You do remember that Geo was clutch
Late.
Name the games over the past two seasons where letting Geo ISO decided the game?
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You do remember that Geo was clutch
Late.
Geo went O-3 with a turnover and a foul in the last 2 and half minutes. Young was playing an amazing game. We needed a win against Nebraska and Geo went 0-6 from 3 point range. I think it's time to stop drinking the Geo is "clutch" kool-aid.
Dumb? Really? How many clutch game tying, winning or momentum shifting shots has Geo made in his career?
there is about 5 games last year that say otherwise
there are always better options when you miss.
that is not talking basketball that is playing Monday morning quarterback.
Thats pitinos problem and his question to answer. Has zero to do with Rutgers.carr was playing horrible all game why did pitino keep playing him?
What's the definition of clutch? Making a few remarkable end game performances or consistently showing up in big games we need to win?I love the way Young is playing but hard to argue anybody is more clutch than Geo
4 years, 100+ games. You tell us. How many. Love to see the facts.Dumb? Really? How many clutch game tying, winning or momentum shifting shots has Geo made in his career?
More than thatSteve Pikiell is the best coach we've had in 30 years.
If it wasn’t for Weiscamps (sp?) miracle shot he would have had game winner against Iowa.In game it was really hard to make a move away from Young. I think it was worse to continue to not give Geo help with a ball screen. As was said, he doesn’t beat guys off the dribble to cause penetration, and had not been successful pure iso all game.
With screen action he was a bit better. I don’t blame Geo the player at all for that. It’s just not his game. I think Pike overrates Geos iso ability - in fact I think he’s said out loud as much - which explains the over use. He’s got a great step back. But its really just one tool and not a great idea to live by that when there are no other threats to the defense at the time before making your move.
Not that many actually
What five games?
Was talking to a friend about this. From our memory Geo has one career game winning shot which was Nebraska last season.
Northwestern last year he hit a 3 to force ot and his clutch shot in ot we were up 2 at the time, still clutch but not a game winner. (Nebby and Northwestern were a combined 5-35 in conference. IIRC Geo went OFF against Northwstern and against Nebby he barely played and had a bad game otherwise.)
Purdue last year same thing, clutch but not a game winner. Technically Ron hit the game winner at Purdue last year
This year failed vs iowa (fouled no call, BS ref) and 2 years ago missed 3 that would have beat Penn state at the RAC.
TO BE CLEAR, we are just setting the record straight here, not insulting Geo. Game winning shot opportunities aren’t very common.
Only other one to come to mind 2 years ago geo hit jumper to put us up 3 vs tOSU with 12 seconds left (Mathis hit the go ahead shot with a minute left).
The thing is, a lot of players were otherwise clutch in those close games.
Are there others I missed? Not sure
Ed, you're wasting your time. He is so hyped up as the face on the program nobody wants to deal with the facts.Let's actually talk basketball. The Geo ISO attempts at the end of the game were a low percentage outcoome from the start. You have given uo on every other player on your team and gambled your season on Geo going one on one for a score.
1) Geo is not good at taking guys off the dribble. It's not even something he tries that often. When he does on occassion do it is when he catches the D sleeping and not expecting it. One on one beating someone off the dribble is not part of his everyday game. But here you place the entire season on him being able to do it?
2) Geo also will never look to pass in that situation. The game was won by Young beating his guys off the dribble and either finishing or finding the open teammate. Everyone on the planet new Geo was never passing on those plays. The plays were going to end with Geo Hail Mary's period.
3) So the strategy was to give up on the rest of the team and win the game on a low percentage, on one, shot from Geo. This is your best case scenario when running that play. Overtime showed there were better options.
4) Here's a thought. If you still wanted Geo to take the last shot. Put the ball in someone else's hands and run a couple of screens for him. Or let Young dribble penetrate and kick it out to him.
Geo versus the world was just bad coaching.
Nope. Bannon was better. He was just a dope.Steve Pikiell is the best coach we've had in 30 years.
So Wieskamp is more clutch. (Haha..kidding)If it wasn’t for Weiscamps (sp?) miracle shot he would have had game winner against Iowa.
In game it was really hard to make a move away from Young. I think it was worse to continue to not give Geo help with a ball screen. As was said, he doesn’t beat guys off the dribble to cause penetration, and had not been successful pure iso all game.
With screen action he was a bit better. I don’t blame Geo the player at all for that. It’s just not his game. I think Pike overrates Geos iso ability - in fact I think he’s said out loud as much - which explains the over use. He’s got a great step back. But its really just one tool and not a great idea to live by that when there are no other threats to the defense at the time before making your move.
Not that many actually
What five games?
Was talking to a friend about this. From our memory Geo has one career game winning shot which was Nebraska last season.
Northwestern last year he hit a 3 to force ot and his clutch shot in ot we were up 2 at the time, still clutch but not a game winner. (Nebby and Northwestern were a combined 5-35 in conference. IIRC Geo went OFF against Northwstern and against Nebby he barely played and had a bad game otherwise.)
Purdue last year same thing, clutch but not a game winner. Technically Ron hit the game winner at Purdue last year
This year failed vs iowa (fouled no call, BS ref) and 2 years ago missed 3 that would have beat Penn state at the RAC.
TO BE CLEAR, we are just setting the record straight here, not insulting Geo. Game winning shot opportunities aren’t very common.
Only other one to come to mind 2 years ago geo hit jumper to put us up 3 vs tOSU with 12 seconds left (Mathis hit the go ahead shot with a minute left).
The thing is, a lot of players were otherwise clutch in those close games.
Are there others I missed? Not sure
Nope. Bannon was better. He was just a dope.
I seriously doubt he has regrets.The Dr. is an enormous, emotional great Rutgers fan.
