What’s interesting is that if history shows anything when it comes to expansion, specifically when it comes to B1G very little was played out in the media. FSU and to a lesser extent Clemson are playing this out through the legal and media channels. Maybe UM is getting different advice. Let the others absorb cost and bad PR and slide into an open spot when the Acc collapses. Or schools like UNC and UVA already have handshake agreements. Who knows?
OT: B1G additions
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That’s a good point, but FSU & Clemson realize they’re DOA if they don’t get out soon
Miami is a mystery bc they’re the only other school in conference that has a chance at winning a title in our lifetimes
Donna & Nevin really killed that once proud program. Not that I mind seeing them down
Yea I know FSU has to do what’s best for them. But not sure the stodgy powers that be (u presidents, boards etc….) like their tactics and think they will be good partners in the future. I know they would add to the bottom line of the conference but at what cost?
Brother went to UM and played there in early 80’s (much older than me Hahahah) so I know the history. Donna was only out for Donna. And made sure she rewarded herself handsomely.
I’m sure ideally they’d like them to go about it significantly quieter, but they are backed into a corner right now, and essentially do not have a choice if they ever wish to compete again
It’s amazing what happened to that program, but there’s still only a focused, component athletic Director and accompanying buy in from the Powers that be from being Elite again rather quickly
FSU and NC have already been approved for full shares by FOX. So yes, I view it as a given. Beyond that, it is simply illogical to assume FSU is going nuclear without knowing they have a landing spot.
Clemson and NC will be filing their own suits shortly. Likely others as well
I've heard the same re. those 2
Re. Miami, they truly baffle me
It's like they don't care about competing anymore
Shame as I like the idea of FSU/Miami as a pair much like UNC/UVA as a pair.
Agree. They are a fit, but well behind quite a few others on the pecking order
They're also tied in w/VT, as the state wants to ensure both have viable landing spots
True as well. Makes them even less likely given the added complication
Given the B1G's history of success, the amount of $ allotted per year / school, and the league having schools that actually care about athletic success (not to mention schools that match their endgame of AAU, large land grant state universities focused on research), they'd sign it in a minute and start cashing checks shortly thereafter
Yes you would think they’d be sure of a landing spot, but that means they’ve already had Big10 assurances. I’m not convinced of that.
The Pink Elephant in the room :
Would the SEC allow / want the Big. 10 to penetrate its “landscape territory” ?
That being said , if the SEC offers more / reasonably comparative money to FSU than the Big 10- where does FSU choose to go?
From what I’ve read, the SEC also yearns for UNC.
Isnt the ultimate choice going to come down to money and ultimately bottom line - for which travel expenses etc will have to be factored in?
Thus FSU goes to highest bidder ?
Would love to see FSU in Big 10 but I just feel they inevitably end up in SEC.
Jay - Happy Holidays and please let advise if I’m misinterpreting anything !
Would the SEC allow / want the Big. 10 to penetrate its “landscape territory” ?
That being said , if the SEC offers more / reasonably comparative money to FSU than the Big 10- where does FSU choose to go?
From what I’ve read, the SEC also yearns for UNC.
Isnt the ultimate choice going to come down to money and ultimately bottom line - for which travel expenses etc will have to be factored in?
Thus FSU goes to highest bidder ?
Would love to see FSU in Big 10 but I just feel they inevitably end up in SEC.
Jay - Happy Holidays and please let advise if I’m misinterpreting anything !
BEP happy holiday's my friend, I hope all is well and you're enjoying some well-deserved time off!
Money definitely plays a large role, but they don't want to make the same mistake as they made in the 90's by joining the ACC.
In hindsight, it was the right move at the time (more prestigious academically then the SEC and more money at the time, and nobody foresaw bball taking this much of a back seat to football) and winning 3 natty's in 30 years is pretty good.
But you want to be aligned with schools that share your core mission, and who you're similar to culture wise, etc.
Even though it's in the South, and nobody will confuse Tallahassee with NYC, FSU doesn't have a true SEC feel.
