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OT: Major West Coast winter storm where some will see over 150 inches of snow

In Covid times with people having appointments for vaccines its pretty important for any snowfall to be as benign as possible.
its best that we dont have a storm that impacts life for 2 days.
All kidding aside, and because we rarely agree on anything outside of MBB, I want to state that I actually agree with you about that.

I might not agree, 'cause I love snow. Except it's starting to look more critical than ever to get as many people vaccinated as possible to knock out the virus before it has a chance to produce even more, and more dangerous, mutations. It's not just about preventing deaths from the virus, as it stands now.

The virus, as it stands now, is only dangerous to a limited extent and to a mostly limited subset of people. But if it's allowed to continue to infect people, even harmlessly and asymptomatically, at a high rate, then it will continue to have lots of opportunity to mutate. And the mutations could easily become far more deadly to far more people.
 
A little levity from a weather board oldtimer (and a really good poster) - this is really well done and very funny for anyone who has ever spent any time on weather boards. If not, my guess is you won't find it very funny. We're in Phase 4 now and the weenies are barely holding it together with that UK run, which was a whiff. But it is actually true that for almost every real snowstorm, there was a time in the 3-5 day range where multiple models "lost" the storm for one reason or another, but it came back within 1-2 model cycles.

My favorite was the Boxing Day Blizzard of 2010. Before leaving for Charlotte, NC on 12/23 for 4 days (family Christmas), several models were showing a potential major winter storm for 12/26-27. We got there in the evening of 12/23, though, most of the models showed a miss or not much snow and that lasted into Christmas Eve afternoon - it was mass winter weather weenie suicide on the boards. But then I vividly recall being on the boards around 11 pm Christmas Eve (everyone else was asleep) and boom, all of the models showed a huge snowstorm and it was what I imagine this place would be like if we ever won a National Championship in football.

I told my family that if the noontime Christmas Day models still showed this, that we were going to leave that evening so we could be back home in time for the storm. Nobody argued with me, lol. So we left Charlotte after dinner, just as it was starting to snow heavily there and the next 3-4 hours from there to about Durham were white knuckle driving on 85 with 2-3" of snow on the interstate and snow falling fairly heavily, so we were only going about 40 mph. Fortunately, we outran the snow and the rest of the trip home was uneventful and we got home around 5 am on 12/26, which was enough time for me to catch a nap, play soccer at 8 am, and then enjoy the snow that arrived a few hours later. That was a crazy storm.

https://www.33andrain.com/guidebook-ecs/

A Guidebook to the Phases of an East Coast Snowstorm

As we step into the morning of a nice snowfall for many, I thought I’d recap the phases we all just went through in an effort to remind ourselves how these play out. Every. Single. Time. But like watching your favorite comedy or horror movie – you’ll still laugh or cringe with each step along the way. We can’t help ourselves. It’s in our DNA.

Phase 1: The Long Range.
It has to originate somewhere, right? Usually someone will post a long range fantasy map of the GFS that shows a raging blizzard. You’ll see words like BECS, HECS, MECS and SECS thrown around at 360 hour maps. Deep down, we all know the odds of verification are less than the odds that some of you won’t be in your mom’s basement on Friday night – but yet you still believe. You just know this is the one time the globals sniffed something out that, via the Butterfly Effect, is likely a ripple in the atmosphere picked up by two eskimos humping in Siberia to keep warm. We track.

Phase 2: The King Phase.
Once we get to 240 hours, invariably there will be an 0z run when most of you are sleeping when the Euro, The King, spits out a solution like the above for the same eskimo humping ripple. But now we’re inside 10 days AND it’s the almighty Euro. THIS is it. THIS is the one that’s going to go 10 straight days without moving. But guess what asshats – it’s not a cutter – so it’s going to move 1,323 times before it gets here, if it ever does. We track harder.

Phase 3: The Long-ish Range Phase.
Somehow, someway – ALL of the models have shown the storm as a bomb at some point by about 180 hours. We’re getting closer. But we’re not. Not at all. But some knucklehead posts a CMC map that shows 54” of snow as a maxima and weenie’s weenies (or weenie-ets) are moving involuntarily. The GFS follows with a bomb a cycle or two later and some have full fledged boners (and even ‘jokingly’ post about it). The Euro, however, has refused to show the bomb it showed at 240 and stays nauseatingly off shore but close enough to know it will find its way back. Then – at just about 150 hours, the Euro decides it sees the storm again at 0z on a Tuesday night. The late night coverage was minimal, but by morning you have to sift through 345 pages of verifications that, indeed, the King showed our bomb. We rejoice. We track. We set ourselves up invariably for…

