seen Nirvana live, I can't really speak on how they measure up to Pearl Jam as a live act. Pearl Jam BTW put on a couple of the best shows I've ever seen....and I've seen a lot of shows.

Also:
1)Pearl Jam is one of the best live bands
2) Helped develop alternate Ticketing schemes after protesting Ticketmaster surcharges and fees.

 

[RU848789]

Alright, I agree with you on this one. There aren't many people who appreciate Pearl Jam's music more than I do. But Nevermind was far more impactful than Ten or any other Pearl Jam effort.
Having never seen Nirvana live, I can't really speak on how they measure up to Pearl Jam as a live act. Pearl Jam BTW put on a couple of the best shows I've ever seen....and I've seen a lot of shows.

I'm with you - love both bands - never saw it as an either/or as some do. Saw Nirvana in '91 at City Gardens when they were just breaking and it was like watching a tornado - unpredictable and full of fury - one of my favorite shows and I've seen at least 1000 bands in my life. Saw Pearl Jam a few years later, after they were already big and loved them, too, but I'll take Nirvana.

 

[bac2therac]

Uhhh, no. Here's a small sampling of articles lauding Nevermind/Nirvana that took about 2 seconds to find - there are a ton more like them.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/music/wh...nirvanas-1991-album-changed-the-cultural-lan/

http://www.alternet.org/story/15244..._is_the_most_important_rock_album_of_all_time

http://infectiousmagazine.com/10-songs-by-bands-inspired-by-nirvana/

thats great after the fact....and music snobs writing for website is a little murky to me, what makes their qualification so great to tell us what is good and what sucks

 

[bac2therac]

Pop music still hasn't recovered since the late 90's and the Britany/Boy Band era. It has been awful for 20 years and counting.

TRL live and Carson Daly was the true day the music died

 

[HeyHuey]

Also:
1)Pearl Jam is one of the best live bands
2) Helped develop alternate Ticketing schemes after protesting Ticketmaster surcharges and fees.

Eddie Vedder wasn't the only great thing about Pearl Jam but I could listen to him sing "Lady of Spain" or "Pennies from Heaven" and be somewhat interested.

 

[Kbee3]

Eddie Vedder isn't the only great thing about Pearl Jam but I could listen to him sing "Lady of Spain" or "Pennies from Heaven" and be somewhat interested.

Man, do I agree with THAT.
"Indifference" is probably my favorite by him/them.
BTW, FIFY.

 

[Kbee3]

"Born on third base....thinks he hit a triple."

 

[AshSaturday]

I'm with you - love both bands - never saw it as an either/or as some do. Saw Nirvana in '91 at City Gardens when they were just breaking and it was like watching a tornado - unpredictable and full of fury - one of my favorite shows and I've seen at least 1000 bands in my life. Saw Pearl Jam a few years later, after they were already big and loved them, too, but I'll take Nirvana.

Nirvana better than Pearl Jam live (maybe just the given show in a small venue?)-that's saying a lot. Actually your description of Nirvana is what I'd describe Pearl Jam is like live.
I'd describe Pearl Jam as one of those old 78 rpm vinyl records (vs 33 1/3 and 45 rpm).
Probably the best live band of their "decade" that I've seen along with Green Day (and kudos for them and Hootie and the Blowfish for covering lots of other bands well in their shows I've seem) and to a lesser extent The Dave Matthews Band. Oasis had some great music but the brothers didn't even interact together onstage.

For me it's Bruce and then everyone else (U2, Billy Joel, Bon Jovi, John Mellencamp, Kenny Chesney and Jimmy Buffett for his party like atmosphere.

 

[Kbee3]

For me it's Bruce and then everyone else (U2, Billy Joel, Bon Jovi, John Mellencamp, Kenny Chesney and Jimmy Buffett for his party like atmosphere.

IMO everyone listed above ^^^ with the exception of Bruce and U2 is completely uninteresting.
Bon Jovi ????? Really ??? Jimmy Buffet ???
Yikes.

 

[RU848789]

thats great after the fact....and music snobs writing for website is a little murky to me, what makes their qualification so great to tell us what is good and what sucks

Well, the people who write about music tend to be critics and I have no clue what your point about it being "after the fact" means, so not sure what you're looking for to demonstrate the impact of Nevermind on the music industry and pop culture. Maybe the wiki article on the popularization of alternative rock in the 90s, which includes many sources prior to Cobain's death, might sway you a little bit...

The breakthrough success of the band Nirvana led to the widespread popularization of alternative rock in the 1990s. The release of the band's single "Smells Like Teen Spirit" from its second album Nevermind (1991) "marked the instigation of the grunge music phenomenon". Due to constant airplay of the song's music video on MTV, Nevermind was selling 400,000 copies a week by Christmas 1991.[54] The success of Nevermind surprised the music industry. Nevermind not only popularized grunge, but also established "the cultural and commercial viability of alternative rock in general."[55] Michael Azerrad asserted that Nevermind symbolized "a sea-change in rock music" in which the hair metal that had dominated rock music at that time fell out of favor in the face of music that was authentic and culturally relevant.[56]

