OT: Coming to a beach near you in NJ and NY

[mildone]

I guess we will all know soon enough because this is happening regardless of what anyone wants it seems.

Exactly.

My guess is that costs will go up some, but nowhere near doubling/tripling. I'm guessing net impacts will be relatively painless for people, although sure, prices will go up. And I'd also guess prices would've gone up anyway, perhaps more slowly without the great excuse to raise prices the new infrastructure provides.

We can revisit in 5 years and see what happened in the short term.

 

[Knight Shift]

Netflix just made a massive investment in NJ and they can be trusted more than internet clowns with multiple handles on this board to push their BS.

In fairness, filmmaking is mostly located in the greater NYC area and greater Los Angeles. There are certainly other locales that do filmmaking, but none as large as those two. That was a key consideration, and probably because of existing infrastructure was in place. When Ft. Monmouth closed, I had thought local real estate would take a major hit. But it did not. Kudos to whomever in Murphy's administration made and succeeded with the Netflix pitch. This will be huge for the shore area.

Wonder if Rutgers Athletics can leverage it into NIL deals for athletes? 🤔

 

[newell138]

Exactly.

My guess is that costs will go up some, but nowhere near doubling/tripling. I'm guessing net impacts will be relatively painless for people, although sure, prices will go up. And I'd also guess prices would've gone up anyway, perhaps more slowly without the great excuse to raise prices the new infrastructure provides.

We can revisit in 5 years and see what happened in the short term.

According to Al Gore, the boiling seas will overtake us anyway so I guess it doesn't matter.

 

[RU4Real]

Again, I’m skeptical of accuracy of the number in the following quote, but if it were true, it makes claims of doubling or tripling costs look ridiculous:

“As a result of the project, the average New Jersey resident will pay about $1.28 more per month on a residential electric bill, according to New Jersey Board of Public Utilities documents.”

For another project mentioned in the article, the number given is $2.21/month.

$1.28 a month?!?!?!

That does it. Kill everybody.

 

[mildone]

According to Al Gore, the boiling seas will overtake us anyway so I guess it doesn't matter.

There you go. That's the spirit. We're all gonna die horribly soon anyway, so why worry about a few pennies here and there. 😀

 

[fg7321]

For all the fake whale lovers.....

Feds: Offshore wind not to blame for East Coast whale deaths

Federal environmental and energy officials moved Wednesday to quell a growing controversy over whether work done by the offshore wind power industry is killing whales in the northeastern U.S., saying there is no evidence this is happening. In a hastily arranged briefing for reporters, the...

www.yahoo.com

 

[Knight Shift]

According to Al Gore, the boiling seas will overtake us anyway so I guess it doesn't matter.

Al's predictions and their timing have not been very good. While he was wooden, Al seemed like a decent enough fellow. But his pronouncements started to ring hollow when it was found the homes he had had an enormous carbon footprint. Kind of like telling commoners to stop consuming beef when these people are travelling around in private jets, punching bigger holes in the ozone layer. Al looks like he might want to lay off some meals too.

 

[newell138]

Al's predictions and their timing have not been very good. While he was wooden, Al seemed like a decent enough fellow. But his pronouncements started to ring hollow when it was found the homes he had had an enormous carbon footprint. Kind of like telling commoners to stop consuming beef when these people are travelling around in private jets, punching bigger holes in the ozone layer. Al looks like he might want to lay off some meals too.

he seems a little crazy, but its good work if you can get it. Jetting around the world, eating lavish meals, while you scold the poor for driving their cars and eating a hamburger

 

[Knight Shift]

he seems a little crazy, but its good work if you can get it. Jetting around the world, eating lavish meals, while you scold the poor for driving their cars and eating a hamburger

The do as I say not as I do always undercuts the message and the messenger, no matter what "side" is it coming from. Nobody wants to be told what to do by a hypocrite.

 

[Joey Bags]

The ironic (sorta) thing about the resistance to offshore wind platforms is that the processes required to stand up an offshore oil rig are much the same - except for the additional impact of exploratory drilling and mapping required for the oil rigs.

Also, there's no oil off the coast of NJ.

“OIL? Who said anything about oil? Bitch you cookin’?”

 

[mildone]

For all the fake whale lovers.....