Phase 4: The Weenie Suicide Phase, The Mid Range
This is the phase that happens every time. Every. Single. Time. But it’s just as painful for all of us. Every model has shown our bomb by this time – and then every single model loses it out to sea – seemingly all at the same time! How? Why? What life choices could I have made differently so this didn’t happen? Why do cutters always cut? F*ck the Midwest. What good is snow for the ocean and fish? The GGEM sucks. The GFS is garbage. The Euro is NOT the same since it’s upgrade. This is the phase when you’ll get to learn all about the models of the world – our very own “Weenie Model Universe” contest. There’s a French Model; German; Korean; Japanese; and a Tanzanian. These get yanked out from places on the internet that will probably freeze your computer and offer you real porn (but you X out of that because you’d rather look at the model than that in case it shows our bomb again). Remember this: In the Mid Range, the JMA will stay amped; the NAVGEM will show a couple of bombs; the GFS will be so stubborn you want to bomb NCEP; and the Euro will likely stay fairly consistent with it’s solution. It’s also at this point some knucklehead starts posting the long range NAM, SREFs and RGEM – even though it’s like driving to work with Stevie Wonder at the wheel. You may get there, but your odds aren’t very good. Many will exclaim that they give up but we all know you’ll be there at every model cycle. Spirits are down, relationships with spouses are on the fritz, drinking picks up and children are neglected – until…

Phase 5: The Short Range and the NW Trends
Despite all of the heartache leading up to this point, this always happens. ALWAYS. The storm you saw at 240 on the Euro and on all the models at the Mid Range at some point – starts its inevitable NW climb. It’s never an all out bomb again. No, no, no weenies – it’s a slow and gradual change. A ‘tick’ as most of you would say. “The GFS is a tick NW but, aloft, it should have been better.” “The Euro is NW again but there should be room for more movement our way given the look of H5.” “The Jet Streak on the NAM begs for a deformation band on top of our heads. Still time.” “The German ticked West along with the French” (really? Who gives a flying donkey f*ck). It’s at this point that you’re happy again. You kiss your wife or girlfriend. The air smells fresher. You say hi to all of your neighbors while walking the dog. You even pick up their dog’s sh*t. Then, the day/night before the storm, the short range models like the NAM and RGEM show an all out hit. Meanwhile, the level-headed professionals at the NWS and other outlets get the snot kicked out of them by weather forums around the world. “What are they doing!?!?!” “Can’t they see what the RGEM just did?” “People are going to die at the hands of the NWS. Blood. Yes, blood, is on their hands.” Weenies post snow maps. There are contests for gift cards. Donations to the boards per inch (all of a sudden, because it’s going to snow, weenie’s normally tight wallets are like mini ATM machines). It is the eve before the snowstorm that you’ve tracked so tirelessly for 10 days now and there is bound to be a ‘Weenie baby boom’ 9 months from this night – our next generation of trackers are smaller than a snowflake and look like microscopic tadpoles – but they’ll be on these boards soon enough and neglecting to read this sage advice: Something is about to happen overnight….

Phase 6: The Last Minute SE Ticks
You wake up having impregnated your spouse. You’re exhausted and hungover – but you don’t care because you went to bed with 9 versions of the NAM, the GEM-LAM, RGEM and 13 of the 9,913 SREF plumes showing you’re going to get smoked. You roll over out of bed and grab your charged phone or iPad (or both so you’re ready to track it inside all day versus going out and actually enjoying the fruits of your labor) and, O.M.G. The models ticked EAST? WTF!!!! HOW can this happen? (by the way, it f*cking happens EVERY time!!!). The NAM cut back for all areas, ESPECIALLY N and W. The RGEM is a shell of its former self. Meanwhile, the GFS has never budged (and will be wrong) and the Euro has stayed pretty consistent. But now you’re so pissed you want to reach into your partner’s private area and take back your future snow baby. This storm isn’t worth it. Then you look at the radar and, like being high on shrooms, you realize that the models are completely wrong. It’s snowing in Nipplehair, TN. No model had that!!! It’s snowing in Marryyourbrother, WV. Ha! Nothing was even close to that!

But guess what? The models are going to be right and someone who thought they would see snow will be smoking cirrus. For most, it may just be a slight cutback – but it doesn’t feel like it. It’s the final gut punch of this wild ride but, alas, for most it will snow and will be beautiful and all of the above will have been worth it.

So the next time we start tracking one of these bad boys from 360 hours out, give this a read and know it will evolve this way to a degree every single time.

Cheers,

Steve (Bombogenesis / Mesobanding)
 
Euro would have it snow from early sunday evening all the way to tuesday late afternoon

12-18 inches

sorry I will pass

Bac, I have a question for you. My understanding is that a model produces many possible solutions. Yet the model settles on one solution, as in your picture above. How does the modeller decide which solution to present? Does the modeller try to figure out the distribution among the scenarios, and pick a central solution? I would think so, but you know better than I do.

