I spent a lot of time in Boyles. Love the spot. Horse race fans heaven!
OT: NJ playing catch up in the Craft Beer business
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Definitely can't judge Kane by what they have at the tent right now. They closed onsite consumption in March and only sell much of their basic stuff at the tent and for delivery, but they had Saturday Night Lights and Almond Dream bottles left that you should've snagged. Their best stuff is limited release and sells out fast, but you used to be able to get much of that and unreleased stuff on tap at the brewery when they were serving. They said they may reopen this Fall but who knows.
Quick story. The day that Carton first released their 12% abv Regular Coffee cream ale the first keg was delivered to Gateway bar/liquors on RT 36 in AH when the bar opened. Augie delivered it along with 50 pork roll and cheese breakfast sandwiches. Anyone who ordered the new beer that day was given a free pork roll & cheese sandwich on the side. Needless to say the Locals loved it.
Boyles Tavern was the influence for Carton 07750 DIPA (Monmouth Bch zip code) with Nelson hops. They also hosted the annual Carton anniversary parties. Last time I was there Joe had painted the interior walls in Carton colors. Hope I get to visit again in the future.
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Me too. I know a lot of very long time friends there including the owner, I'm sure you know him by name too. Very special place to me.
Weren't restaurants with on premise consumption of in-house product known as "brewpubs"? These could also fall under the broader category of microbreweries but that term was also encompassing of any smaller production brewery (not sure if there was a legal definition in terms of max. annual # of barrels, or determined by individual states) that was packaging their product and selling off premise. These small breweries could serve on premise but only in conjunction with conducting brewery tours. That could be different state to state but in general it's what I recall going back 25 years or so.
That's the way I recall, too.
Made the mistake of thinking River Horse was a brewpub, only to show up to a black factory on Sat night, lol. Made the distinction from there on out.
Yes and no. Brew pubs were a string of a single brewery that had more than one location. Some like Iron Hill in PA would only brew at certain locations and they used restaurant license and could serve regular booze as well. Conshohocken brewery is another. Where they actually brew beer they only serve beer and others they can serve anything.
What would you call an independent single-location bar/restaurant with onsite brewing?
If they serve booze besides beer and food then it's a restaurant. If they just serve their beer and in state wine and have food trucks it is a brewery
But to distinguish from a restaurant without a brewery, you'd call it a brew pub or restaurant/brewery.
Not talking the legal def specifically in PA, but around the country, colloquially.
Agree with everything here. I think the reason Kane and Carton get rated so highly is that beer ratings trend toward the darker beers and they do a good job there. It's just not my cup of tea, i'd rather spend the day drinking Cape May brews.
Yeah the girl told me "we are trying to figure out a reopening plan." Needless to say i wanted to reply "you've had 6 months" but I held my tongue. I'm looking forward to going back though.
This is from much earlier than the proliferation of food trucks and whether a place serves "in state wine" (PA specific?). Brewpub historically never implied more than one location that I'm aware of. There were several single-location brewpubs over the years. They needed to have a restaurant license to serve food in addition to their beer. Many may have expanded to second locations and beyond to keep growing the brand.
Some may have chosen not to sell other alcohol but likely not because it's a money maker for the business and because that provided alternate options to patrons who were not particularly adventurous about trying different beers that weren't macro-swill.
Boyle's : "For all you do no Bud for you"
Lived in MB over 20 years, my wife for over 45.
How far back do you go at Boyle's? And a horse racing fan. If you go back far enough you must have known my FIL.
Besides serving booze the actually serve food. Breweries usually have taprooms and food trucks.
No Princeton actually has Triumph brewery I believe. I haven’t been there in years. It was more of a restaurant if I remember correctly. It wasn’t that good IMO but it’s been years 10+ since I’ve been there
Isn't Triumph still located downtown on Nassau St. or did they move? I believe that was their original location going back to the early or mid 90s. Used to be pretty busy back in the day the handful of times I visited.