Feds: Offshore wind not to blame for East Coast whale deaths

Federal environmental and energy officials moved Wednesday to quell a growing controversy over whether work done by the offshore wind power industry is killing whales in the northeastern U.S., saying there is no evidence this is happening. In a hastily arranged briefing for reporters, the...

www.yahoo.com

I prefer real whales myself. But sometimes, I have to make do with an inflatable.

 

[rutgersdave]

For all the fake whale lovers.....

Feds: Offshore wind not to blame for East Coast whale deaths

Federal environmental and energy officials moved Wednesday to quell a growing controversy over whether work done by the offshore wind power industry is killing whales in the northeastern U.S., saying there is no evidence this is happening. In a hastily arranged briefing for reporters, the...

www.yahoo.com

Lot of Fake news in this thread to get people rile up and upset over nothing. Hardly any electric rate increases and no whale death due to windmills.

 

[knightfan7]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/18/world/north-atlantic-right-whale-entangled-scn/index.html

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

For all the fake whale lovers.....

Feds: Offshore wind not to blame for East Coast whale deaths

Federal environmental and energy officials moved Wednesday to quell a growing controversy over whether work done by the offshore wind power industry is killing whales in the northeastern U.S., saying there is no evidence this is happening. In a hastily arranged briefing for reporters, the...

www.yahoo.com

You should be blocked

 

[RUBlackout7]

You should be blocked

Are you that easily offended by the truth?

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

Are you that easily offended by the truth?

It’s def not the truth but your buddy is always calling for blocking and censorship

I don’t recall you asking him if he’s easily offended. Why not?

 

[RUBlackout7]

It’s def not the truth but your buddy is always calling for blocking and censorship

I don’t recall you asking him if he’s easily offended. Why not?

Wait, so specialists that have performed autopsies on the whales and determined it’s due to fishing gear and boat contact is not the truth? 🤣🤣🤣

I suggest you stop spreading fake news and fud. Perhaps you should get a job.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

Wait, so specialists that have performed autopsies on the whales and determined it’s due to fishing gear and boat contact is not the truth? 🤣🤣🤣

I suggest you stop spreading fake news and fud. Perhaps you should get a job.

Be consistent bruh and get a job

 

[NotInRHouse]

Wait, so specialists that have performed autopsies on the whales and determined it’s due to fishing gear and boat contact is not the truth? 🤣🤣🤣

I suggest you stop spreading fake news and fud. Perhaps you should get a job.

You're now in his signature. He's trying to cancel you like M&Ms.

 

[mdk01]

Article in yesterday's WSJ on renewable energy like offshore wind.

"Renewable energy draws billions of dollars but installations don't get built"

"Despite millions of dollars in federal tax credits up for grabs and investors eager to fund clean energy projects the pace of development has ground to a crawl and many renewable plans face an uncertain path to completion.

Supply chain snags, long waits to connect to the grid and challenging regulatory and political environments across the country are continuing the slowdown, analysts and companies say."

Sone tend to think that if you click your heel together and say "There's no place for fossil fuels" it gets done. This lack realism, particularly with respect to natural gas means that disasters like Solyndra are more likely to occur.

 

[RUBlackout7]

You're now in his signature. He's trying to cancel you like M&Ms.

What a creep 🤣

 

[e5fdny]

Article in yesterday's WSJ on renewable energy like offshore wind.

"Renewable energy draws billions of dollars but installations don't get built."

"Despite millions of dollars in federal tax credits up for grabs and investors eager to fund clean energy projects the pace of development has ground to a crawl and many renewable plans face an uncertain path to completion.

Supply chain snags, long waits to connect to the grid and challenging regulatory and political environments across the country are continuing the slowdown, analysts and companies say."

Some tend to think that if you click your heel together and say "There's no place for fossil fuels" it gets done. This lack realism, particularly with respect to natural gas means that disasters like Solyndra are more likely to occur.

That's the part that annoys some.

I am fine with trying to use them all but let's not turn off a switch on one completely if the lightbulb really doesn't work in the other.

 

[mdk01]

That's the part that annoys some.

I am fine with trying to use them all but let's not turn off a switch on one completely if the lightbulb really doesn't work in the other.

