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Many do, but at least some not insignificant percentage does live there for work related reasons. Losing that segment could have a pretty large effect on Manhattan. In my view, there's going to be some change, it's just a matter of how big of one and how long it lasts. These things tend to be cyclical, and it could just be the other part of the cycle. For example, in the 80s and early 90s, NJ office parks were all the rage.
Add into the equation businesses moving out of Manhattan (and other major cities). This is what will produce a profound effect.
 
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i find it funny that the GOP crowd is actively hoping for the exodus of people out of cities and into the burbs and rural areas because of COVID. don't they realize that these refugees will be populating their areas and voting in the local elections?
No ... your attempting to rationalize what is occurring ... BTW is this a political post ? No I ive in N.J. and....
 
Rolling 7 day totals down for two consecutive days in Florida. Total of 862 is down from 884 on Saturday.

Better news in AZ where rolling 7 day deaths peaked (it appears) at 581 on July 21st, and have since fallen to 521.

Texas and Cali have still been trending higher; we’ll see where there Monday tallies shake out this evening.
 
i find it funny that the GOP crowd is actively hoping for the exodus of people out of cities and into the burbs and rural areas because of COVID. don't they realize that these refugees will be populating their areas and voting in the local elections?

They will be complaining SO HARD when those rough-round-the-edges city folk come crashing their cul-de-sac wine-tasting parties.

Can't wait!
 
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i find it funny that the GOP crowd is actively hoping for the exodus of people out of cities and into the burbs and rural areas because of COVID. don't they realize that these refugees will be populating their areas and voting in the local elections?
How could they do that? Tent cities?
 
i find it funny that the GOP crowd is actively hoping for the exodus of people out of cities and into the burbs and rural areas because of COVID. don't they realize that these refugees will be populating their areas and voting in the local elections?
Where are you seeing this?
 
For anyone interested, Friston explains his modelling and what they have found in this video. His explanation takes about 35-40 minutes. Frankly, I find him brilliant and enjoy his presentation.

 
So they will leave
blue cities but stay in blue states? Big deal. Eventually, they might find their way to a red state and realize if they don't want to have to move again due to failed government they need to vote more conservatively.
AFFHR if reinstated is designed to consolidate local housing authority at the federal level and cost suburban taxpayers many billions maybe trillions...eventually may never come.

https://www.hud.gov/press/press_releases_media_advisories/HUD_No_20_109
 
With very little mask use..arent you a dummy

Oops, again:

"He says there’s evidence to suggest that the only effective face covering might be a visor, because the virus can spread through all mucous membranes, including via the eyes. He worries a cloth covering that only protects the nose and mouth provides a “false sense of security"

You gonna start wearing a visor, meathead?
 
Europe definitely locked down better than us, but something to consider when looking at their dramatically better summer vs our own: only 5% of homes in Europe were air conditioned as of 2019. Probably can expect more small businesses / restaurants are open air compared to the States.

maybe we need to reconsider our comfort this summer.
 
No i mean total..ouch

France has opened bars and restaurants (and gyms!) because of their current low positivity rate. They are about to let fans back in to sporting events. Their economy is showing (small) signs of recovery. France, like NJ, got hammered early. No argument from me. And then the French appeared to learn what to do so as to not get creamed by the virus continuously. But I guess we sure are showing them. I call them Freedom Fries!!
 
Europe definitely locked down better than us, but something to consider when looking at their dramatically better summer vs our own: only 5% of homes in Europe were air conditioned as of 2019. Probably can expect more small businesses / restaurants are open air compared to the States.

maybe we need to reconsider our comfort this summer.
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Also, something I've been harping on about comp'ing US to EU was discussed on Bloomberg today by the Citibank Global Chief Economist Catherine Mann. In sum, she pointed out that the individual Euro country government structures allowed each to be much more surgical in attacking their outbreaks. Don't forget Cuomo threatened to sue if Trump quarantined NYC early on.
 
France has opened bars and restaurants (and gyms!) because of their current low positivity rate. They are about to let fans back in to sporting events. Their economy is showing (small) signs of recovery. France, like NJ, got hammered early. No argument from me. And then the French appeared to learn what to do so as to not get creamed by the virus continuously. But I guess we sure are showing them. I call them Freedom Fries!!
We're # 1.
 
