OT: Official 2021 NY Mets Season Thread

[yesrutgers01]

No reason to hash through this more. I've explained to you why you presented no evidence and just named teams and years. You think it's sufficient. Fine. You are on record believing that batting coaches are sufficiently effective and important that their replacement can signficantly alter the offensive production of a team. You can now change your profession to batting coach agent and get 10% of all the vastly better contracts that you'll be getting for these vastly underpaid batting coaches. I'm sure simply mouthing the words 2003 Marlins will get you those better deals.

I have a crazy question for you...We have these billionaire owners, multi millionaire GM's and managers, they try their best to squeeze a few dollars from everything out there to make an extra buck or keep their expenses down. If hitting coaches are worthless, why do they have jobs?

 

[yesrutgers01]

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  NYM Lineup
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  ATL Lineup

Season
Career vs M. Fried

HITTERS	H-AB	RBI	HR	SB	AVG
K. PillarCF	37-167	20	8	2	.222
F. LindorSS	59-273	26	9	6	.216
M. ConfortoRF	29-132	14	2	0	.220
P. Alonso1B	60-229	38	12	1	.262
J. McCannC	49-204	28	7	0	.240
B. McKinneyLF	37-171	19	8	2	.216
J. Peraza2B	23-109	15	5	0	.211
L. Guillorme3B	17-66	1	0	0	.258
D. PetersonP	1-15	0	0	0	.067

You got these numbers somewhere but Alonso has not played in 50+ games that Fried has pitched...Look at the number of AB's they are claiming for each hitter vs him

 

[Doctor Worm]

Dellin Betances' season, and likely his Mets career, is over. He will have shoulder surgery.

 

[willisneverrana43]

I have a crazy question for you...We have these billionaire owners, multi millionaire GM's and managers, they try their best to squeeze a few dollars from everything out there to make an extra buck or keep their expenses down. If hitting coaches are worthless, why do they have jobs?

I'll give my best answer, but only after noting how it's a deflective question--that is, assuming that you are in the camp that believes that a change in a hitting coach can make a quick and vast difference in the way that an offense performs, like others believe here. If that absurd notion was anywhere close to true, then you'd see hitting coaches getting millions per year and deca-million contracts, rather than the players who get up to $300+ million contracts for a 10 year period. Again, if that absurd notion were true, you'd invest the money in the one guy who can make those big changes and less per person on the multiple hitters whose output is supposedly so significantly affected by the batting coach. But of course that's not the case because of course its not true that a hitting coach can make immediate and vast improvements on an offense. Of course.

At to your question, I can't know fully. But I know that they help transmit information, such as data that is collected (often now by systems purchased by teams), making it easier for the hitters to receive and ingest that data. They ensure that hitters have assistance working on hitting in whatever way they need. And, yes, they make suggestions and provide a sounding board for hitters, the worth of which as to overall batting results is easily seen by comparing the amount of the batting coach's one salary to the combined salaries of the hitters. So batting coaches, no doubt, fill a lot of administerial and organzing duties and hand-hold and make suggestors. But they ain't changing the entire offensive fortunes of a team by walking through the door in early July. Of course not. There's a reason that Met players made up a hitting coach earlier this year. And it's why, when batting coaches are fired, the players say that it's their fault and don't like to see anyone lose their job, rather than saying that it's a big loss and they expect it to be vastly detrimental to their hitting. They know.

 

[willisneverrana43]

Dellin Betances' season, and likely his Mets career, is over. He will have shoulder surgery.

BVW. He just keeps killin' it.

 

[Doctor Worm]

You may make of this what you will.

 

[FrankZ]

You may make of this what you will.

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Perhaps on my 21st wedding anniversary, Uncle Stevie will finally make this Bonilla embarrassment go away.

 

[cicero grimes]

No reason to hash through this more. I've explained to you why you presented no evidence and just named teams and years. You think it's sufficient. Fine. You are on record believing that batting coaches are sufficiently effective and important that their replacement can signficantly alter the offensive production of a team. You can now change your profession to batting coach agent and get 10% of all the vastly better contracts that you'll be getting for these vastly underpaid batting coaches. I'm sure simply mouthing the words 2003 Marlins will get you those better deals.

You are correct for once, there is no further reason to hash it through. I have given you 4 examples proving that this course of action can work, you just choose to ignore them. You have provided absolutely nothing to support your position other than naked assertions.
Again you also failed to grasp the essence of my argument which is not and has never been that the new coach will have a magic touch to make the bats hot but that you send a message to shake up a team when you cannot fire the entire team. That can and does work. You are telling them their performance is unacceptable.
Your life's philosophy seems to be ignore facts, disregard evidence, and do nothing when you identify a problem. I don't know what you do for a living but you have a future in politics. Consider a career change.

 

[cicero grimes]

• 
  
  NYM Lineup
• 
  
  ATL Lineup

Season
Career vs M. Fried

HITTERS	H-AB	RBI	HR	SB	AVG
K. PillarCF	37-167	20	8	2	.222
F. LindorSS	59-273	26	9	6	.216
M. ConfortoRF	29-132	14	2	0	.220
P. Alonso1B	60-229	38	12	1	.262
J. McCannC	49-204	28	7	0	.240
B. McKinneyLF	37-171	19	8	2	.216
J. Peraza2B	23-109	15	5	0	.211
L. Guillorme3B	17-66	1	0	0	.258
D. PetersonP	1-15	0	0	0	.067

I am glad no Almora tonight. Was afraid he was going to be in there.