Tallahassee is the state capital, so you have a mix of universities (FSU, FAMU and TCC) along with the political aspect with is extremely prevalent. FSU isn't the only game in town, nor do they yield the power there that UF does in Gainesville, Ole Miss does in Oxford, etc.
Additionally, they want to keep ascending into national prominence both academically and athletically. W/the research aspect of the B1G, and the universities there core missions, that's very appealing.
The other two-pronged elephant in the room is getting away from UF. They've battled for equal funding from the state for decades. You go in the SEC, you still could potentially be under their thumb.
You go to the B1G, you've clearly differentiated yourself from them. Which fits more into their model as a national university, whereas UF is very regionalized.
Football wise, the SEC has a bunch of powers with tons of alumni and money (Texas, A & M, UF, UGA, Tennessee, Auburn, Bama, Oklahoma). So you're behind the 8 ball right off the bat as those schools are richer, have more wealthy alumni and have been around longer (FSU went co-ed back in the late 40's).
In the B1G, it's Mich, Buckeye, Nitts to a lesser extent, USC, and ND if they join. Mich and Buckeye are on top, as would ND if they join. Noles would be in that second-tier w/PSU and USC (although one could argue SC would be on top as well w/the right hire and success).
FSU tried for years to get in the SEC and were always denied. Hence, playing anyone, anytime, anywhere for paychecks to gain national relevance.
Contrary to popular belief, they never received a formal invitation in the 90's as Ray Kramer caught wind they were talking to ACC and got pissed, and never extended it. Some say he went into the meeting drunk as a skunk all arrogant and FSU essentially told him to pound sand.
Short story long, I believe they'll end up in the B1G as one of the main hurdles was convincing big $$ boosters that was the better option than the SEC. After the playoff snub, FSU is milking it like they should as they were screwed, but also doing it to convince boosters the SEC and ESPN are bad and the B1G is the way to go.
They will sign it happily. It is a much better deal with no unilateral out clause for Fox
and then he didn't have the balls to quote you so you didn't respond lol
he's a complete douche
I have no issues talking football
We aren’t all going to agree on everything
But when someone literally has no idea what they’re talking about, and acts like a dick in the process, then doubles down on the cluelessness and continues acting like an ass, then acts like he’s innocent… that’s just being a bitch
Own up to being wrong
Or if you you’re going to be an ass, don’t masquerade like an innocent school girl
That’s the great part about the internet… it doesn’t forget, and keeps track of receipts
I’m confused on this as well
They come in it’s more $ per school
Opens up the Florida pipeline
Typicaly don’t compete for recruits
Not rivals
Not geograpicly close
Rutgers is unique in they have the most untapped potential in various ways of any school in the nation
Anyone coming in shouldn’t affect them negatively in the least
Maybe FSU would logically be in an eastern pod with us? But I'd trade OSU and Mich for FSU plus TBD personally.
Are pods definitely happening? I thought they were breaking up divisions but wasn’t sure if that’s final or not yet
I'd agree and think part of it is the way Greg manages the program. Just look at usc qb who hasn't thrown a ball since hs.
I don’t care who’s coming in, Rutgers potential is massive
With nyc 30 miles away, millions of people in a 100 mike radius in a very expensive area of the country and thousands of companies & corporations a stones throw away from campus, the future is limitless if we ever had a microcosm of success or took the bull by the horns with donations and NIL
need to win and win big with and electric team to really maximize it. Not having a qb this year hurt the storyline for us, not acceptable.
massive potential has meant didly, need to do things to realize it
You’re right, it’s just frustrating bc I truly believe we could be a top tier team in college fb with a few tweaks
Hi, I'm back. Nice to see that you and the bipolar chief insult hurler are in a deep bro hug talking smack in your little echo chamber. Clueless and no idea about what again? Was it Hobbs and the NIL article?
Take your own advice on masquerading and acting like a dick. Remember who started in with the insults? That would be you, and I responded in kind.