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Oops, again:

"He says there’s evidence to suggest that the only effective face covering might be a visor, because the virus can spread through all mucous membranes, including via the eyes. He worries a cloth covering that only protects the nose and mouth provides a “false sense of security"

You gonna start wearing a visor, meathead?


Ive already brought up how bogus it is that everyone is gaga over a mask but ignores the eyes..you failed again
 
And nobody sent to the hospital ( that’s good).

No hospitalizations is good. But if they contracted it within the last week, that is not when the most damage is done. Typically, the second week is when the rise of severe symptoms begin. It will be interesting to see if someone continues to report on the positive cases (to see if there are more) and if everyone hopefully remains out of the hospital.

Cases up, hospitalizations down, deaths down in NJ. Either more young’s folks not having any issues or Covid is less severe now??

See above. I have not been paying too much attention to the trends, but there is roughly a one to two week lag when someone contracts Covid and the time (if need be) they are admitted to the hospital.

Isn't Florida at a different stage than France is?

Florida has had multiple stages. France got hit and went into lockdown. Then the northeast got hit. Florida had their chance to protect their citizens based on the tri-state area. They initially faired surprisingly well despite any super strict and lengthy restrictions. They went back too quickly and/or relaxed their restrictions too much. Now Florida is taking the hit.
 
Where did I say anything about confidence in Zelenko study? You made an incorrect statement that Zelenko never published anything which I corrected via the link provided. I offered no commentary on what I thought of his paper.

Frankly, I have seen you do this quite a bit and then later say that someone said things they never did. It seems to be your approach. I usually find that people who have trouble being truthful do this frequently but I do not believe that of you. You respond like you did above to me and then later make outlandish claims that I thought that his published study was excellent/believable, etc. When the person you do that to never said or supported what you claim.

Hard not to make that assumption based on your past posting history praising HCQ/Zinc and posting only positive HCQ news/studies (usually with no comment and often with excerpts without quotes or attribution, which is annoying), while looking for flaws in any negative HCQ news/studies. I've posted all kinds of studies about HCQ, including being one of the first to post about Raoult's original study, which looked so promising. Sure, I've been much more negative lately, since all of the randomized, controlled trials have been negative about HCQ, either in hospitals or as a prophylactic.

Anyway, back to Zelenko, I linked two of your posts, below, with excerpts on this. Looking at these, do you still think it was unreasonable to assume you might have supported the Zelenko study? Rather than attacking me, maybe tell us what you think of the Zelenko study. If you think it's as flawed as I do, I'll apologize for jumping to conclusions based on your past posting history. Tell us what you think.

"The study you reference was practically useless as it did not treat with HCQ combined with zinc. It is understood that HCQ is an ionophore and aids in the cellular uptake of zinc which interferes with virus replication. Any study done without the additional treatment with zinc is worth less than zero. Bad science leads to wrong conclusions. I will quote Dr Cardillo, who has had great succes with HCQ: He said he has found it only works if combined with zinc. The drug, he said, opens a channel for the zinc to enter the cell and block virus replication."
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...ventions-and-more.191275/page-55#post-4492049

"Thank you for sharing. Ironically, a week ago started taking Quercetin 250mg BID along with eating more zinc rich foods in my diet. Also, for those interested quercetin is a zinc ionophore, i.e., helps transport zinc across cell membranes."
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...ventions-and-more.191275/page-63#post-4498557

The other oddity is that you immediately believed the results of the Ford and Springer (NYC) studies showing HCQ had a benefit, despite them both being retrospective/observational and despite them not using zinc at all, which you're on record saying makes them "worth less than zero." This is also despite the fact that the Ford study has been roundly discredited due to serious flaws in design (age, race and steroid co-administration not being controlled at all) and includes the fact that you don't balance that with acknowledging there's now two true randomized, controlled trials (Recovery and the NEJM study published Friday) showing no benefit, as well as the other two large observational NYC studies (JAMA and NEJM) showing no benefit. Would like to hear your explanation of this.

https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...rventions-and-more.198855/page-9#post-4625012
 
Ive already brought up how bogus it is that everyone is gaga over a mask but ignores the eyes..you failed again

The eyes will hardly be a source of concern as long as people wear masks or face coverings. Masks block the expulsion of the virus from the nose and mouth and thus won't be circulating in the air and available for entry into the eye. Fauci whiffed BIG TIME on this concept in the 60 Minutes interview when he said a "mask might block a droplet". Sadly too many people listened to and believed him despite less known and less credentialed medical professionals (here and all over the US) imploring the use of a mask. Visors and goggles are not needed (unless in super tight spaces, crammed with people IMO, like a packed subway) if everyone is doing what they are supposed to do. In the subway type case, the virus can escape via the outer edges but most likely will fall down, possibly from a standing person to a sitting one.
 
