OT: ACC might want to settle instead of going to court
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Nah. That's not what this article shows:
it’s pretty doubtful they were negligent on reading the contract, as it’s been stated multiple times for multiple venues it’s not in the ACC best interest to go to court for multiple reasons, including that
In regard to breaking up of the big east, UM and Donna in particukar were the main proponents of it
Did you read the article?
Miami was already interested in leaving, Hart publicly vetted it out, so Miami wouldn’t fall the sword and look like a bunch of jackasses trying to leave and break up the conference.
Yeah, this would obviously be a last resort, but something good to have just in case the ACC decides they don’t want to play ball
Yes, I do realize that but I am enjoying watching them do to the ACC what they once did to us.
Did you guys read the article?
For the 94th time, Miami and specifically Donna were the ones behind the break up with the big east
Nice try. I read it but apparently you guys didn't or want to spin it to fit your narrative. Another school approached the ACC, even before Donna/Miami expressed interest, but FSU AD Dave Hart lead the push for Miami by having FSU BOT Andy Haggard have a secret meeting with Miami BOT Dean Colson to gauge interest. From the link:
With one of the nation's best college football teams, the University of Miami would attract fan interest and television dollars. So Florida State Athletic Director Dave Hart, one of expansion's key proponents, went to a member of his university's Board of Trustees, Andy Haggard, a Florida State alum who lives in Coral Gables. Hart wanted to know if Haggard sensed that Miami would be interested in joining the ACC.
Haggard approached his friend Dean Colson, a personal injury lawyer in Coral Gables and a vice chair of Miami's Board of Trustees. Most of Haggard's visits to Colson concerned fundraising for various interest groups, but on this occasion, Haggard got right to the point, apparently catching Colson by surprise.
"We wanted to feel them out," Haggard said. "I wanted to gauge where they were, where they would be."
Haggard told Colson the ACC had strong interest from a Big East member, though Haggard did not name names. According to those familiar with Miami's situation, that was a key detail because Miami did not want to be seen as the driving force behind what could lead to the breakup of the Big East. The role of follower was much more acceptable.
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By the end of 2002, expansion was gaining momentum. University chancellors and presidents discussed the issue in detail at their fall meeting, Smith's e-mail said, and soon Hart approached Haggard and trustees chairman John Thrasher to quietly see if Miami was interested. Thrasher, a former speaker of the Florida House of Representatives, worked as a lobbyist in Tallahassee and counted the University of Miami among his clients. "So I do know the president fairly well," Thrasher said.
“ Miami did not want to be seen as a driving force behind the Big East break up”
Again, reading comprehension is not your specialty.
In regard to expansion, and just like Florida State going to the Big Ten, if you don’t think that the higher-ups at these schools and comferences have talks with one another about coming and going, I don’t know what to tell you
Do a little bit of research about Donna Shalala and Miami, along with Nevin, Shapiro, and what their ultimate aspirations were, and you will be enlightened
Reading comprehension is not your specialty. FSU was the key architect during the 2002-03 expansion. Miami didn't want to be the only team to leave and Donna wasn't even onboard initially. From the link:
The question required some thought. Shalala had replaced Edward Foote as Miami president. And while there was an initial excitement among some parties, Shalala remained calm. It was less than a year since she had reiterated Miami's commitment to the Big East, and according to one person familiar with Shalala's viewpoint, she was initially cool to the idea.
I can unequivocally tell you that is not true, anyone that knows the situation knows that Donna was the drive force behind them leaving
As bad as she ended up being for their athletic department, she was a snake in the grass, and was the epitome of two face
She put all her marbles in the Nevin basket and got bit in the ass, And although she had grand visions was incompetent as they come
Fortunately, she set their athletic department back 20 years with her shortsightedness, and overall an aptitude
Yes, I just did and it says FSU had a big hand in it. I get you wanting to protect your school but, come on. It's right there in black and white and you're trying to gaslight us. By saying, that's not what really happened or what we just read.
Why on earth would FSUs attorneys and AD not board a quick flight to view all legal documents as a foundational part of their due diligence? That is insane.
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you can find Donna's quotes on this online. She initiated it and said she would upon being hired as chancelor at Miami. This is all well known
Given that the GOR was created by the ACC out of weakness (a charter member had just bolted for "greener" pastures), I never understood why remaining teams agreed to the GOR at all, let alone one that lasted until 2036. What would be the downside to not implementing it?