 

[willisneverrana43]

Give the guy a break. He just needs a better hitting coach. :)

 

[nutfromSEC117]

Wacha getting rocked
Washington smashing the ball
Winning 11-5

 

[Zak57]

Sounds like Tarpley is done for the year also.

 

[yesrutgers01]

You are correct for once, there is no further reason to hash it through. I have given you 4 examples proving that this course of action can work, you just choose to ignore them. You have provided absolutely nothing to support your position other than naked assertions.
Again you also failed to grasp the essence of my argument which is not and has never been that the new coach will have a magic touch to make the bats hot but that you send a message to shake up a team when you cannot fire the entire team. That can and does work. You are telling them their performance is unacceptable.
Your life's philosophy seems to be ignore facts, disregard evidence, and do nothing when you identify a problem. I don't know what you do for a living but you have a future in politics. Consider a career change.

Yeah- not sure where anyone has said a hitting coach is going to come in and work magic and turn the bats on.
to me, hitting/pitching coaches are there more to help stop prolonged slumps then to get someone hot. Yeah- there are a few who have a completely different approach but that takes time too.
But they serve a purpose. And in this case, it may be as a wake up call.

 

[nutfromSEC117]

Polar bear !
Heat wave be damned !!!

 

[FrankZ]

Polar 💣

 

[yesrutgers01]

I’m not watching but has it been verified we scored in the first inning? Lol

 

[FrankZ]

And Peterson promptly ruins that 🤦‍♂️

 

[nutfromSEC117]

Just when you think someone turns the corner they lose control of the car and smash into a brick wall

 

[nutfromSEC117]

Peterson leaves with oblique or back tightness

 

[RUforJERSEY]

You got these numbers somewhere but Alonso has not played in 50+ games that Fried has pitched...Look at the number of AB's they are claiming for each hitter vs him

Those are their numbers for the season. Lol

 

[RUforJERSEY]

Only good thing that could happen here is that the rain that is threatening starts falling now and doesn't stop until morning. As long as Reid-Foley stays in they might have 10 before the inning is over. All this while having to watch the game with the insufferable, homer Braves announcers openly cheerleading. Their lead guy and Tom Glavine.

 

[tico brown]

Only good thing that could happen here is that the rain that is threatening starts falling now and doesn't stop until morning. As long as Reid-Foley stays in they might have 10 before the inning is over. All this while having to watch the game with the insufferable, homer Braves announcers openly cheerleading. Their lead guy and Tom Glavine.

F*** Tom Glavine

 

[shields]

Can watch basketball game now.

 

[FrankZ]

Oh my

 

[nutfromSEC117]

Wow
Pete turned and walked away as strike 3 that split the plate was called a ball
Pete returns favor by staring at another strike 3 on next pitch

 

[tico brown]

There’s always tomorrow

 

[Doctor Worm]

Only a day away.

 

[yesrutgers01]

Has any team ever used only 3 actual pitchers in a 20 run game? That has to be a record

 

[RUforJERSEY]

Hopefully this fires them up for tomorrow. I expect Jake to be Jake so perhaps the offense comes out steaming. And I will be at the game.

 

[tico brown]

Here’s hoping for the best.

But…

 

[Doctor Worm]

Here’s hoping for the best.

But…

When your team has Jacob deGrom at its starting pitcher, you are favored to win. Period. No matter who the opposition throws at you in the lineup or on the mound.

So why not hope for the best? No buts about it!

 

[Doctor Worm]

Has any team ever used only 3 actual pitchers in a 20 run game? That has to be a record

And one of them only recorded one out.

 

[Doctor Worm]

For those who gave up on this game, you missed Albert Almora's first Met HR! Three run bomb. No doubter.

Unfortunately he didn't hit it, he pitched it.

 

[yesrutgers01]

For those who gave up on this game, you missed Albert Almora's first Met HR! Three run bomb. No doubter.

Unfortunately he didn't hit it, he pitched it.

He also had our best pitching performance for the night.
Here is the good and bad for the night. Start with the good
It only counts as 1 loss.
We jumped out to an early lead for once
Yep- those were the good lol
And, we win tomorrow- today is forgotten

the bad
Jumping out to that early lead made it even worse
Nothing left to said about the offense
This one single game could be an outliner for our pitching but no matter how good we go back to pitching- our team era will never be the lowest again this year.

 

[RuBird]

Almora needs to be traded to the American League where he can pitch and never have to hit again😇

 

[RUhasarrived]

This is a really big game for the Mets tonight.If the Braves manage to eke out a victory vs deGrom,the Mets will have to face a suddenly revived Yankees offense in the Bronx.If the Dodgers don't do the Mets' work for them in Washington,first place and plus.500 is in jeopardy.

 

[Doctor Worm]

File this under "Tweets which did not age well".

 

[tico brown]

At least June is over. Hoping that July will be a better month. BTW:

HAPPY BOBBY BONILLA DAY!!!!!!

 

[shields]

Sorry but would not give Comforto big money. Not that good.

 

[Mr Magoo]

Even with their abysmal offense, the Mets were first in run differential in the NL East a couple of days ago. They are now dead last (the wrong side of 20-2 will do that). Interestingly, the Marlins, who are in last pace, are 1st in run differential.