So wear goggles with your facemask and shut up about it, asshat.

Denmark's experience isn't remotely comparable to the State's at all. But it does disprove your thoughtless, idiotic throwaway at about Sweden from earlier today (again).

Denmark and Swedens examples were both controversial and successful apparently
 
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Hard not to make that assumption based on your past posting history praising HCQ/Zinc and posting only positive HCQ news/studies (usually with no comment and often with excerpts without quotes or attribution, which is annoying), while looking for flaws in any negative HCQ news/studies. I've posted all kinds of studies about HCQ, including being one of the first to post about Raoult's original study, which looked so promising. Sure, I've been much more negative lately, since all of the randomized, controlled trials have been negative about HCQ, either in hospitals or as a prophylactic.

Anyway, back to Zelenko, I linked two of your posts, below, with excerpts on this. Looking at these, do you still think it was unreasonable to assume you might have supported the Zelenko study? Rather than attacking me, maybe tell us what you think of the Zelenko study. If you think it's as flawed as I do, I'll apologize for jumping to conclusions based on your past posting history. Tell us what you think.

"The study you reference was practically useless as it did not treat with HCQ combined with zinc. It is understood that HCQ is an ionophore and aids in the cellular uptake of zinc which interferes with virus replication. Any study done without the additional treatment with zinc is worth less than zero. Bad science leads to wrong conclusions. I will quote Dr Cardillo, who has had great succes with HCQ: He said he has found it only works if combined with zinc. The drug, he said, opens a channel for the zinc to enter the cell and block virus replication."
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...ventions-and-more.191275/page-55#post-4492049

"Thank you for sharing. Ironically, a week ago started taking Quercetin 250mg BID along with eating more zinc rich foods in my diet. Also, for those interested quercetin is a zinc ionophore, i.e., helps transport zinc across cell membranes."
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...ventions-and-more.191275/page-63#post-4498557

The other oddity is that you immediately believed the results of the Ford and Springer (NYC) studies showing HCQ had a benefit, despite them both being retrospective/observational and despite them not using zinc at all, which you're on record saying makes them "worth less than zero." This is also despite the fact that the Ford study has been roundly discredited due to serious flaws in design (age, race and steroid co-administration not being controlled at all) and includes the fact that you don't balance that with acknowledging there's now two true randomized, controlled trials (Recovery and the NEJM study published Friday) showing no benefit, as well as the other two large observational NYC studies (JAMA and NEJM) showing no benefit. Would like to hear your explanation of this.

https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...rventions-and-more.198855/page-9#post-4625012
I don't remember ever saying what I thought about the Ford study. Could be age related...but I usually just link something without much commentary.

However, there have been a few real bad hack jobs like the VA study and the Lancet retraction that were complete horseshit. Those I do take the time to critique because I have a very different reaction to intentionally misleading studies vs a weak/poorly designed study. Most studies have limitations but ones that are fraudulent, etc have no place being published.

BTW, I still stand by my statement that evaluating HCQ alone kind of ignores all of the ANECDOTAL, yes it is only anecdotal, evidence from Drs such as Cardillo, Zelenko, Fareed, Raoult and many more.

If you have a free hour or so watch the Friston video I posted this afternoon. Quite informative. I felt bad for him in the Q&A as I too could not understand half of the questions being asked due to poor english.
 
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Ive already brought up how bogus it is that everyone is gaga over a mask but ignores the eyes..you failed again

Most get it through the nose, but also you’re discounting masks’ role in spreading vs acquiring the virus. In other words, yes it protects me when I inhale, but also I’m protected if a mask-wearer near me is exhaling. This person isn’t going to shoot eye droplets into my eyes.
 
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