I realize that times were different, and the "Big 4" (as known in ACC circles) was dedicated to preserving the conference in perpetuity; but there were already a lot more than four teams in the conference.
Also, I know FSU is being a pain in the rear right now, but who wouldn't.? A lot programs/fan bases make noise when they feel they are persecuted by referees or conference presidents...
I realize that times were different, and the "Big 4" (as known in ACC circles) was dedicated to preserving the conference in perpetuity; but there were already a lot more than four teams in the conference.
Also, I know FSU is being a pain in the rear right now, but who wouldn't.? A lot programs/fan bases make noise when they feel they are persecuted by referees or conference presidents...
Always wary of tweets, postings and articles that emphasize “Powerful, influential, confidential source” persons.
GO RU
I’m telling you, Donna was the one behind it.
For all of her bluster and ineptitude, she initially had grand visions.
That’s the million dollar question
Thank God there’s finally people in charge who know what they’re doing
I don’t think most fans really care for how things are going down on the FSU side, but feel that there’s really no other option to go about it this way
Personally, I would love if this was resolved behind, closed doors, and not in the media with all of the bluster, but there’s a reason that they’re going about doing it like this
Miami was looking to leave the Big East at least as early as 1999. That was before Shalala. Their BOT was looking for bigger and better by end of the 1990s.
I did not know that for sure, but it figures, they were carrying that conference for years and could see the writing on the wall
I think the BOT started wanting out in 1999. They probably wanted SEC, but the SEC didn't see a need for them given Florida's prominence. The ACC was a good second option and Shalala just took advantage of that when ACC opportunity opened up.
I keep waiting for them to snap out of their abyss and get back to Elite Ness, but I do not mind saying that mediocre one bit
Donna explained that in the year they won the Football National Championship, they also had to cut the diving team. As a private university, Miami couldn’t turn to the taxpayer, or soak their students. They brought their concerns to Big East leadership, but were met with deaf ears. So they did what they had to do. Find a better situation where they could make more money.
The Big East was a basketball conference run by basketball people, so decisions were dominated by basketball schools. What should have happened is the football schools and basketball schools should have split. But no one on the football side wanted to do the work of establishing a new league. So they stayed with the status quo till they saw a better opportunity.
At the time, Rutgers and Temple were dreadful, and brought little value to the conference.
I still think that they are on the cusp of breaking out, but maybe it’s the PTSD from all of those wide rights that has me thinking that
I'm of the mind that the B1G is operating behind the scenes looking for ways to break the GOR and to expand eventually to 24 with 4 regional pods. FSU, Miami, UNC, Virginia come to mind as players. Of course, Notre Dame.
FWIW: In most litigation, everyone wants to settle. The only ones who don't want to settle are parties who believe they are absolutely guaranteed to win.
By all accounts, the ACC is dead to rights
Mayes sense for all parties to settle and move on
By whose accounts? FSU fans?
I gotta say, as someone who is not really digging into all of the FSU/ACC drama, the pro-FSU posters on here certainly come across as a bunch of wishcasters,
FSU dominated ACC football from 1992-2005 but they've won the conference title 4x in the last 18 seasons. I'd say the days of FSU "carrying" the league by and large ended a long time ago.
Championships since the start of the 2006 season:
Clemson 8
Florida State 4
Virginia Tech 3
Georgia Tech 1
Pittsburgh 1
Wake Forest 1
Tell me you didn’t read the lawsuit, without telling me you didn’t read the lawsuit
It’s pretty damming
Wishcasting in what way?
Ive said repeatedly that they will be out in one or two years, and stand by that.
Based on the lawsuit and other factors which have come the light, there’s no reason to think otherwise.
If you don’t think 17 league titles, 6 title game appearances (not even going to mention the playoff debacle this year, ) 3 nattys, 3 Heismans in 31 years isn’t carrying the conference, I don’t know what to tell you
They’ve won the league more than half the time they’ve been in there, that’s the textbook definition of dominance
Never mind the CWS title, multiple soccer titles, ratings through the roof, all Americans out the ass, top 10 brand, 2nd all time winningest coach, 14 straight top 5 finishes (actually top four, but in fairness, five of those happened while they were independent)
Starting in 2006 is akin to comparing Yankees and Red Sox World Series titles and beginning in 2004
Congratulations to Clemson, The finally stepped up and reached Pinnacle. They had all this potential all these years, and finally realized it, that’s a credit to Debbo, and the culture there, where everybody was all in.