BTW, I don't take model results very seriously at this point -- and I don't think @RU848789 intends us to take them seriously. I wouldn't cancel an appointment for Monday, for instance, based on what we want. But it is nice to be able to say to my wife, "Be sure the stakes are up on your driveway in case we have a lot of snow so that the snowplower knows where to go and not go. " In other words, I do only things that won't cause any harm no matter what happens. I have the sense that everybody else here is the same way and that no one relies on a result this far out.
 
Lee Goldberg just said that it looks more likely that we'll have a significant storm early next week.
 
Bac, I have a question for you. My understanding is that a model produces many possible solutions. Yet the model settles on one solution, as in your picture above. How does the modeller decide which solution to present? Does the modeller try to figure out the distribution among the scenarios, and pick a central solution? I would think so, but you know better than I do.

BTW, I don't take model results very seriously at this point -- and I don't think @RU848789 intends us to take them seriously. I wouldn't cancel an appointment for Monday, for instance, based on what we want. But it is nice to be able to say to my wife, "Be sure the stakes are up on your driveway in case we have a lot of snow so that the snowplower knows where to go and not go. " In other words, I do only things that won't cause any harm no matter what happens. I have the sense that everybody else here is the same way and that no one relies on a result this far out.

I think you're confusing the "operational" model with the ensemble models. There is only one run of the main model at each initialization time point (0Z/12Z, for example; some also run at 6Z and 18Z) and that's the operataional model, which is what I often post maps for, as do others, and that model has all of the "best" initial condition data inputs possible.

That same model allows the meteorologists who run the model to run it with a host of varied initial conditions (since some are guessed at for the main model, if the data don't exist for that location, as is often the case over the oceans), selected carefully to evaluate the sensitivity of the model to those initial conditions. Those are the 20 or 50 ensemble member runs (depends on the model) and all of them can be evaluated, but typically forecasters mostly look at the mathematical average or ensemble mean to get a sense for how much model spread there is vs. the operational model and whether the outliers cause the mean to skew in some way or not vs. the operational run, i.e., if the mean has the surface low at 96 hours further SE than the operational does, that's an indication that the operational might not be "seeing" some perturbation well enough. Hope that helps.
By the way, if I were flying into or out of this area on Monday and I could change that flight without penalty and the new timing wasn't an issue for me, I'd do that in a heartbeat. Best case I avoid the heartache of being caught up in delays or worse and the worst case is I fly some different day.
 
A little levity from a weather board oldtimer (and a really good poster) - this is really well done and very funny for anyone who has ever spent any time on weather boards. If not, my guess is you won't find it very funny. We're in Phase 4 now and the weenies are barely holding it together with that UK run, which was a whiff. But it is actually true that for almost every real snowstorm, there was a time in the 3-5 day range where multiple models "lost" the storm for one reason or another, but it came back within 1-2 model cycles.

My favorite was the Boxing Day Blizzard of 2010. Before leaving for Charlotte, NC on 12/23 for 4 days (family Christmas), several models were showing a potential major winter storm for 12/26-27. We got there in the evening of 12/23, though, most of the models showed a miss or not much snow and that lasted into Christmas Eve afternoon - it was mass winter weather weenie suicide on the boards. But then I vividly recall being on the boards around 11 pm Christmas Eve (everyone else was asleep) and boom, all of the models showed a huge snowstorm and it was what I imagine this place would be like if we ever won a National Championship in football.

I told my family that if the noontime Christmas Day models still showed this, that we were going to leave that evening so we could be back home in time for the storm. Nobody argued with me, lol. So we left Charlotte after dinner, just as it was starting to snow heavily there and the next 3-4 hours from there to about Durham were white knuckle driving on 85 with 2-3" of snow on the interstate and snow falling fairly heavily, so we were only going about 40 mph. Fortunately, we outran the snow and the rest of the trip home was uneventful and we got home around 5 am on 12/26, which was enough time for me to catch a nap, play soccer at 8 am, and then enjoy the snow that arrived a few hours later. That was a crazy storm.

https://www.33andrain.com/guidebook-ecs/

A Guidebook to the Phases of an East Coast Snowstorm

As we step into the morning of a nice snowfall for many, I thought I’d recap the phases we all just went through in an effort to remind ourselves how these play out. Every. Single. Time. But like watching your favorite comedy or horror movie – you’ll still laugh or cringe with each step along the way. We can’t help ourselves. It’s in our DNA.