Interesting comment as I think Triumph in Princeton was the first brewpub in the state when it opened, IIRC. But I believe its founders were homebrewers that wanted to take the next step and its origin was as a microbrewery that I think decided they needed to create a reason to attract customers/visitors and generate revenue (aside from growing the brewing and packaging capacity to sell off premise). One of the popular ways back then was to operate a restaurant so that you could serve your beers on premise and charge retail, versus serving a free, token sample to brewery tour attendees which was all that a standalone brewery could do.
It’s an annual (or more often) for wife’s bday. Her grandfather used to go up there to hunt and fish - as do I.
Just the drive up 15 in October is worth it. Buttermilk falls is a pretty cool hike.
It’s one of the many reasons I don’t get why people hate NJ, the state is beautiful.
Really enjoying CM Orange Crushin It. It’s like an 8% OJ. Made a stop there Labor Day weekend.
Triumph was made in the mode of the Harvest Moon in New Brunswick and JJ Bittings in Woodbridge, all three made their beer on location but none ever sold it or canned/bottled it.
What beers did you have? Their flagship year-round type stuff isn't anything to write home about, but the seasonal stuff I think is really good.
I respectfully disagree and think their best stuff is beyond those two, but that's what's great about beer these days, everybody has different tastes yet there's something for everybody. Have you tried Unjunct? It might be my favorite stout that doesn't have any extra flavors added into it.
I do really like their imperial coffee cream ales, in fact I wasn't a fan of Carton at all until the first time I tried Irish Coffee. Also their IPAs tend to be very good in my opinion, especially their Id, Ego, and Superego series, as well as their black IPA, Epitome.
I have but it's been a while, their best beer I think I ever had by them was a collaboration with &telier called 02210, shame is those are usually a one-time release.
Still does per capita!
Maybe more distilleries, too.
Good luck finding the latest releases from out of state, tho.
Yep, my experience was the same. SLC had a pretty decent burgeoning craft brewing scene back in late 90s, and it was separate from their social clubs so anyone could go in without bothering with a membership or anything. Most of them brewed lower alcohol beers due to the Utah state laws but still some good brews.
Recall visiting a few brewpubs when I was out there for a long weekend...also went to Park City and hit one out there too, I think it was called Wasatch Brewery. Was located pretty much near the bottom of a ski slope. One of the SLC ones was Red Rock Brewing iirc. Not sure if any of them are still around these days as this was 20+ years ago.
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Wasatch and Red Rock both still going strong. RR has a Park City location now. Not as much as NJ or other states, but a steady influx of new branda over the past 10 years. Also a slow reversal of some of the weird alcohol laws.
Squatters is my favorite in SLC.
I actually miss the old private club rules in Park City.
All one had to do was ask the doorman if a member would sponsor you. Someone would always do so (the etiquette was that you buy that member a beer).
We did a golf vacation in the St George UT area last Summer and some of the local UT beverage rules there were a little confusing to us. We enter the grill room after the round and see lots of local UT craft beer taps at the bar, along with the std domestic drafts. Told that the UT drafts could only be sold to patrons who ordered food. Since our next stop was the local In n Out Burger we were not eating at the course. Bud Light it was for us.
Bartender swore it was a UT state beverage control regulation, not a club rule. No food, no UT craft beer for you, ha!
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They rank only 24th in consumption per 21+ and 48th in economic impact. Not impressive.
yeah, I remember that at one of the ski areas. got our 1st round and bartender says "oh I forgot, will anybody spo
Good to hear they're still brewing after all these years. Thanks for the update.
I enjoyed experiencing the counterculture in SLC, didn't really have a clue about it before visiting.
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UT or NJ? Wouldn't expect UT to rank highly either way - a good half the pop is anti-alcohol. Surprised it has about the same # of breweries per capita, really. It had a better start, as noted here, but didn't go as all in during the craft brew explosion.
Oh well, CO's a worthwhile road trip.
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