OT: B1G additions
It became a money problem once Swofford sold the rights to Raycom and his son didn't they promptly sell the next day for millions more?
rutgers.forums.rivals.com
The difference is you and your insult bro have yet to back up any of your opinions in your over the top wish casting on FSU to the B1G. Still waiting for you to back up your opinions with something other than insults and "you're wrong."
Here is a podcast discussion. Cued up, and listen through to the 32 minute mark, if you have the attention span. But you probably will not. And why do you post under two separate screen names?
Context matters. Yet again I provide a link to a podcast discussion (or an article or other source) that includes thorough, reasoned discussion by two people in the know parsing through what was said in the article and the reality of the situation at Rutgers, which support what I have said on Rutgers and NIL. But, you have done little except to lob out hyperbole, insults and "you're wrong! I have yet to see you support your position with anything but your opinion and your assertions that anything you disagree with is that the other person does not know what they are talking about or are "wrong."
Newsflash- most of this thread is pure speculation by anonymous fans on their thoughts and opinions who have no inside information. However, wherever possible, I have linked information from news sources, universities and podcasts from people who spend much of their time talking to people in the know. What do you have to offer in return?
And if you are interested in further reading, and yes, this is speculation from fans of another school, so take it with a grain of salt, but they are Ohio State fans, and last time I checked, Ohio State is a major player in college football and the Big Ten, so maybe they know a little bit more than Rutgers fans. Then again, maybe not.
Reading through the Ohio State fan comments, just like here, there are people who think FSU MAY be a viable B1G team, and others who do not think so. The difference is that the discussion is a civilized one, and not overloaded with an FSU fan boy insulting and/or shouting down posters who disagree with his wants and desires.
A couple/few of the takeaways if the comments linked below are worth anything is that the landscape and vetting process has changed a bit since Rutgers and Maryland were added to the B1G. The media companies, namely ESPN and FOX have a bigger say than when Rutgers and Maryland were added. But do they have the final say? What about the University Presidents and their vote. Would they vote for FSU? That remains to be seen, and there is more on that below. I've given my opinion on FSU. It's an opinion, and in the end, it could be wrong, right of somewhere between, just like anybody else's opinion.
Realignment Discussion- Adding FSU and Miami to the BIG Ten
Been listening to a lot of podcasts during my holiday break and it seems that FSU to the big ten is getting some serious momentum, but I was thinking, adding Miami might actually help us too. 1. They both have historically great brands and they bring a lot of Florida eyeballs to big ten games...
Back to academics and the voting process- University Presidents and Chancellors have to vote to admit new members to the B1G. See some quotes from the linked story.
"When considering the full spectrum of academic, athletic and research excellence, the alignment with our member institutions is extremely clear," Illinois chancellor Robert Jones, chair of the Big Ten council of presidents/chancellors, said in a statement. "We are excited to welcome them and look forward to collaborating and competing with them in the years ahead."
"The Big Ten had examined both Oregon and Washington as expansion candidates last fall, in the wake of the USC and UCLA additions, but then-commissioner Kevin Warren could not rally enough support among presidents and chancellors to approve them."
Will the Big Ten Presidents/Chancellors have the appetite for another addition? Maybe, maybe not. However, IMO, it is unlikely they are going to make a move until they see an outcome in the form of a settlement or a court decision on the FSU/ACC lawsuit. @BigEastPhil made some very good points above about how the SEC may or may not act when it comes to the B1G attempting to establish a presence in Florida, which is definitely an attractive area for expansion. It's a complicated situation with many moving parts, and with a lawsuit and potential liability being huge, it will take quie a while to sort out.
Think you have said yourself FSU does not meet the 24 sport minimum for the B1G. There's one strike. If that's true, they better work on that. FSU is not AAU (which you says does not matter, and others say it does and every team that has been added has been an AAU member when added)-that's two strikes. You will laught at this, but research spending is a third strike (I think- for comparison-Annual research spending: Iowa-$740M; Ohio State $1.36B; Rutgers $929 Million; $1.35B UCLA $1.72B) FSU?--$285M). That is well short of "peer" schools. I did not go through every school and their funding. No, that is not the sole or only criteria--but seems FSU has several negatives going against it. But again, as directly quoted above from a news source, when University Presidents/Chancellors vote, these are some of the items they consider. Athletics is one part of the equation.
