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OT: Snow Thread For Feb 6th & 7th Super Bowl Sunday

Supposed to be going to East Hanover tomorrow for a SB party

How will the main roads be around 4:00?
Snow should be winding down by then, so I would think they'd be ok if they keep up with the snow. Secondary and local roads will likely be somewhat snow-covered, depending on traffic levels. Temps should also only top out around 30F there, so melting will be minimal. So, likely not a huge problem, but let's see how if plays out.
 
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HRRR tanked too, although it's still beyond its useful range. They could be on to something...or not. NAM certainly looked great at the mid/upper levels, but it didn't translate to snow at the surface. If going by these models, we'd be talking 2-4" for most, not 3-6". Let's see how the rest of the models look.
Well, pretty much every 0Z model decreased precip and snowfall across the board by an inch or so and there's now pretty good consensus on a 2-4" event for most near/along 95 from Philly to NYC including down to the coast in most models. The only exception was the NAM, which is down to a 3-6" event for most. Some of the pros on the boards are saying they think the storm is looking healthier now than expected, so there's some wondering if the models are not quite picking up on something, but it's hard to go against a model consensus like this.

Maybe the storm will overperform, but I would be surprised if the NWS didn't back off and drop from warnings to advisories (from 4-7" to maybe 2-4"/3-5") and decrease the amounts in the current advisories (maybe from 3-5" to 1-3"/2-4") unless they see something most don't. We'll see around 4 am what they think and regardless of what they think, we'll sit back and see what happens. This is why weather forecasting is so fascinating (and at times annoying, lol). Certainly not feeling confident right now about my 6" prediction for my house or the NWS prediction for 5" at @WhiteBus's place in Philly.
 
Area codes were in use before you were born. Required 10 digit dialing (even within the same area code) is a relatively recent development.

That makes sense. But it seems as though some people growing up in New Jersey didn't have area codes until, perhaps, the 1960s. I never knew that.
 
Well, pretty much every 0Z model decreased precip and snowfall across the board by an inch or so and there's now pretty good consensus on a 2-4" event for most near/along 95 from Philly to NYC including down to the coast in most models. The only exception was the NAM, which is down to a 3-6" event for most. Some of the pros on the boards are saying they think the storm is looking healthier now than expected, so there's some wondering if the models are not quite picking up on something, but it's hard to go against a model consensus like this.

Maybe the storm will overperform, but I would be surprised if the NWS didn't back off and drop from warnings to advisories (from 4-7" to maybe 2-4"/3-5") and decrease the amounts in the current advisories (maybe from 3-5" to 1-3"/2-4") unless they see something most don't. We'll see around 4 am what they think and regardless of what they think, we'll sit back and see what happens. This is why weather forecasting is so fascinating (and at times annoying, lol). Certainly not feeling confident right now about my 6" prediction for my house or the NWS prediction for 5" at @WhiteBus's place in Philly.

Mt. Holly and Upton still have all their warnings, but they trimmed snowfall back to the bare minimum that could ever justify warnings, i.e., 3-6" for the NJ counties along the 95 corridor in NJ/EPA from Wilmington up through SE Bucks/Montco and Mercer/Middlesex/Somerset (for Mt. Holly, where 4" is the criterion for a warning for counties S of 276/195, i.e., Philly-Burlington-Ocean and south) and the warnings are for ~6" of snow for NENJ (Union up to Bergen)/NYC metro/Nassau and 5-8" for Suffolk/E CT.

Would love to know if they saw the 6Z NAM before issuing, as the 6Z NAM is back to where the 18Z was ,showing the 6" line running right up the Delaware from Philly to Trenton and then to NYC and 4-6" for 20-25 miles NW of there and 6-7" SE of there. But the RGEM showed a general 1-3"/2-4" event still at 6Z and the GFS is still 2-4" for most, so who knows. NWS-Philly's discussion is below. Ok, back to sleep, lol.

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National Weather Service Mount Holly NJ
305 AM EST Sun Feb 7 2021

NEAR TERM /THROUGH TODAY/...
Summary: A quick hitting winter storm will impact the area today,
with most of the precipitation confined to the daylight hours.