Phase 1: The Long Range.
It has to originate somewhere, right? Usually someone will post a long range fantasy map of the GFS that shows a raging blizzard. You’ll see words like BECS, HECS, MECS and SECS thrown around at 360 hour maps. Deep down, we all know the odds of verification are less than the odds that some of you won’t be in your mom’s basement on Friday night – but yet you still believe. You just know this is the one time the globals sniffed something out that, via the Butterfly Effect, is likely a ripple in the atmosphere picked up by two eskimos humping in Siberia to keep warm. We track.

Phase 2: The King Phase.
Once we get to 240 hours, invariably there will be an 0z run when most of you are sleeping when the Euro, The King, spits out a solution like the above for the same eskimo humping ripple. But now we’re inside 10 days AND it’s the almighty Euro. THIS is it. THIS is the one that’s going to go 10 straight days without moving. But guess what asshats – it’s not a cutter – so it’s going to move 1,323 times before it gets here, if it ever does. We track harder.

Phase 3: The Long-ish Range Phase.
Somehow, someway – ALL of the models have shown the storm as a bomb at some point by about 180 hours. We’re getting closer. But we’re not. Not at all. But some knucklehead posts a CMC map that shows 54” of snow as a maxima and weenie’s weenies (or weenie-ets) are moving involuntarily. The GFS follows with a bomb a cycle or two later and some have full fledged boners (and even ‘jokingly’ post about it). The Euro, however, has refused to show the bomb it showed at 240 and stays nauseatingly off shore but close enough to know it will find its way back. Then – at just about 150 hours, the Euro decides it sees the storm again at 0z on a Tuesday night. The late night coverage was minimal, but by morning you have to sift through 345 pages of verifications that, indeed, the King showed our bomb. We rejoice. We track. We set ourselves up invariably for…

Phase 4: The Weenie Suicide Phase, The Mid Range
This is the phase that happens every time. Every. Single. Time. But it’s just as painful for all of us. Every model has shown our bomb by this time – and then every single model loses it out to sea – seemingly all at the same time! How? Why? What life choices could I have made differently so this didn’t happen? Why do cutters always cut? F*ck the Midwest. What good is snow for the ocean and fish? The GGEM sucks. The GFS is garbage. The Euro is NOT the same since it’s upgrade. This is the phase when you’ll get to learn all about the models of the world – our very own “Weenie Model Universe” contest. There’s a French Model; German; Korean; Japanese; and a Tanzanian. These get yanked out from places on the internet that will probably freeze your computer and offer you real porn (but you X out of that because you’d rather look at the model than that in case it shows our bomb again). Remember this: In the Mid Range, the JMA will stay amped; the NAVGEM will show a couple of bombs; the GFS will be so stubborn you want to bomb NCEP; and the Euro will likely stay fairly consistent with it’s solution. It’s also at this point some knucklehead starts posting the long range NAM, SREFs and RGEM – even though it’s like driving to work with Stevie Wonder at the wheel. You may get there, but your odds aren’t very good. Many will exclaim that they give up but we all know you’ll be there at every model cycle. Spirits are down, relationships with spouses are on the fritz, drinking picks up and children are neglected – until…

Phase 5: The Short Range and the NW Trends
Despite all of the heartache leading up to this point, this always happens. ALWAYS. The storm you saw at 240 on the Euro and on all the models at the Mid Range at some point – starts its inevitable NW climb. It’s never an all out bomb again. No, no, no weenies – it’s a slow and gradual change. A ‘tick’ as most of you would say. “The GFS is a tick NW but, aloft, it should have been better.” “The Euro is NW again but there should be room for more movement our way given the look of H5.” “The Jet Streak on the NAM begs for a deformation band on top of our heads. Still time.” “The German ticked West along with the French” (really? Who gives a flying donkey f*ck). It’s at this point that you’re happy again. You kiss your wife or girlfriend. The air smells fresher. You say hi to all of your neighbors while walking the dog. You even pick up their dog’s sh*t. Then, the day/night before the storm, the short range models like the NAM and RGEM show an all out hit. Meanwhile, the level-headed professionals at the NWS and other outlets get the snot kicked out of them by weather forums around the world. “What are they doing!?!?!” “Can’t they see what the RGEM just did?” “People are going to die at the hands of the NWS. Blood. Yes, blood, is on their hands.” Weenies post snow maps. There are contests for gift cards. Donations to the boards per inch (all of a sudden, because it’s going to snow, weenie’s normally tight wallets are like mini ATM machines). It is the eve before the snowstorm that you’ve tracked so tirelessly for 10 days now and there is bound to be a ‘Weenie baby boom’ 9 months from this night – our next generation of trackers are smaller than a snowflake and look like microscopic tadpoles – but they’ll be on these boards soon enough and neglecting to read this sage advice: Something is about to happen overnight….