@kupuna133 or @rutgersguy1 -anything to add?
Thats a lot of words for someone who threatened to put me on ignore… someone ate his Wheaties today!!Hi, I'm back. Nice to see that you and the bipolar chief insult hurler are in a deep bro hug talking smack in your little echo chamber. Clueless and no idea about what again? Was it Hobbs and the NIL article?
Take your own advice on masquerading and acting like a dick. Remember who started in with the insults? That would be you, and I responded in kind.
OT: B1G additions
It became a money problem once Swofford sold the rights to Raycom and his son didn't they promptly sell the next day for millions more?
The difference is you and your insult bro have yet to back up any of your opinions in your over the top wish casting on FSU to the B1G. Still waiting for you to back up your opinions with something other than insults and "you're wrong."
Here is a podcast discussion. Cued up, and listen through to the 32 minute mark, if you have the attention span. But you probably will not. And why do you post under two separate screen names?
Context matters. Yet again I provide a link to a podcast discussion (or an article or other source) that includes thorough, reasoned discussion by two people in the know parsing through what was said in the article and the reality of the situation at Rutgers, which support what I have said on Rutgers and NIL. But, you have done little except to lob out hyperbole, insults and "you're wrong! I have yet to see you support your position with anything but your opinion and your assertions that anything you disagree with is that the other person does not know what they are talking about or are "wrong."
Newsflash- most of this thread is pure speculation by anonymous fans on their thoughts and opinions who have no inside information. However, wherever possible, I have linked information from news sources, universities and podcasts from people who spend much of their time talking to people in the know. What do you have to offer in return?
And if you are interested in further reading, and yes, this is speculation from fans of another school, so take it with a grain of salt, but they are Ohio State fans, and last time I checked, Ohio State is a major player in college football and the Big Ten, so maybe they know a little bit more than Rutgers fans. Then again, maybe not.
Reading through the Ohio State fan comments, just like here, there are people who think FSU MAY be a viable B1G team, and others who do not think so. The difference is that the discussion is a civilized one, and not overloaded with an FSU fan boy insulting and/or shouting down posters who disagree with his wants and desires.
A couple/few of the takeaways if the comments linked below are worth anything is that the landscape and vetting process has changed a bit since Rutgers and Maryland were added to the B1G. The media companies, namely ESPN and FOX have a bigger say than when Rutgers and Maryland were added. But do they have the final say? What about the University Presidents and their vote. Would they vote for FSU? That remains to be seen, and there is more on that below. I've given my opinion on FSU. It's an opinion, and in the end, it could be wrong, right of somewhere between, just like anybody else's opinion.
Realignment Discussion- Adding FSU and Miami to the BIG Ten
Been listening to a lot of podcasts during my holiday break and it seems that FSU to the big ten is getting some serious momentum, but I was thinking, adding Miami might actually help us too. 1. They both have historically great brands and they bring a lot of Florida eyeballs to big ten games...www.elevenwarriors.com
Back to academics and the voting process- University Presidents and Chancellors have to vote to admit new members to the B1G. See some quotes from the linked story.
"When considering the full spectrum of academic, athletic and research excellence, the alignment with our member institutions is extremely clear," Illinois chancellor Robert Jones, chair of the Big Ten council of presidents/chancellors, said in a statement. "We are excited to welcome them and look forward to collaborating and competing with them in the years ahead."
"The Big Ten had examined both Oregon and Washington as expansion candidates last fall, in the wake of the USC and UCLA additions, but then-commissioner Kevin Warren could not rally enough support among presidents and chancellors to approve them."
