No, No, No, No, No, No.
That all qualifies as popular music. It just is NOT Rock and Roll.
And everybody knows that. Just change the friggin name of the Hall.
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No, No, No, No, No, No.
That all qualifies as popular music. It just is NOT Rock and Roll.
And everybody knows that. Just change the friggin name of the Hall.
First, there is no one in Depeche Mode that plays like Peter Hook did.
Second, Depeche Mode music is mostly about ka-ka.
B-O-R-I-N-G.
New Order was never boring.
Honestly, neither, relative to what I would call true experts, although I think I do ok at cocktail parties and on message boards, lol. Probably the only area I might be considered an authority in is chem eng'g and very few people care about that (but at least my management does, which I guess is all that really matters).
Huh? You missed the point of my post & the post I responded to. Neither said that all of these are worthy of the HOF. Instead, it was naming those in the golden age of rap:
"When I think of late 80s through the 90s rap, the golden age of rap, I think about these guys (in no order):"
I've been there a few times and didn't find the place all that interesting. It struck me as not well organized. Rock and Roll is about sound and the actual presentation of the music was not sufficient. There is a huge atrium that is not usable for display. The display space is not large enough and the exhibits are crammed together.
Nirvana...overrated, I am not saying they didnt have an impact but if Kurt Cobain didnt kill himself they would be less popular. Pearl Jam was as big as them in that time period
Couldn't agree more. I hate when they put Cobain on those "which musician is missed more" lists and whatnot.
Sorry, but most experts would disagree with your very narrow definition of rock and roll. The Supremes and every soul, R&B, hip-hop, and funk band definitely belong under the rock and roll umbrella. I like the "School of Rock" history of rock map. It's not as elaborate as some - I like its relative simplicity.
then its not a rock and roll hall of fame...I get why early blues and R&B artists got in because of their influence on what became rock..thats why they are in but hip hop and rap itself are not rock and roll by definition so they really shouldnt be included. This is more like a pop culture hall of fame thats what we are moving toward
That's funny, because my memory is different. Pearl Jam was definitely big, but Nirvana was revered, and Kurt Cobain had an aura about him that Eddie Vedder did not have. Pearl Jam definitely has better musicianship, and their music has had staying power, so no objection to them getting in. My only object to PJ and Green Day is that they should wait while bands that have been passed over and crapped on wait. Also lost in this is what may be considered the trio of Pearl Jam, Nirvana and Stone Temple Pilots--why are Stone Temple Pilots not in the discussion for at least a nomination. And why not the heavier bands like Soundgarden and Alice in Chains? Because Jann Wenner and his cronies don't view heavy and progressive music as worthy?
those bands get diminished because all the talk about grunge is about Nirvana...see thats my issue. These bands were just as popular. Cobain killing himself is what made him so reverered. Not doubt they were very popular at the time too but they have stolen all the attention from the grunge era relegating the other bands like Soundgarden to background status and then you have those who say Alice and STP were ripoffs, of course Alice was there before Nirvana and for me personally I thought Alice with Layne Staley have a better catalog of music than Nirvana and his music even deeper.
I LOVE AIC but they simply don't belong in the HOF LET ALONE Soundgarden (not even close, IMHO).
Maybe there should be a 30-year kinda deal with voting artists in?
Well, you disagree with most music experts/critics, then, which is fine, but just recognize that. I absolutely think hip-hop and rap are under the R&R umbrella - underneath it all, they're not that different, which is why some of my favorite bands/songs are fusions of the two.
You dinosaurs need to stop taking the name so literally. It's been known for a while the Rock N' Roll Hall of Fame is the de facto music HOF. Get over it.
Bullpoopie. Nirvana is one of the top 5-10 most influential bands ever and their first couple of albums are better than anything any grunge band put out. I wish we could have seen where Kurt would've taken the band (well we kind of did - I've always suspected Hole's best songs, which are pretty damn good, were stolen from Kurt by that wench, Courtney and I'm rarely a conspiracy guy).
Right on. Except I don't see AIC or Soundgarden as grunge. They were hard/heavy rock and roll.
And I thought we were going to be music buddies. Live? [sick] Ed K. is a pretentious d-bag and overrated, IMO.
Lightning Crashes makes me puke and laugh at the same time.
Really? Why not?
As bac noted, they were as popular as Nirvana back in the 1990's, and they are both still around. Soundgarden's two albums Badmotorfinger and Superunknown crush Nevermind. And AIC's Facelift, Dirt and third album do the same as well. They were all over alternative radio and MTV in the 1990s.
I'm a fan of lengthy stays and/or acts that were at the very top of the world for a period of time. 3 great albums, break-up, 2 blah albums since getting back together. Really not a HOF "resume" IMHO. Again, LOVE those first 3 albums, really do, don't get me wrong!
Nirvana was at the very top for a short-period of time, hence, they're in.
There are 50's and 60's doo wop and one hit wonder acts that had even shorter careers in the HOF. Just wish the criteria were well understood.
LOL! No.
It's hard to argue the "influence" they had because so many bands feel obligated to kiss their ass but no, just no, that unintelligible moaning poopie they put out doesn't even sniff how truly excellent PJs Ten album was.
yes Ed turned into a prick but their live shows are great and Lightning Crashes is not representative of their work..its like saying Born In the Usa is the what Bruce fans love about him
The VOLUME channel on Sirius XM was talking about this reunion and how highly anticipated the reunion is. They also wondered if Ed could hang in and not get the other band members pissed off at him again.
yes the Ten album blew anything Nirvana put out...and the 2nd Nirvana cd I really didnt like at a
well thats your and other music snobs opinion...yes they were influential but they were only part of the genre not the whole thing...there was so much more going on..Pearl Jam for one yet everyone goes back to Nirvana its overkill...and he was a terrible singer like nails on chalkboards
well Im sure they did it for the money, they all do. Ive seen them like 8 times...all different places, Asbury, House of Blues, Starland, Roseland. The fanbase is loyal they will come out in droves. Ed really went into some pussy music. I didnt even buy their last crap cd in 2006 or whenever it came out. The Distance to Here from 99 is one of top 10 favorite cds of all time
Ladies and Gentlemen, the late, great, and irrepressible Sharon Jones, and the Dap Kings wish you a Merry Christmas.
Nirvana >>>>>> PJ
PJ always seemed like Nirvana-light and just a poor imitation (like most other grunge bands).
Who? Is that someone you listened to when you where growing up in the late 19th century?
Sharon Jones was a great live performer R and B singer. That would be an actual musical genre.
Your argument over the relative greatness of male teen angst group Nirvana and male teen angst group Pearl Jam lets us all know that musically you never got past fantasizing about "standing up to the man" when you were 14. Everyone goes through that stage, but most folks come out of it.
If you listened to the Christmas carol, you may have thought the Dap Kings, who were Jones' band, sounded familiar. Amy Winehouse hired them to play for her on the Back to Black album.
I've copied a url on Jones singing with the amazing Tedeschi Trucks band. So if you ever get your radio off of top 40, you might enjoy it:
Slightly, actually. I'd put them in the top 20-25 most influential bands ever and I'd absolutely put Nevermind in the top 5-10 most influential albums ever - go look up any list of most influential albums and you'll often find Nevermind in the top 10. I believe Nirvana could've easily become one of the most influential bands ever, if Kurt hadn't blown his brains out.
See...and I thought it was just plain old angst.
And Mike McCready can really play....for a male teen.
Plenty of bands have had 1 or 2 good albums, hence, my fascination over the out-of-control "love" for Kobain.
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