It's not just that. Shut down existing nukes (new ones is a separate question) before the end of their useful lives. Breach the Snake River hydro dams because it impacts the Salmon runs. Well they've been operating for 60+ years and while they have an impact the runs still exist and will in 10-15 years when other sources come on line. It's like the cult of wind and solar. It's not just carbon-free, it has the be the RIGHT carbon free. And all that has to be done is appropriate a boat load of money and presto-chango all problems are solved and everything is butterflies and rainbows.

 

[fg7321]

It’s def not the truth but your buddy is always calling for blocking and censorship

I don’t recall you asking him if he’s easily offended. Why not?

LOL I'm for blocking jerks from viewing my posts here and you would be at the top of my list FTR though conservatives are the biggest blockers and censors out there starting with their new FAN boy in Florida.

 

[mdk01]

That's the part that annoys some.

I am fine with trying to use them all but let's not turn off a switch on one completely if the lightbulb really doesn't work in the other.

Daniel Yergin, a non-politician energy expert. has similar thoughts.

https://www.project-syndicate.org/c...our-major-challenges-by-daniel-yergin-2023-01

 

[RU4Real]

I'm more than willing to stipulate that there needn't be some kind of single event switchover to electric (largely because the premise is utterly ridiculous and anyone who believes that there's any serious advocacy for it is probably incompetent) if everyone else is willing to stipulate that there's no need to use up all the fossil fuel we have.

 

[e5fdny]

I'm more than willing to stipulate that there needn't be some kind of single event switchover to electric (largely because the premise is utterly ridiculous and anyone who believes that there's any serious advocacy for it is probably incompetent) if everyone else is willing to stipulate that there's no need to use up all the fossil fuel we have.

I’m cool with that.

Like the commercial from the ‘70s said:

“Don’t be fuelish”

 

[Knight177lb]

A big problem is no one wants a nuclear plant anywhere near them. You can see the same thing here with the wind turbines. Places like Texas have all this open land to put them far away from the population. We don't have that luxury here. The issue is NIMBY as much as anything.

You remember what happened when the gov't proposed 1 turbine at the training center in Sea Girt?

The U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission has certified the design for what will be the United States’ first small modular nuclear reactor. You can put it right next to the old Oyster Creek plant or in my back yard, I don't care. It's completely safe.

It will be a whole lot better than destroying the coast. After taking into account the amount of energy needed to produce 240 windmills which is how many you have to build to equal one power plant, the amount of carbon reduction is negligible.

Nuclear is the future, not wind and solar.

 

[RU4Real]

The U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission has certified the design for what will be the United States’ first small modular nuclear reactor. You can put it right next to the old Oyster Creek plant or in my back yard, I don't care. It's completely safe.

It will be a whole lot better than destroying the coast. After taking into account the amount of energy needed to produce 240 windmills which is how many you have to build to equal one power plant, the amount of carbon reduction is negligible.

Nuclear is the future, not wind and solar.

SMRs were very promising, once upon a time. It's since been realized that they don't scale - SMRs, per kW produced, are more expensive, require more resources, consume more fuel and produce more waste. The technology has been "in the wind", so to speak, for nearly 3 decades and simply hasn't taken off.

 

[mildone]

Imagine farts could power the world. Not quite as poetic as John Lennon's musings, but potentially more practical and achievable.

 

[e5fdny]

Imagine farts could power the world. Not quite as poetic as John Lennon's musings, but potentially more practical and achievable.

There are some who say the ones from cows will end it.🤷‍♂️

 

[mildone]

There are some who say the ones from cows will end it.🤷‍♂️

They should figure out how to leverage it.

And WTF aren't we all planting way more trees? Seems to me that planting tons more trees, of the right carbon-eating, oxygen-spewing sort, would be an awfully big help w/all this.

 

[mdk01]

They should figure out how to leverage it.

And WTF aren't we all planting way more trees? Seems to me that planting tons more trees, of the right carbon-eating, oxygen-spewing sort, would be an awfully big help w/all this.

It would help. But it's not part of the Church of Wind & Solar.

 

[RU4Real]

It would help. But it's not part of the Church of Wind & Solar.

To whatever extent there is a "Church of Wind and Solar" (there isn't), all aspects of "greening" would be part of it.