Will the Big Ten Presidents/Chancellors have the appetite for another addition? Maybe, maybe not. However, IMO, it is unlikely they are going to make a move until they see an outcome in the form of a settlement or a court decision on the FSU/ACC lawsuit. @BigEastPhil made some very good points above about how the SEC may or may not act when it comes to the B1G attempting to establish a presence in Florida, which is definitely an attractive area for expansion. It's a complicated situation with many moving parts, and with a lawsuit and potential liability being huge, it will take quie a while to sort out.
Think you have said yourself FSU does not meet the 24 sport minimum for the B1G. There's one strike. If that's true, they better work on that. FSU is not AAU (which you says does not matter, and others say it does and every team that has been added has been an AAU member when added)-that's two strikes. You will laught at this, but research spending is a third strike (I think- for comparison-Annual research spending: Iowa-$740M; Ohio State $1.36B; Rutgers $929 Million; $1.35B UCLA $1.72B) FSU?--$285M). That is well short of "peer" schools. I did not go through every school and their funding. No, that is not the sole or only criteria--but seems FSU has several negatives going against it. But again, as directly quoted above from a news source, when University Presidents/Chancellors vote, these are some of the items they consider. Athletics is one part of the equation.
@kupuna133 or @rutgersguy1 -anything to add?
I’m being told it’s the B1G. All indications are it’s the B1G. Common sense…yep, the B1G.
Care to wager on where FSU will end up?
What say you, man of 75k posts…friendly signature bet ?
Having page won’t load errors in Rivals with Chrome and Edge on any device so haven’t posted much. Safari seems to work on my Apple devices but don’t like using it.Hi, I'm back. Nice to see that you and the bipolar chief insult hurler are in a deep bro hug talking smack in your little echo chamber. Clueless and no idea about what again? Was it Hobbs and the NIL article?
Take your own advice on masquerading and acting like a dick. Remember who started in with the insults? That would be you, and I responded in kind.
OT: B1G additions
It became a money problem once Swofford sold the rights to Raycom and his son didn't they promptly sell the next day for millions more?
The difference is you and your insult bro have yet to back up any of your opinions in your over the top wish casting on FSU to the B1G. Still waiting for you to back up your opinions with something other than insults and "you're wrong."
Here is a podcast discussion. Cued up, and listen through to the 32 minute mark, if you have the attention span. But you probably will not. And why do you post under two separate screen names?
Context matters. Yet again I provide a link to a podcast discussion (or an article or other source) that includes thorough, reasoned discussion by two people in the know parsing through what was said in the article and the reality of the situation at Rutgers, which support what I have said on Rutgers and NIL. But, you have done little except to lob out hyperbole, insults and "you're wrong! I have yet to see you support your position with anything but your opinion and your assertions that anything you disagree with is that the other person does not know what they are talking about or are "wrong."
Newsflash- most of this thread is pure speculation by anonymous fans on their thoughts and opinions who have no inside information. However, wherever possible, I have linked information from news sources, universities and podcasts from people who spend much of their time talking to people in the know. What do you have to offer in return?
And if you are interested in further reading, and yes, this is speculation from fans of another school, so take it with a grain of salt, but they are Ohio State fans, and last time I checked, Ohio State is a major player in college football and the Big Ten, so maybe they know a little bit more than Rutgers fans. Then again, maybe not.
Reading through the Ohio State fan comments, just like here, there are people who think FSU MAY be a viable B1G team, and others who do not think so. The difference is that the discussion is a civilized one, and not overloaded with an FSU fan boy insulting and/or shouting down posters who disagree with his wants and desires.
A couple/few of the takeaways if the comments linked below are worth anything is that the landscape and vetting process has changed a bit since Rutgers and Maryland were added to the B1G. The media companies, namely ESPN and FOX have a bigger say than when Rutgers and Maryland were added. But do they have the final say? What about the University Presidents and their vote. Would they vote for FSU? That remains to be seen, and there is more on that below. I've given my opinion on FSU. It's an opinion, and in the end, it could be wrong, right of somewhere between, just like anybody else's opinion.