Phase 6: The Last Minute SE Ticks
You wake up having impregnated your spouse. You’re exhausted and hungover – but you don’t care because you went to bed with 9 versions of the NAM, the GEM-LAM, RGEM and 13 of the 9,913 SREF plumes showing you’re going to get smoked. You roll over out of bed and grab your charged phone or iPad (or both so you’re ready to track it inside all day versus going out and actually enjoying the fruits of your labor) and, O.M.G. The models ticked EAST? WTF!!!! HOW can this happen? (by the way, it f*cking happens EVERY time!!!). The NAM cut back for all areas, ESPECIALLY N and W. The RGEM is a shell of its former self. Meanwhile, the GFS has never budged (and will be wrong) and the Euro has stayed pretty consistent. But now you’re so pissed you want to reach into your partner’s private area and take back your future snow baby. This storm isn’t worth it. Then you look at the radar and, like being high on shrooms, you realize that the models are completely wrong. It’s snowing in Nipplehair, TN. No model had that!!! It’s snowing in Marryyourbrother, WV. Ha! Nothing was even close to that!

But guess what? The models are going to be right and someone who thought they would see snow will be smoking cirrus. For most, it may just be a slight cutback – but it doesn’t feel like it. It’s the final gut punch of this wild ride but, alas, for most it will snow and will be beautiful and all of the above will have been worth it.

So the next time we start tracking one of these bad boys from 360 hours out, give this a read and know it will evolve this way to a degree every single time.

Cheers,

Steve (Bombogenesis / Mesobanding)
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Do you guys keep track of each model's track record, say annually? It would be good to know which ones to trust more. Also maybe apply that to the 3 sites(weather.com, accuweather, NWS.) Who to trust more?
 
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I think you're confusing the "operational" model with the ensemble models. There is only one run of the main model at each initialization time point (0Z/12Z, for example; some also run at 6Z and 18Z) and that's the operataional model, which is what I often post maps for, as do others, and that model has all of the "best" initial condition data inputs possible.

That same model allows the meteorologists who run the model to run it with a host of varied initial conditions (since some are guessed at for the main model, if the data don't exist for that location, as is often the case over the oceans), selected carefully to evaluate the sensitivity of the model to those initial conditions. Those are the 20 or 50 ensemble member runs (depends on the model) and all of them can be evaluated, but typically forecasters mostly look at the mathematical average or ensemble mean to get a sense for how much model spread there is vs. the operational model and whether the outliers cause the mean to skew in some way or not vs. the operational run, i.e., if the mean has the surface low at 96 hours further SE than the operational does, that's an indication that the operational might not be "seeing" some perturbation well enough. Hope that helps.
By the way, if I were flying into or out of this area on Monday and I could change that flight without penalty and the new timing wasn't an issue for me, I'd do that in a heartbeat. Best case I avoid the heartache of being caught up in delays or worse and the worst case is I fly some different day.

Thanks for educating me -- I always like learning new things. But I still have a question. I would think that, given uncertainty, the same model might have a range of results if the same information is imput into the model. Is this true, and how does the modeller cope with it?
 
A little levity from a weather board oldtimer (and a really good poster) - this is really well done and very funny for anyone who has ever spent any time on weather boards. If not, my guess is you won't find it very funny. We're in Phase 4 now and the weenies are barely holding it together with that UK run, which was a whiff. But it is actually true that for almost every real snowstorm, there was a time in the 3-5 day range where multiple models "lost" the storm for one reason or another, but it came back within 1-2 model cycles.

My favorite was the Boxing Day Blizzard of 2010. Before leaving for Charlotte, NC on 12/23 for 4 days (family Christmas), several models were showing a potential major winter storm for 12/26-27. We got there in the evening of 12/23, though, most of the models showed a miss or not much snow and that lasted into Christmas Eve afternoon - it was mass winter weather weenie suicide on the boards. But then I vividly recall being on the boards around 11 pm Christmas Eve (everyone else was asleep) and boom, all of the models showed a huge snowstorm and it was what I imagine this place would be like if we ever won a National Championship in football.

I told my family that if the noontime Christmas Day models still showed this, that we were going to leave that evening so we could be back home in time for the storm. Nobody argued with me, lol. So we left Charlotte after dinner, just as it was starting to snow heavily there and the next 3-4 hours from there to about Durham were white knuckle driving on 85 with 2-3" of snow on the interstate and snow falling fairly heavily, so we were only going about 40 mph. Fortunately, we outran the snow and the rest of the trip home was uneventful and we got home around 5 am on 12/26, which was enough time for me to catch a nap, play soccer at 8 am, and then enjoy the snow that arrived a few hours later. That was a crazy storm.

https://www.33andrain.com/guidebook-ecs/

A Guidebook to the Phases of an East Coast Snowstorm

As we step into the morning of a nice snowfall for many, I thought I’d recap the phases we all just went through in an effort to remind ourselves how these play out. Every. Single. Time. But like watching your favorite comedy or horror movie – you’ll still laugh or cringe with each step along the way. We can’t help ourselves. It’s in our DNA.

