You should try the Par-3 2nd hole at Berkshire Valley (258 yds with bunkers guarding front left and right and OB both left and right of the green). Also, the last 3 holes at Sunset Valley stack up with any 3 finishing holes in the state. In fact, NJ Golf Magazine said back in the 90's it was toughest 3 finishing holes in NJ.
You may be right but your description above is one of 2 stories I heard about the Kirkland's ball. In the article it mentions Costco did ultimately settle with Titleist (which means they know they violated the patents). I've heard the same rumors the original was a TaylorMade ball but what I heard (think it was in Golf or Gold Digest) was the original was a knockoff of a Pro V1. The second model was based on the TaylorMade ball. Any balls made in the far east (just like the knock off equipment) are always subject to quality control issues. In all my rounds I think I have found 2 Kirkland's balls on the course. One was this year and I offered it to my partner who refused and said they stink. It's in a bag of balls for my wife to use now.
That 2nd hole at Berkshire is like getting punched in the face early. It's tough to begin with, but if the wind is in your face it's impossible.
I play both those courses a lot and #2 atBerkshire is far tougher than Ridge #6. Also, you are dead on regarding 16-18 at Sunset. More than once I have needed to go 2 or 3 over on the last 3 to break 80 and instead went 5 over. Tough, tough, tough.
Imagine playing those last 3 holes 150 times a year. Little tidbit for anyone who plays Sunset Valley. I am the author of the course guide (its free so ask for one). We had a company survey the holes and I wrote the description and playing strategies.
Take anything you heard and throw it out because most people are don't know much. I knew about the original Costco ball long before people knew it existed and got a hold of 30 dozen. At one point I thought about selling them when they went to $60 on ebay.
Take anything you heard and throw it out because most people are ignorant shits. I knew about the original Costco ball long before people knew it existed and got a hold of 30 dozen. At one point I thought about selling them when they went to $60 on ebay.
The original 4-pc did not violate any patents and they did not settle in the way you are suggesting. Both companies agreed to drop it after Nassau stopped making them.
BTW, the original is not even remotely close to a ProV1 by design.
Also, I forgot to mention the 3-pc is TPU which is not nearly as good as Cast Urethane which the original was.
Please know I am not taking a shot at the course at all but I find it hard to believe that a course with a 130ish slope could be as tough as others with a 140-148 slope, even for the last three holes. Was NJ Golf looking at public purses? You might be right but there are some tough finishing holes in NJ. No disrespect but hard to imagine.
I agree about not taking off rails and yes you are correct about Titleist being the violator and they have lost suits over it.
I play nine almost every Wednesday at 6PM with a buddy who can’t get there earlier. On weekends I either play there or Berkshire Valley. Tomorrow is my last day at work, officially retiring. If you or batts wanna play during the week, I’d be glad to join you. Let me know and I’ll email you
My vague remembrance it was in view of public courses at the time.
Congrats on retirement. Play golf my friend.
Awesome, congratulations on your retirement!!!
Have you tired the Snell MTB Black or MTB-X? Looooong. Feels good off the face, IMO.Take anything you heard and throw it out because most people are don't know much. I knew about the original Costco ball long before people knew it existed and got a hold of 30 dozen. At one point I thought about selling them when they went to $60 on ebay.
The original 4-pc did not violate any patents and they did not settle in the way you are suggesting. Both companies agreed to drop it after Nassau stopped making them.
BTW, the original is not even remotely close to a ProV1 by design.
Also, I forgot to mention the 3-pc is TPU which is not nearly as good as Cast Urethane which the original was.
I have about 5 dozen of each. I also have a bunch of the original MTB and the short-lived MTB Red. The MTB-X is as good as any ball out there. Period.
The only time I drove the green on a Par 4 was at Sunset. Short par 4 with a elevated tee box. My favorite part of the story is it was a 3 wood. Least favorite part of the story was 3 putted for par.
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I play the AVX from time to time. It's a lower trajectory for me so not the longest. Great control around the greens though. I seem to putt great with it.
I’ve probably played the course 250 times over the last 30 years. Earlier this month I birdied 16 for the first time in years - the highlight of my golf year.
You should give the course a try. The greens are also big breaking. The course is all about local knowledge. I have played TPC San Antonio a few times and have seen that ranked as the toughest course to putt on the PGA tour. I think many of Sunset’s greens are tougher than what I experienced at TPC.
it does make a difference though. as a high HCP'er and a gearhead, i can definitely see the difference between balls. the switch from surlyn to urethane covers really opened my eyes. even at my (lack of) speed, i can get so much more spin to stop the ball on the green. Certain balls go 5-10 yards further on comparable hits...and I need all the yards I can get
First time I played Sunset some 30 years ago I 5-putted the first green. One of the guys said "Welcome to Sunset Valley."
The manager at the time (she has since moved to Berkshire Valley) hired a company to do the measurements and put the book together. She asked a good friend of mine and myself if we would be willing to write the descriptions plus any suggested strategy as we have played a few thousand of times each.
New Wilson Staff ball is fantastic but firmer than Duo Professional so maybe not for those who like AVX, etc.
I believe everyone should play a urethane ball as it helps control irons and short game shots through much higher spin. The negative is cost as they cost more.
My FIL was a member at Echo Lake. The very first time he invited me out I asked him for member’s tip on the tee box. He said to hit it straight and long. Wasn’t the most enjoyable round.