Meteorological Overview: Latest sfc. analysis depicts an area of
weak (but deepening) low pressure off the South Carolina coast,
while on water vapor a mid-lvl shortwave trough was evident upstream
of this feature over southern Tennessee. This low is progged to
quickly move NNEwrd during the day today, with the low intensifying
significantly as it moves underneath the right-entrance region of a
strengthening UL jet. To highlight both the rapid intensification
and quick forward speed of the low, by this time tomorrow it is
progged to have a central pressure around 975 mb, and be located in
the Canadian Maritimes. Precipitation will overspread the area from
SW-NE this morning, as ascent increases in association with the
incoming shortwave, the UL jet, and finally (and most importantly) a
region of 600-700mb FGEN associated with the axis of the 700mb wave.

Current observations: A deck of thick cirrus blankets our area, with
light winds and temperatures ranging from around 20 in the Poconos
to the low 40s in Delmarva. Of importance to ptypes, sfc. wet-
bulb temps range from the low teens in the Poconos to the mid
30s in Delmarva, with most of the area seeing Tws in the mid 20s
to low 30s. As of 2 AM, Rain has (based on ASOS obs and mPING
reports) nearly reached the MD/VA border, with snow being
observed in western Virginia and North Carolina. Some radar
returns (aloft) are approaching southern Delmarva, but these
will likely just be virga initially due to the dry low-lvls

Forecast:

Timing... In general the system`s timing looks very similar to what
was advertised in previous forecasts, with precipitation entering
our area early this morning and moving out of the area between 5-
7PM. The heaviest precipitation looks to impact the area from mid-
morning to early afternoon.

Precipitation Types... Very similar to thinking to previous
packages, i.e. almost all snow NW of I-95, mostly snow but some rain
mixed in during times of lighter precip rates near I-95, and then a
messier rain/snow mix likely towards the coast.

Precipitation & Snow Amounts... Forecast QPF amounts were heavily
based towards the 00Z HREF Probability-matched mean and WPC
guidance, resulting in a forecast of 0.2-0.5 inches of water from I-
95 northwestward and 0.5-0.9 inches of water from I-95 to the coast
with the QPF gradient oriented SE. These amounts are about 25% lower
than the previous forecast, and physically this reduction primarily
stems from the consensus low position being a bit further east/less
amplified, which keeps most of the "prime" FGEN forcing confined
near the coast, with weaker (more synoptic-driven) lift NW of I-95,
along with perhaps some compensating subsidence on the cool side of
the boundary. All that being said, our fcst QPF is still about 50%
higher than most of the coarser guidance (which generally have about
0.1-0.5 inches of total liquid) as suspect these are underplaying
the heavier rates present in the FGEN band.

All the above discussion leads us to the most important forecast
element of the day... snow amounts. The reduction of QPF naturally
did contribute to a reduction of snow amounts across the board.
Generally have 3-6 inches along and near I-95, with the axis of
higher amounts tilting SEwrd a bit to account for the FGEN band`s
positioning towards the Coast. Amounts are largely 2-3 inches I-78
and northward, and a sharp gradient remains present near the coast,
due to the ptype concerns there. These snowfall amounts are still a
bit above consensus... probably a nearer to the 75th percentile
outcome than the 50th. The general reasoning for leaning on the high
side is that the potential for locally heavy snowfall does exist,
particularly near or just SE of I-95 where the mesoscale lift
associated with the FGEN band will be favorably placed within the
DGZ. Heavy rates associated in this zone would result in better
ratios and accumulations despite the marginal temperature profiles.
All that being said, would not be shocked to see this being a mostly
2-4 inch event near I-95, with some total "shutout" potential in
Delmarva and along the NJ Coastal Plain if rates never get high
enough to compensate for the poor thermal setup. Up north, QPF looks
to be the main limiting factor, but typically in these events
(provided there is not a dry arctic airmass in place), the
precipitation shield extends a bit further northward than progged.
Therefore am not totally gutting amounts up there despite some
models having only about 0.1 inch of QPF.