The problem is that trees, as we generally think of them, aren't very good carbon sinks. They are, in the long term, pretty static things.

To begin with, 80% of the planet's carbon is stored in rocks. Not much help there, as we don't really have geological time scales working in our favor.

The next largest carbon sink on the planet are the earth's oceans - which, as everyone is aware, we are in the process of destroying at a spectacular rate. Fish biomass is down by roughly 90% over the last 100 years. As anyone who is genuinely familiar with New Jersey knows, we have nearly eradicated the entire coastal wetlands ecosystem. Wetlands are, on their own, a vital carbon sink because of the rapid growth/decay cycle. Additionally, coastal wetlands are the prime incubator for literally thousands of marine species - all of which are now endangered to some extent.

If you want to really see, in microcosm, why we're so genuinely f*cked from a carbon cycle perspective you need simply take a ride down the Parkway to Ocean county. Stop anywhere alongside the road. Get out of the car and look to the east. Everything that isn't wetlands surrounding Barnegat Bay needs to go. Brick, Toms River, Berkeley Township, Forked River, Waretown, Ocean Township - all of it needs to be bulldozed, tilled and flooded.

If that sounds ridiculous, then you're part of the way toward understanding how ridiculous it was to create them in the first place.

 

[mdk01]

To whatever extent there is a "Church of Wind and Solar" (there isn't), all aspects of "greening" would be part of it.

The problem is that trees, as we generally think of them, aren't very good carbon sinks. They are, in the long term, pretty static things.

To begin with, 80% of the planet's carbon is stored in rocks. Not much help there, as we don't really have geological time scales working in our favor.

The next largest carbon sink on the planet are the earth's oceans - which, as everyone is aware, we are in the process of destroying at a spectacular rate. Fish biomass is down by roughly 90% over the last 100 years. As anyone who is genuinely familiar with New Jersey knows, we have nearly eradicated the entire coastal wetlands ecosystem. Wetlands are, on their own, a vital carbon sink because of the rapid growth/decay cycle. Additionally, coastal wetlands are the prime incubator for literally thousands of marine species - all of which are now endangered to some extent.

If you want to really see, in microcosm, why we're so genuinely f*cked from a carbon cycle perspective you need simply take a ride down the Parkway to Ocean county. Stop anywhere alongside the road. Get out of the car and look to the east. Everything that isn't wetlands surrounding Barnegat Bay needs to go. Brick, Toms River, Berkeley Township, Forked River, Waretown, Ocean Township - all of it needs to be bulldozed, tilled and flooded.

If that sounds ridiculous, then you're part of the way toward understanding how ridiculous it was to create them in the first place.

Congregants of the Church of Wind and Solar want to breach the Snake River hydro dams. Not just new facilites, they want to shut down currently operating nukes before the end of their useful lives. One extreme branch in Germany was actually willing to increase coal usage to do so.

 

[RU4Real]

Congregants of the Church of Wind and Solar want to breach the Snake River hydro dams. Not just new facilites, they want to shut down currently operating nukes before the end of their useful lives. One extreme branch in Germany was actually willing to increase coal usage to do so.

I'm pretty sure those people do not claim membership to something called "the Church of Wind and Solar".

One thing to know is that I don't tolerate hyperbole in debate. Facts. Only.

 

[mildone]

I'm pretty sure those people do not claim membership to something called "the Church of Wind and Solar".

One thing to know is that I don't tolerate hyperbole in debate. Facts. Only.

Is true you argue from a factual foundation. But I am the least hyperbolic debater in the history of the universe.

 

[RU4Real]

Is true you argue from a factual foundation. But I am the least hyperbolic debater in the history of the universe.

I generally see you as being more parabolic.

 

[mildone]

I generally see you as being more parabolic.

That's lots better than seeing me as a diabolic shambolic alcoholic.

 

[Knight177lb]

SMRs were very promising, once upon a time. It's since been realized that they don't scale - SMRs, per kW produced, are more expensive, require more resources, consume more fuel and produce more waste. The technology has been "in the wind", so to speak, for nearly 3 decades and simply hasn't taken off.

With a design being certified by the US NRC, isn't this promising? I would think this means they're getting close or is it just a pipe dream like fusion?