Phase 1: The Long Range.
It has to originate somewhere, right? Usually someone will post a long range fantasy map of the GFS that shows a raging blizzard. You’ll see words like BECS, HECS, MECS and SECS thrown around at 360 hour maps. Deep down, we all know the odds of verification are less than the odds that some of you won’t be in your mom’s basement on Friday night – but yet you still believe. You just know this is the one time the globals sniffed something out that, via the Butterfly Effect, is likely a ripple in the atmosphere picked up by two eskimos humping in Siberia to keep warm. We track.

Phase 2: The King Phase.
Once we get to 240 hours, invariably there will be an 0z run when most of you are sleeping when the Euro, The King, spits out a solution like the above for the same eskimo humping ripple. But now we’re inside 10 days AND it’s the almighty Euro. THIS is it. THIS is the one that’s going to go 10 straight days without moving. But guess what asshats – it’s not a cutter – so it’s going to move 1,323 times before it gets here, if it ever does. We track harder.

Phase 3: The Long-ish Range Phase.
Somehow, someway – ALL of the models have shown the storm as a bomb at some point by about 180 hours. We’re getting closer. But we’re not. Not at all. But some knucklehead posts a CMC map that shows 54” of snow as a maxima and weenie’s weenies (or weenie-ets) are moving involuntarily. The GFS follows with a bomb a cycle or two later and some have full fledged boners (and even ‘jokingly’ post about it). The Euro, however, has refused to show the bomb it showed at 240 and stays nauseatingly off shore but close enough to know it will find its way back. Then – at just about 150 hours, the Euro decides it sees the storm again at 0z on a Tuesday night. The late night coverage was minimal, but by morning you have to sift through 345 pages of verifications that, indeed, the King showed our bomb. We rejoice. We track. We set ourselves up invariably for…

Phase 4: The Weenie Suicide Phase, The Mid Range
This is the phase that happens every time. Every. Single. Time. But it’s just as painful for all of us. Every model has shown our bomb by this time – and then every single model loses it out to sea – seemingly all at the same time! How? Why? What life choices could I have made differently so this didn’t happen? Why do cutters always cut? F*ck the Midwest. What good is snow for the ocean and fish? The GGEM sucks. The GFS is garbage. The Euro is NOT the same since it’s upgrade. This is the phase when you’ll get to learn all about the models of the world – our very own “Weenie Model Universe” contest. There’s a French Model; German; Korean; Japanese; and a Tanzanian. These get yanked out from places on the internet that will probably freeze your computer and offer you real porn (but you X out of that because you’d rather look at the model than that in case it shows our bomb again). Remember this: In the Mid Range, the JMA will stay amped; the NAVGEM will show a couple of bombs; the GFS will be so stubborn you want to bomb NCEP; and the Euro will likely stay fairly consistent with it’s solution. It’s also at this point some knucklehead starts posting the long range NAM, SREFs and RGEM – even though it’s like driving to work with Stevie Wonder at the wheel. You may get there, but your odds aren’t very good. Many will exclaim that they give up but we all know you’ll be there at every model cycle. Spirits are down, relationships with spouses are on the fritz, drinking picks up and children are neglected – until…

Phase 5: The Short Range and the NW Trends
Despite all of the heartache leading up to this point, this always happens. ALWAYS. The storm you saw at 240 on the Euro and on all the models at the Mid Range at some point – starts its inevitable NW climb. It’s never an all out bomb again. No, no, no weenies – it’s a slow and gradual change. A ‘tick’ as most of you would say. “The GFS is a tick NW but, aloft, it should have been better.” “The Euro is NW again but there should be room for more movement our way given the look of H5.” “The Jet Streak on the NAM begs for a deformation band on top of our heads. Still time.” “The German ticked West along with the French” (really? Who gives a flying donkey f*ck). It’s at this point that you’re happy again. You kiss your wife or girlfriend. The air smells fresher. You say hi to all of your neighbors while walking the dog. You even pick up their dog’s sh*t. Then, the day/night before the storm, the short range models like the NAM and RGEM show an all out hit. Meanwhile, the level-headed professionals at the NWS and other outlets get the snot kicked out of them by weather forums around the world. “What are they doing!?!?!” “Can’t they see what the RGEM just did?” “People are going to die at the hands of the NWS. Blood. Yes, blood, is on their hands.” Weenies post snow maps. There are contests for gift cards. Donations to the boards per inch (all of a sudden, because it’s going to snow, weenie’s normally tight wallets are like mini ATM machines). It is the eve before the snowstorm that you’ve tracked so tirelessly for 10 days now and there is bound to be a ‘Weenie baby boom’ 9 months from this night – our next generation of trackers are smaller than a snowflake and look like microscopic tadpoles – but they’ll be on these boards soon enough and neglecting to read this sage advice: Something is about to happen overnight….