Despite lowering amounts, have no plans to significantly modify
headlines as the heavier rates may make up for (from an impact
perspective) total snow amounts potentially being under official
warning criteria.
 
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Just got up, looked out the window and.... nothing. So a tough start to this storm. Was projected to start here by 4am. NBC10 saying it has started west but nothing hitting the ground as the air is very dry. Radar shows all rain so far in Delaware.
 
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Mt. Holly and Upton still have all their warnings, but they trimmed snowfall back to the bare minimum that could ever justify warnings, i.e., 3-6" for the NJ counties along the 95 corridor in NJ/EPA from Wilmington up through SE Bucks/Montco and Mercer/Middlesex/Somerset (for Mt. Holly, where 4" is the criterion for a warning for counties S of 276/195, i.e., Philly-Burlington-Ocean and south) and the warnings are for ~6" of snow for NENJ (Union up to Bergen)/NYC metro/Nassau and 5-8" for Suffolk/E CT.

Would love to know if they saw the 6Z NAM before issuing, as the 6Z NAM is back to where the 18Z was ,showing the 6" line running right up the Delaware from Philly to Trenton and then to NYC and 4-6" for 20-25 miles NW of there and 6-7" SE of there. But the RGEM showed a general 1-3"/2-4" event still at 6Z and the GFS is still 2-4" for most, so who knows. NWS-Philly's discussion is below. Ok, back to sleep, lol.

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National Weather Service Mount Holly NJ
305 AM EST Sun Feb 7 2021

NEAR TERM /THROUGH TODAY/...
Summary: A quick hitting winter storm will impact the area today,
with most of the precipitation confined to the daylight hours.

Meteorological Overview: Latest sfc. analysis depicts an area of
weak (but deepening) low pressure off the South Carolina coast,
while on water vapor a mid-lvl shortwave trough was evident upstream
of this feature over southern Tennessee. This low is progged to
quickly move NNEwrd during the day today, with the low intensifying
significantly as it moves underneath the right-entrance region of a
strengthening UL jet. To highlight both the rapid intensification
and quick forward speed of the low, by this time tomorrow it is
progged to have a central pressure around 975 mb, and be located in
the Canadian Maritimes. Precipitation will overspread the area from
SW-NE this morning, as ascent increases in association with the
incoming shortwave, the UL jet, and finally (and most importantly) a
region of 600-700mb FGEN associated with the axis of the 700mb wave.

Current observations: A deck of thick cirrus blankets our area, with
light winds and temperatures ranging from around 20 in the Poconos
to the low 40s in Delmarva. Of importance to ptypes, sfc. wet-
bulb temps range from the low teens in the Poconos to the mid
30s in Delmarva, with most of the area seeing Tws in the mid 20s
to low 30s. As of 2 AM, Rain has (based on ASOS obs and mPING
reports) nearly reached the MD/VA border, with snow being
observed in western Virginia and North Carolina. Some radar
returns (aloft) are approaching southern Delmarva, but these
will likely just be virga initially due to the dry low-lvls

Forecast:

Timing... In general the system`s timing looks very similar to what
was advertised in previous forecasts, with precipitation entering
our area early this morning and moving out of the area between 5-
7PM. The heaviest precipitation looks to impact the area from mid-
morning to early afternoon.

Precipitation Types... Very similar to thinking to previous
packages, i.e. almost all snow NW of I-95, mostly snow but some rain
mixed in during times of lighter precip rates near I-95, and then a
messier rain/snow mix likely towards the coast.

Precipitation & Snow Amounts... Forecast QPF amounts were heavily
based towards the 00Z HREF Probability-matched mean and WPC
guidance, resulting in a forecast of 0.2-0.5 inches of water from I-
95 northwestward and 0.5-0.9 inches of water from I-95 to the coast
with the QPF gradient oriented SE. These amounts are about 25% lower
than the previous forecast, and physically this reduction primarily
stems from the consensus low position being a bit further east/less
amplified, which keeps most of the "prime" FGEN forcing confined
near the coast, with weaker (more synoptic-driven) lift NW of I-95,
along with perhaps some compensating subsidence on the cool side of
the boundary. All that being said, our fcst QPF is still about 50%
higher than most of the coarser guidance (which generally have about
0.1-0.5 inches of total liquid) as suspect these are underplaying
the heavier rates present in the FGEN band.