Nirvana's surprise success with Nevermind heralded a "new openness to alternative rock" among commercial radio stations, opening doors for heavier alternative bands in particular.[57] In the wake of Nevermind, alternative rock "found itself dragged-kicking and screaming ... into the mainstream" and record companies, confused by the genre's success yet eager to capitalize on it, scrambled to sign bands.[58] The New York Times declared in 1993, "Alternative rock doesn't seem so alternative anymore. Every major label has a handful of guitar-driven bands in shapeless shirts and threadbare jeans, bands with bad posture and good riffs who cultivate the oblique and the evasive, who conceal catchy tunes with noise and hide craftsmanship behind nonchalance."[59] However, many alternative rock artists rejected success, for it conflicted with the rebellious, D.I.Y. ethic the genre had espoused before mainstream exposure and their ideas of artistic authenticity.[60]

Other grunge bands subsequently replicated Nirvana's success. Pearl Jam had released its debut album Ten a month before Nevermind in 1991, but album sales only picked up a year later.[61] By the second half of 1992 Ten became a breakthrough success, being certified gold and reaching number two on the Billboard 200 album chart.[62] Soundgarden's album Badmotorfinger, Alice in Chains' Dirt and Stone Temple Pilots' Core along with the Temple of the Dog album collaboration featuring members of Pearl Jam and Soundgarden, were also among the 100 top-selling albums of 1992.[63] The popular breakthrough of these grunge bands prompted Rolling Stone to nickname Seattle "the new Liverpool."[37] Major record labels signed most of the prominent grunge bands in Seattle, while a second influx of bands moved to the city in hopes of success.[64]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_rock#cite_ref-54

 

[Knight Shift]

Well, the people who write about music tend to be critics and I have no clue what your point about it being "after the fact" means, so not sure what you're looking for to demonstrate the impact of Nevermind on the music industry and pop culture. Maybe the wiki article on the popularization of alternative rock in the 90s, which includes many sources prior to Cobain's death, might sway you a little bit...

The breakthrough success of the band Nirvana led to the widespread popularization of alternative rock in the 1990s. The release of the band's single "Smells Like Teen Spirit" from its second album Nevermind (1991) "marked the instigation of the grunge music phenomenon". Due to constant airplay of the song's music video on MTV, Nevermind was selling 400,000 copies a week by Christmas 1991.[54] The success of Nevermind surprised the music industry. Nevermind not only popularized grunge, but also established "the cultural and commercial viability of alternative rock in general."[55] Michael Azerrad asserted that Nevermind symbolized "a sea-change in rock music" in which the hair metal that had dominated rock music at that time fell out of favor in the face of music that was authentic and culturally relevant.[56]

Nirvana's surprise success with Nevermind heralded a "new openness to alternative rock" among commercial radio stations, opening doors for heavier alternative bands in particular.[57] In the wake of Nevermind, alternative rock "found itself dragged-kicking and screaming ... into the mainstream" and record companies, confused by the genre's success yet eager to capitalize on it, scrambled to sign bands.[58] The New York Times declared in 1993, "Alternative rock doesn't seem so alternative anymore. Every major label has a handful of guitar-driven bands in shapeless shirts and threadbare jeans, bands with bad posture and good riffs who cultivate the oblique and the evasive, who conceal catchy tunes with noise and hide craftsmanship behind nonchalance."[59] However, many alternative rock artists rejected success, for it conflicted with the rebellious, D.I.Y. ethic the genre had espoused before mainstream exposure and their ideas of artistic authenticity.[60]

Other grunge bands subsequently replicated Nirvana's success. Pearl Jam had released its debut album Ten a month before Nevermind in 1991, but album sales only picked up a year later.[61] By the second half of 1992 Ten became a breakthrough success, being certified gold and reaching number two on the Billboard 200 album chart.[62] Soundgarden's album Badmotorfinger, Alice in Chains' Dirt and Stone Temple Pilots' Core along with the Temple of the Dog album collaboration featuring members of Pearl Jam and Soundgarden, were also among the 100 top-selling albums of 1992.[63] The popular breakthrough of these grunge bands prompted Rolling Stone to nickname Seattle "the new Liverpool."[37] Major record labels signed most of the prominent grunge bands in Seattle, while a second influx of bands moved to the city in hopes of success.[64]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_rock#cite_ref-54

Maybe it was covered above, but Nirvana almost single-handedly wiped out the hair metal scene. There is still a lot of resentment by hair metal bands and fans of that music. Interview with Sebastian Bach of Skid Row, followed my comments to story indicates the level of hatred of Nirvana and grunge music. I like both.
https://www.yahoo.com/music/backspi...nd-why-heavy-metal-is-for-life-185807197.html

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  • Drew 21 hours ago
    Nirvana sucks!
    
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  • Drew 21 hours ago
    Greatest era you tasteless grudge geek
    
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  • Army Of One 16 hours ago
    The worst era of music is the current one.
    
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  • Zsa! Zsa! 16 hours ago
    Nirvana BLOWS!! Their Brains Out!!! LITERALLY!! LMAO at a bunch of deluded "Heroin Heroes"... their music was so sad, untalented and depressing...well Kurt Cobain's demise speaks for itself!!
    

 

[RU848789]

Maybe it was covered above, but Nirvana almost single-handedly wiped out the hair metal scene.

That alone, would've been justification enough to put Nirvana into the R&R HOF, lol.

 

[LotusAggressor]

A hero ain't nothing but a sandwich
A Legend ain't nothing but a car
Blow out your brains like Kurt Cobain
And one day you'll be a star.

 

[Kbee3]

A hero ain't nothing but a sandwich
A Legend ain't nothing but a car
Blow out your brains like Kurt Cobain
And one day you'll be a star.

That's just stupid. Go ahead....try it. I'll bet you're not gonna be a star.