Realignment Discussion- Adding FSU and Miami to the BIG Ten
Been listening to a lot of podcasts during my holiday break and it seems that FSU to the big ten is getting some serious momentum, but I was thinking, adding Miami might actually help us too. 1. They both have historically great brands and they bring a lot of Florida eyeballs to big ten games...
Back to academics and the voting process- University Presidents and Chancellors have to vote to admit new members to the B1G. See some quotes from the linked story.
"When considering the full spectrum of academic, athletic and research excellence, the alignment with our member institutions is extremely clear," Illinois chancellor Robert Jones, chair of the Big Ten council of presidents/chancellors, said in a statement. "We are excited to welcome them and look forward to collaborating and competing with them in the years ahead."
"The Big Ten had examined both Oregon and Washington as expansion candidates last fall, in the wake of the USC and UCLA additions, but then-commissioner Kevin Warren could not rally enough support among presidents and chancellors to approve them."
Will the Big Ten Presidents/Chancellors have the appetite for another addition? Maybe, maybe not. However, IMO, it is unlikely they are going to make a move until they see an outcome in the form of a settlement or a court decision on the FSU/ACC lawsuit. @BigEastPhil made some very good points above about how the SEC may or may not act when it comes to the B1G attempting to establish a presence in Florida, which is definitely an attractive area for expansion. It's a complicated situation with many moving parts, and with a lawsuit and potential liability being huge, it will take quie a while to sort out.
Think you have said yourself FSU does not meet the 24 sport minimum for the B1G. There's one strike. If that's true, they better work on that. FSU is not AAU (which you says does not matter, and others say it does and every team that has been added has been an AAU member when added)-that's two strikes. You will laught at this, but research spending is a third strike (I think- for comparison-Annual research spending: Iowa-$740M; Ohio State $1.36B; Rutgers $929 Million; $1.35B UCLA $1.72B) FSU?--$285M). That is well short of "peer" schools. I did not go through every school and their funding. No, that is not the sole or only criteria--but seems FSU has several negatives going against it. But again, as directly quoted above from a news source, when University Presidents/Chancellors vote, these are some of the items they consider. Athletics is one part of the equation.
@kupuna133 or @rutgersguy1 -anything to add?
I agree with the order that’s been mentioned ND, UNC, FSU…others. IMO B10 won’t go over 20 without ND.
I think most schools that are realistic candidates meet any academic requirements because it’s just a minimal bar to cross. I don’t agree with the notion that before markets mattered and now brands matter. It all mattered back then and now as well. I’ve always said it’s all part of mosaic and each school has their own with regards to markets, brand, academics etc and they’re weighed to see if they add value. The media companies drive that and the schools have the final say but are looking for every dollar so often will go along.
I’m still skeptical about how quick it will all resolve unless hundreds of millions are paid out in a settlement, regardless of any issues with discovery.
Eventually I’ve always thought FSU will get into the B10 but timetable is always murky. We’ll see.
I knew SI went full woke when they changed up the Swimsuit edition "qualifications," but they've officially gone off the deep end.
It's a magazine catering to sports. The false equivalency cited in their first three paragraphs is cringe worthy at best, yet they're savvy enough to use FSU's name for clicks.
If they feel this strongly about Maximo and Vaicha, I'd hope they'd be doing everything in their power to assist them. Wonder if they got any kickbacks from the article?
Here's the facts; you have a program who doesn't want to get left behind in the arms race of college football. Waiting until 2036 puts them a minimum of 500 million in the hole.
You don't recover from that. All you've built over the last 50 years is out the window. Poff. Gone. Never to be seen again.
So you have two options. First, you can accept your fate, and, success be damned, be regulated to mid-major status.
Or, as a national brand (one that's been earned by playing anyone, anywhere, anytime for money in order for the program to merely survive), you can leverage your hard-earned, well-deserved success into another conference so you're actually able to compete and live up to the standard which you've created for yourself over a long period of time.
And he's making the ACC out to be a martyr? That's laughable at best.
FSU has carried the league for much of the past 30 years. They've gotten continually screwed over in multiple facets, while the majority of the schools there are happy cashing checks given to them b/c of FSU's hard work.