Phase 6: The Last Minute SE Ticks
You wake up having impregnated your spouse. You’re exhausted and hungover – but you don’t care because you went to bed with 9 versions of the NAM, the GEM-LAM, RGEM and 13 of the 9,913 SREF plumes showing you’re going to get smoked. You roll over out of bed and grab your charged phone or iPad (or both so you’re ready to track it inside all day versus going out and actually enjoying the fruits of your labor) and, O.M.G. The models ticked EAST? WTF!!!! HOW can this happen? (by the way, it f*cking happens EVERY time!!!). The NAM cut back for all areas, ESPECIALLY N and W. The RGEM is a shell of its former self. Meanwhile, the GFS has never budged (and will be wrong) and the Euro has stayed pretty consistent. But now you’re so pissed you want to reach into your partner’s private area and take back your future snow baby. This storm isn’t worth it. Then you look at the radar and, like being high on shrooms, you realize that the models are completely wrong. It’s snowing in Nipplehair, TN. No model had that!!! It’s snowing in Marryyourbrother, WV. Ha! Nothing was even close to that!

But guess what? The models are going to be right and someone who thought they would see snow will be smoking cirrus. For most, it may just be a slight cutback – but it doesn’t feel like it. It’s the final gut punch of this wild ride but, alas, for most it will snow and will be beautiful and all of the above will have been worth it.

So the next time we start tracking one of these bad boys from 360 hours out, give this a read and know it will evolve this way to a degree every single time.

Cheers,

Steve (Bombogenesis / Mesobanding)

[roll][roll][roll][roll] That is so funny!! To think anyone would actually read that manifesto!
 
We bitch and moan and fight and even agree sometimes. Sometimes things get pretty nasty, but mostly people get over it. Some folks get along better with other folks. All of which is pretty much how most large families operate, in my experience. Or dysfunctional families, at least. 😀

I don't really know if this is how other sports team forums work or not. Other forums I regularly participate in are a community too, but somehow don't quite match this place for the kind of at-home, dinner-table feel it has. Maybe because many people here have more in common than, say, in an automotive brand forum or a technical forum where the membership have fewer things in common?
As the great @derleider once said...

"We're the best Board out there."

This thread, OUR thread, is one of those that prove him right.

In the end we all want the same thing....for Rutgers to shine on AND off the field.
 
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As the great @derleider once said...

"We're the best Board out there."

This thread, OUR thread, is one of those that prove him right.

In the end we all want the same thing....for Rutgers to shine on AND off the field.
Well , on the field and on the court at least .
 
So @RU848789 this isnt worth a new thread as few will figure it out and you are most likely to know this off the top of your head. 43 years ago earlier in January (Friday the 13th) I saw a band called Frank Furter and the Hot Dogs. Where was I and what was the permanent name of the band?
 
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So @RU848789 this isnt worth a new thread as few will figure it out and you are most likely to know this off the top of your head. 43 years ago earlier in January (Friday the 13th) I saw a band called Frank Furter and the Hot Dogs. Where was I and what was the permanent name of the band?
The Cramps - not sure about the show, though. One of the originals...
 
FWIW, NBC10 Philadelphia is saying there's "potential for a major storm." Their forecasters have not tried to predict how much snow. I notice that they think the temperature will break freezing on Monday, so it seems possible to me that this storm may bring a wintry mix rather than pure snow. I hate wintry mixes; people take too many chances driving on such a mix. But of course my views don't matter much to Mother Nature!
 
I understand he posts maybe once or twice a year on the basketball board. But he hasn't been a regular for years. A shame: I thought he was generally a very fine poster.
derleider was a great poster and a meteorologist, by degree, but I think he went into something financial and got married and had at least one kid and said he didn't have time to post any more. He definitely showed up a few times last year during RU's run to the NCAAs in hoops.
 
While we're (I?) waiting for the 0Z models to come out, here's what DT/WxRisk had to say about the storm based on today's 12Z models. He's fairly bullish and has even put an "outlook" map out (he won't call it a forecast, but it's kind of a forecast, lol) - he's generally a pretty skeptical guy, so when he jumps on board I usually take notice.
https://dtwxrisk.medium.com/first-thoughts-on-major-noreaster-jan-31-feb-feb-2-c7bc32741d66

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Like the last guy who said something that perked your ears on the last storm.
 
Lee Golberg had a % map up. Highest % was 3-6 30% 6-12 was 40%. He said somewhere between 3-12 most likely.
 