All the above discussion leads us to the most important forecast
element of the day... snow amounts. The reduction of QPF naturally
did contribute to a reduction of snow amounts across the board.
Generally have 3-6 inches along and near I-95, with the axis of
higher amounts tilting SEwrd a bit to account for the FGEN band`s
positioning towards the Coast. Amounts are largely 2-3 inches I-78
and northward, and a sharp gradient remains present near the coast,
due to the ptype concerns there. These snowfall amounts are still a
bit above consensus... probably a nearer to the 75th percentile
outcome than the 50th. The general reasoning for leaning on the high
side is that the potential for locally heavy snowfall does exist,
particularly near or just SE of I-95 where the mesoscale lift
associated with the FGEN band will be favorably placed within the
DGZ. Heavy rates associated in this zone would result in better
ratios and accumulations despite the marginal temperature profiles.
All that being said, would not be shocked to see this being a mostly
2-4 inch event near I-95, with some total "shutout" potential in
Delmarva and along the NJ Coastal Plain if rates never get high
enough to compensate for the poor thermal setup. Up north, QPF looks
to be the main limiting factor, but typically in these events
(provided there is not a dry arctic airmass in place), the
precipitation shield extends a bit further northward than progged.
Therefore am not totally gutting amounts up there despite some
models having only about 0.1 inch of QPF.

Despite lowering amounts, have no plans to significantly modify
headlines as the heavier rates may make up for (from an impact
perspective) total snow amounts potentially being under official
warning criteria.

#s thanks for including Union County and North Jersey in your write-ups, appreciated.
 
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Nothing yet and based on the local reports Cape May and Atlantic County won't get any snow, just rain. It is a lot warmer then predicted.
Philly will start with rain too which was not part of the forecast.
Edit: It just started raining here.
 
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7:15 in Bound Brook, and nothing is happening yet.
Hey how’s Rosina’s these days? I used to love his fried Calamari. He had the lightest crispiest breading I’ve ever had and the Calamari was soft not rubber bands. He also did a pretty good veal.
 
Hey how’s Rosina’s these days? I used to love his fried Calamari. He had the lightest crispiest breading I’ve ever had and the Calamari was soft not rubber bands. He also did a pretty good veal.
I haven't been there in a while, but they're still open as far as I know, surviving the pandemic.
 
Things are about to go bonkers in 78/202 corridors. Interior SoJo should mix snow in soon.
 
8:15 Big flakes starting in Whitehorse section of Hamilton, which is about 1/2 mile north of I-195
 
7:30 very light rain in Jackson
Come on rain. Obviously same here in Howell and I'm praying for it. Four wheel drive went in the front loader last storm and had to use @RUJohnny 's method of running over it a million times. Getting mobile diesel mechanics is a pain in the ass, I have one coming next week just hoping I can skate till then.
 
Come on rain. Obviously same here in Howell and I'm praying for it. Four wheel drive went in the front loader last storm and had to use @RUJohnny 's method of running over it a million times. Getting mobile diesel mechanics is a pain in the ass, I have one coming next week just hoping I can skate till then.
The person who raised the liability concern has me reconsidering my methods, but I tell ya two vehicles driving in and out a few times a day, I was to blacktop in our tracks by Thursday.
 
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Was snow mixed with rain earlier in Hamilton now big snowflakes falling. Looks nice, not sure how much will accumulate though. It is melting as soon as it hits the surface. It's early yet so we will see
 
Pretty heavy snow in Bridgewater. Radar shows heavy snow band from about Trenton through Somerset County
 
Snowing moderate / heavy here in Flanders. Everything has a nice fresh coating on it now . It's been snowing like this for about 20 minutes .
 
Picked up here in Linden, moderate snow now, vehicles started to be covered with a coating.
 
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