Moreover, FSU only started making noise when the $ discrepancy got too big and it became apparent to anyone who has any hope of competing for titles that this wasn't sustainable.
Any program worth their salt wouldn't take this lying down. Not if they wanted to remain elite. Compete for championships. Live up to the standard set before them, and one that's expected to carry on long after them.
Noles will be out of the league in 2-3 years. I expect another hit piece or two from SI once that happens.
Maybe they'll put the Noles on the cover again. Kind of like they did when Kelvin caught the winning pass from Jameis vs. Auburn in 2013.
That's good for business, right?
It'll surely make them some money.
Maybe if they're feeling charitable, they'll take a faction of those profits and share them with their Peruvian friends.
Interesting tweet here - saying Noles leave by 2025 along w/3 other schools (doesn't say which schools or where they're going) and get out for under 100 million
I’ve made this similar point to you, that you don’t seem to be showing any signs of lack of resources when you look at the coaches salary and staff etc.. Money is just a means to an end and that end is winning. If you have more of it and don’t win who cares and if you have less of it and do win that’s what matters.
I do think FSU will and should leave the ACC but there was opportunity to be had there dominating until circumstances are better and won’t cost in the hundred of millions. What happened this year likely wouldn’t have happened if Travis didn’t get hurt and won’t happen again in the future with 12 teams in the playoff regardless.
Miami left for more money and what have they done in the 20 years since. It doesn’t mean they shouldn’t have left but more money isn’t a panacea either. B12 schools won’t get nearly the money of the P2 but there will be a lot of opportunity for those schools to raise their profiles getting into the playoffs.
Regardless we’ll see how this lawsuit goes, how quickly it goes and how much it costs in legal fees let alone exit fee.. You know I heard on a pod that Kansas’ defense of Bill Self cost 10M in legal fees.
From the article:
Despite that onerous financial burden, the Seminoles somehow had enough nickels to rub together to build a 63-person football staff under head coach Mike Norvell, according to the athletic department’s website. They had enough money to pay Norvell $8 million this year. They had enough program momentum to go 13–0. ACC schools, disadvantaged as they are, have somehow won three of the last 10 college football national championships and played in two other title games. The league somehow won four national titles this fall alone in Olympic sports.
They have enough money to compete short term. But getting those resources strains in other areas.
The baseball stadium, once the gem of college athletics, is falling apart. They're just building a FOF now, and it won't be ready for 2 years. Wake already has one for God's sake.
The other thing is FSU wants to continuing being elite in all sports. Football drives the bus and allows for that, but baseball, softball, soccer, bball at times, etc. are all very important to them.
You can't remain elite and top 20 directors cup standings with the ACC contract falling 500 million behind their peers. FSU doesn't have generations of wealthy alumni as they only went co-ed in 1947, putting them behind the 8 ball of their peers in that regard.
The only choice if they wish to remain elite is to leave the ACC. For their literal survival in the world of college athletics, it's that necessary.
you've been proven wrong in this thread so much it's hysterical. You ought to just be a man and accept you've zero idea what you're talking about. Hell I"m even getting PMs people laughing at you. Par for the course for you. We should meet up at the Dunkin, not far from your place and hash this out over a latte (that is your drink right)Hi, I'm back. Nice to see that you and the bipolar chief insult hurler are in a deep bro hug talking smack in your little echo chamber. Clueless and no idea about what again? Was it Hobbs and the NIL article?
Take your own advice on masquerading and acting like a dick. Remember who started in with the insults? That would be you, and I responded in kind.
OT: B1G additions
It became a money problem once Swofford sold the rights to Raycom and his son didn't they promptly sell the next day for millions more?
The difference is you and your insult bro have yet to back up any of your opinions in your over the top wish casting on FSU to the B1G. Still waiting for you to back up your opinions with something other than insults and "you're wrong."
Here is a podcast discussion. Cued up, and listen through to the 32 minute mark, if you have the attention span. But you probably will not. And why do you post under two separate screen names?