This is important, who said a really dumb thing I’m sure he very much regrets.
Forgive him.
Sorry, Simplistic measure imo. If that's the grading system. Ok. Pike is certainly the most accomplished and has statistically worked wonders in a brutal league.bannon didn’t get us in.
And if not for Dread’s three pointer last year @Penn State, he would have had another one. Regardless, Idk why we’re suddenly acting like only game winners count as clutch shots here.If it wasn’t for Weiscamps (sp?) miracle shot he would have had game winner against Iowa.
Sorry, Simplistic measure imo. If that's the grading system. Ok. Pike is certainly the most accomplished and has statistically worked wonders in a brutal league.
Take the 76 team for example. Look at the easySorry, Simplistic measure imo. If that's the grading system. Ok. Pike is certainly the most accomplished and has statistically worked wonders in a brutal league.
In game it was really hard to make a move away from Young. I think it was worse to continue to not give Geo help with a ball screen. As was said, he doesn’t beat guys off the dribble to cause penetration, and had not been successful pure iso all game.
With screen action he was a bit better. I don’t blame Geo the player at all for that. It’s just not his game. I think Pike overrates Geos iso ability - in fact I think he’s said out loud as much - which explains the over use. He’s got a great step back. But its really just one tool and not a great idea to live by that when there are no other threats to the defense at the time before making your move.
Not that many actually
What five games?
Was talking to a friend about this. From our memory Geo has one career game winning shot which was Nebraska last season.
Northwestern last year he hit a 3 to force ot and his clutch shot in ot we were up 2 at the time, still clutch but not a game winner. (Nebby and Northwestern were a combined 5-35 in conference. IIRC Geo went OFF against Northwstern and against Nebby he barely played and had a bad game otherwise.)
Purdue last year same thing, clutch but not a game winner. Technically Ron hit the game winner at Purdue last year
This year failed vs iowa (fouled no call, BS ref) and 2 years ago missed 3 that would have beat Penn state at the RAC.
TO BE CLEAR, we are just setting the record straight here, not insulting Geo. Game winning shot opportunities aren’t very common.
Only other one to come to mind 2 years ago geo hit jumper to put us up 3 vs tOSU with 12 seconds left (Mathis hit the go ahead shot with a minute left).
The thing is, a lot of players were otherwise clutch in those close games.
Are there others I missed? Not sure
I like your thinking here. But I had already forgiven him - almost immediately after reading his post. My thinking at the time was, what if I get run over by a busload of nuns before I had a chance to forgive him?He needs to repent first, take the abuse, then forgiveness might find its way to him after a Special Committee, headed by @MrsScrew, convenes and takes a vote. I don't like his odds, but you never know.
Name the games over the past two seasons where letting Geo ISO decided the game?
We will have to agree to disagree. However I had to give your post a like because of "fukkityfukkfukksters" which you know will make an appearance or two at our tailgates this Fall.To me it's ok, as the game thread is sheer reaction with tons of "he sucks" and "we suck" and "I hate this friggin" team" and "wtf are you fukkityfukkfukksters doing?" and more, because that's what we say during a game in person (most of us). But to start a new thread like that is just bad form.
Nebraska last year, possibly Purdue last year?
IIRC Ron hit the game winner against Purdue
I can respect that, as long as you get hit by the bus after our Sweet 16 victory over Gonzaga, thus guaranteeing a happy ending* into the pearly gates.I like your thinking here. But I had already forgiven him - almost immediately after reading his post. My thinking at the time was, what if I get run over by a busload of nuns before I had a chance to forgive him?
I don't want to take that kind of karma with me to the pearly gates, or, you know, wherever I'm headed.
Both are clutch. Geo singlehandedly won the Indiana game this year, won Northwestern last year, won Big East tournament game and multiple other big shots. Unfortunately, my memory is not as good as it used to beWhat's the definition of clutch? Making a few remarkable end game performances or consistently showing up in big games we need to win?
Juxtaposing a "happy ending" with a post-Gonzaga-win death by busload of nuns was an example of your untouchably* excellent writing.I can respect that, as long as you get hit by the bus after our Sweet 16 victory over Gonzaga, thus guaranteeing a happy ending* into the pearly gates.
*Ya know, the other kind.
The second game? Yeah maybe.
I mean Geo has hit a number of clutch shots that I remember off the top of my head even if they weren't technically game winners:
a few against Purdue last year on the road
Nebraska
Northwestern, like a ton of them
The year before
Iowa (before their guy threw in that prayer at the end to negate it)
one at the end of the Minnesota game at home
Didn’t he hit one against OSU at the RAC a couple of years ago?
That's how I view it, too.Pike did a great job adjusting the rotations today. How could you not put the ball in Geo’s hands at crunch time at the end of regulation when he’s delivered so many times? Credit Pike with going with the hot hand and letting JY run the point in OT.
When you had your root canal they apparently removed part or all of your brain.This guy is so out of his league he just has no feel for the game we run no plays he just sucks how do you give the ball to Geo when he misses 3 straight and not JY!!!
Both Archie and Ricky will probably available replacements at the end of the seasonThis title is awful. We all have our criticisms of coaches and nobody is perfect but THIS is not the day. Like it or not, Pike took us from crap to two consecutive NCAA appearances. For critics, including me how do you explain that? For me, I'm celebrating with bubbly and thanking Steve for what he has done for Rutgers basketball.
Agreed. It's never a bad call because Geo's one of the most composed players on our team in crunch time. I can't fault Pike for that.Some here are asking for absolute game winners, which is an unfair question
As we have seen, Geo hit what should have been game winners (iowa, Penn state)
but the other team had a last second answer
The real question is who do you trust to make an important basket late, when it matters and the answer, for me, is Geo