Here's the latest from the National Weather Service, As usual, a lot depends on where the rain/snow line is with northern New Jersey having the highest chance of snow. Notice also that the NWS thinks that the rain/snow line may shift during the storm.
 
Quick update on the 12Z models, as I'm actually working today. The Euro, CMC, and GFS continue to show a major winter storm (8-12") for almost the entire area, with 12-20" for many in the 95 corridor. However, the UK threw a curveball as it shows no snow north of 276/195, due to suppression (the cold air pressing down too much from the north, shunting the precip south), which is always a risk with strong confluence from the north (need just enough for snow, but not so much that it leads to suppression).

Of course, the weenies just say "toss that run - it's an outlier" which is foolish. The overwhelming evidence is that a major winter storm is still a decent probability, especially when looking at the ensembles of the GFS/CMC/Euro, which all look quite snowy (ensembles are when the model is run with variations on the initial conditions, since they're not all well defined with a storm over the Pacific Ocean and just to see the sensitivity of the main operational model run to these conditions), but suppression can't be discounted as a risk - especially when more than a few of the individual ensemble members show suppression (these get averaged out by some ensemble member runs being coastal huggers or inland).

On to the next set of model runs tonight (0Z) and these will hopefully be "better" since the primary energy for this storm is coming ashore by 7 pm tonight, which will hopefully mean much richer input data for the initial conditions. Close call on that, so we might not have this system fully sampled until tomorrow's 12Z runs. Plus, obviously as we get closer, the models will always converge on a more accurate solution (models are nearly perfect in predicting 1 hour in the future, for example, but become less accurate further away from an event). I'd say if we have model consensus on a major winter storm tonight or certainly by tomorrow, then that's when we'll likely start to see the pros making actual snowfall forecasts (7 am tomorrow morning is about 60 hours from the start of the storm on most models (i.e., about 7 pm Sunday).

So, after a hiccup in this afternoon's 12Z model suite, in which the UK (2nd best performing model) showed a whiff for north of Philly/SNJ, the UK at 0Z shows a major snowstorm, while the CMC and GFS continue to show a major snowstorm for most (8-12" at least and 12-18" for many). However, now the Euro has become the outlier, although not a whiff for everyone like the UK was - instead it's a whiff for areas 25+ miles NW of 95 with 3-6" for the 95 corridor from Philly to NYC and 6-12" from just SE of 95 to the coast, as the Euro track is about 75 miles SE of where it was earlier today. So we don't quite have consensus, but 3 of 4 is still a pretty strong signal for a major snowstorm.

Since the main piece of energy was ashore on the west coast this evening meaning I think better data should have been incorporated into tonight's model runs (the 0Z runs have a 7 pm EST data initialization), so between that and now being within 72-84 hours of the start of the storm (very late Sunday to early Monday), it's time to show the model snowfall maps, especially since they're starting to be seen all over social media anyway. Also by Saturday morning, the storm will be within range of the shorter range mesoscale models like the NAM/RGEM (which only run out 84 hrs).

Again, the model outputs are not a forecast, as most pros won't start making snowfall forecasts until sometime tomorrow, but it's beginning to look quite likely that we're going to get at least a significant snowfall (4-8") for the Philly-NJ-NYC area (and well beyond that to DC to Boston and there is a lot of potential to see a major (>8") snowstorm (not going to put probabilities on these yet, but suffice it to say that I wouldn't be planning to travel on Monday and maybe Tuesday), although the Euro run (the best model) has to be concerning for predicting more than 8" yet - but having 3 of 4 models showing generally >12" for most of the area clearly shows that 8-12" or more is certainly on the table.

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Here's the latest from the National Weather Service, As usual, a lot depends on where the rain/snow line is with northern New Jersey having the highest chance of snow. Notice also that the NWS thinks that the rain/snow line may shift during the storm.
The snow - rain line always shifts during storms in this area. For this one the early precip, which is coming more from the low approaching from the west, such that the moisture is overrunning cold air in place, should be snow everywhere. Then, as the coastal low starts to crank, it usually brings in warmer air aloft, which can lead to a change to rain or sleet, with rain often at the coast and sleet a bit inland - how far inland that penetrates is the key question. And then, as the storm gains latitude, the winds often become more northerly, plus we often have dynamic cooling, causing the snow line to move back towards the coast. Of course, if the Euro were to verify, it's far enough offshore that everyone down to Cape May would get all snow.
 
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Yep, everything is a pretty big hit tonight with the Euro on deck - and the UK was a big deal as it was a complete miss this afternoon. Will post soon with some sort of summary...
Have you noticed patterns within the models in terms of the forecast versus how long until the storm is supposed to hit? i.e., 3 days before they get bullish, 2 days before they back off, etc.?
 
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