Context matters. Yet again I provide a link to a podcast discussion (or an article or other source) that includes thorough, reasoned discussion by two people in the know parsing through what was said in the article and the reality of the situation at Rutgers, which support what I have said on Rutgers and NIL. But, you have done little except to lob out hyperbole, insults and "you're wrong! I have yet to see you support your position with anything but your opinion and your assertions that anything you disagree with is that the other person does not know what they are talking about or are "wrong."
Newsflash- most of this thread is pure speculation by anonymous fans on their thoughts and opinions who have no inside information. However, wherever possible, I have linked information from news sources, universities and podcasts from people who spend much of their time talking to people in the know. What do you have to offer in return?
And if you are interested in further reading, and yes, this is speculation from fans of another school, so take it with a grain of salt, but they are Ohio State fans, and last time I checked, Ohio State is a major player in college football and the Big Ten, so maybe they know a little bit more than Rutgers fans. Then again, maybe not.
Reading through the Ohio State fan comments, just like here, there are people who think FSU MAY be a viable B1G team, and others who do not think so. The difference is that the discussion is a civilized one, and not overloaded with an FSU fan boy insulting and/or shouting down posters who disagree with his wants and desires.
A couple/few of the takeaways if the comments linked below are worth anything is that the landscape and vetting process has changed a bit since Rutgers and Maryland were added to the B1G. The media companies, namely ESPN and FOX have a bigger say than when Rutgers and Maryland were added. But do they have the final say? What about the University Presidents and their vote. Would they vote for FSU? That remains to be seen, and there is more on that below. I've given my opinion on FSU. It's an opinion, and in the end, it could be wrong, right of somewhere between, just like anybody else's opinion.
Realignment Discussion- Adding FSU and Miami to the BIG Ten
Been listening to a lot of podcasts during my holiday break and it seems that FSU to the big ten is getting some serious momentum, but I was thinking, adding Miami might actually help us too. 1. They both have historically great brands and they bring a lot of Florida eyeballs to big ten games...
Back to academics and the voting process- University Presidents and Chancellors have to vote to admit new members to the B1G. See some quotes from the linked story.
"When considering the full spectrum of academic, athletic and research excellence, the alignment with our member institutions is extremely clear," Illinois chancellor Robert Jones, chair of the Big Ten council of presidents/chancellors, said in a statement. "We are excited to welcome them and look forward to collaborating and competing with them in the years ahead."
"The Big Ten had examined both Oregon and Washington as expansion candidates last fall, in the wake of the USC and UCLA additions, but then-commissioner Kevin Warren could not rally enough support among presidents and chancellors to approve them."
Will the Big Ten Presidents/Chancellors have the appetite for another addition? Maybe, maybe not. However, IMO, it is unlikely they are going to make a move until they see an outcome in the form of a settlement or a court decision on the FSU/ACC lawsuit. @BigEastPhil made some very good points above about how the SEC may or may not act when it comes to the B1G attempting to establish a presence in Florida, which is definitely an attractive area for expansion. It's a complicated situation with many moving parts, and with a lawsuit and potential liability being huge, it will take quie a while to sort out.
Think you have said yourself FSU does not meet the 24 sport minimum for the B1G. There's one strike. If that's true, they better work on that. FSU is not AAU (which you says does not matter, and others say it does and every team that has been added has been an AAU member when added)-that's two strikes. You will laught at this, but research spending is a third strike (I think- for comparison-Annual research spending: Iowa-$740M; Ohio State $1.36B; Rutgers $929 Million; $1.35B UCLA $1.72B) FSU?--$285M). That is well short of "peer" schools. I did not go through every school and their funding. No, that is not the sole or only criteria--but seems FSU has several negatives going against it. But again, as directly quoted above from a news source, when University Presidents/Chancellors vote, these are some of the items they consider. Athletics is one part of the equation.
@kupuna133 or @rutgersguy1 -anything to add?
I figured he was more of a Starbucks guy - make it a venti !!
