OT: Big winter storm next weekend (01/22-01/24)?
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Got very frustrated with the huge variance in measurements on my property, which usually is pretty good during snowstorms, but not this one - too much wind and the snow is too dry. So, did another shovel (#5, lol) and my son and I took a short ride to the local school, which has a huge open field for sports. Walked out about 50 yards into it and took some measurements and they were very consistent, between 18 and 19", so I called it 18.5" as of 5:00 pm.
Had a good snowball fight and wrestling match (kid's stronger than me now, so had to be careful lol). Rode around town a bit and the main roads are passable, but often only have one main lane. Hailey's is open so I may have to take a walk downtown later for a beer.
Snow really picked up here since about 4 pm, as the mega band finally hit us for awhile, but we're 4-7" behind folks in NYC, Union, Essex, Morris, Somerset, etc., as reports of 22-25" in those locations are common, as they were under that band for far longer. With maybe 4-5 more hours of 1" per hour snow, should at least hit 22" here and I could see many places in NNJ/CNJ hitting 25-30" and maybe a little more.
Central Park is at 19.3" at 4 pm, so they should easily make it into 3rd place, all-time (22") and first place is possible (26.9" in Feb 2006). That would be amazing given that everyone was wondering if NYC would make it to 8" 2 days ago. 21.4" in Newark, 21" in Elizabeth and 20" in LGA and reports of 30" in Morris County. NAM crushed it.
So all the pictures my friends in Ocean City are posting on Facebook are doctored?
Um no, they are not doctored. I said we haven't gotten any snow since this morning, I didn't say we aren't flooded.
This is going to fall below both Feb 1983 and Jan 1996 for my area on the all time top snow storms
how about the people who dig giant holes on the beach and die from cave ins? What about them? Does anyone care about them? They have rights too
Not even remotely correct. Storms of this magnitude are like hurricanes in the South. Huge fiscal and local financially beneficial
http://www.forbes.com/sites/afontev...od-for-the-economy-goldman-says/#28d2d2e1bb30
Or for those more interested in hard #'s and/or think GS is biased, here is a detailed GOVT PDF:
http://www.esa.doc.gov/reports/economic-impact-hurricane-sandy.
Where are the towns going to put all of the plowed snow?In crowded Hudson County,there are very few open places.Barring a 10 day stretch in the 50's,the snow will be around until St.Patrick's Day.
haha you started the thread but hardly posted after if you posted once..lol
nothing official but this area has generally been about 18-22 so far with a few more maybe to come
Not sure what the official measurement is in Cranford but it seemed like quite a bit. I have done two extended shoveling sessions and should do another this evening although I really don't feel like it. I even had help from a neighbor with a plow at one point. First time I really thought it would be nice to have a snow blower. Must be getting old!
and just an fyi....there are a couple models showing another big storm for next Friday...stay tuned
@Knight Shift, you on the job? Dunes just breached at MB and in the 4-3, river level is at 6.4' and the tide is coming in.
What is the NAM showing? :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
(Yes, I know it doesn't go out that far...)
Measured 30 inches in 3 spots of my yard in Morris township at 5 pm
Anyone know how many hard inches Hillsboro got?
Anyone know how many hard inches Hillsboro got?
That Forbes article is looking at a macro level, for one, but it also is only looking at specific indicators (GDP, retail spending, construction, and industrial production).
While a storm may have an overall net positive on the economy, it can still have a negative financial impact individually. While construction and retail spending may be up after a storm due to people rebuilding/replacing (great for retail stores and construction workers), it has a negative impact on the individuals who have to pay for that rebuilding/replacing. At an economic level, that money got injected into the economy (good), but at a personal financial level it was removed from savings, added to debt, or will contribute to increased insurance premiums (bad). A storm that causes $50B in damages forces that money to be injected into the economy to get people back to even - whether it is from insurance, federal relief, or their own pockets. While it's a positive for the industries that benefit from a rebuilding effort, it's a negative for those who need to rebuild.
Approximately 62% of Americans have less than $1000 in savings. The cost to these people is far greater than any macro bump to the economy their suffering might contribute to. Taking on credit card debt to buy a generator is good for Home Depot and good for the credit card company collecting interest, but not good for the person who went into debt to keep their lights on and now has to pay interest month to month.
Thank you, Capt. Obvious.
They know all of that. They're just trying to create a half-ass argument for their childish cheerleading for a snowstorm....one that will obviously harm many people.
If your house backs to Union Ave we live about 75 yards apart. I'm on Possum Way. jerzee devil, you and I are neighbors!
pet peeve is weenies gleefully rooting for as much as snow as possible ignoring all the consequences that result
Thought you would've gotten more, based on the radar, but maybe you weren't quite under that mega band either. We had 18.5" at 5 pm and based on really good radar returns since then, I would think we're at 21" by now and might make it to 23". Biggest reports I've heard were in Morris County and Union County (30"+), but none of these are on NWS yet. Most on the NWS ;page is 27" at Clinton.
Kennedy just hit 27.1", which might mean Central Park has reached their record (19.3" at 4 pm) of 26.9" or close to it.
You guys have probably been arguing on an anonymous message boards for years, lol. Easier to open a window and yell.
Central Park just reported 25.1" and with another 3-4" likely, is poised to break its all-time record. Simply amazing for a storm that looked like an 8-12" event 2 days ago.
Lots of misleading reports on the coastal flooding. Yes, it's record flooding in places like Cape May and Lewes, DE and pretty bad from AC southward and it's correct to say that the flooding in these places is "worse than it was for Sandy."
What's misleading though, is that the flooding from Sandy wasn't that great for anywhere south of LBI because its track striking AC, while moving NW, meant that AC on southward were always on the weak side of the storm's circulation and the winds were not coming from off the ocean, so there wasn't hours of "fetch" driving storm surge in those locations.
Sure the flooding is tragic for people who are seeing significant damage, but this flooding is nothing like the flooding seen for Sandy from LBI to Seaside, to AP to the Raritan Bay to NYC to LI, where flooding records were shattered by 3-5 feet and homes were swept into the sea and many lives lost (vs. record flooding today that is barely worse than the previous record).
What's misleading though, is that the flooding from Sandy wasn't that great for anywhere south of LBI because its track striking AC, while moving NW, meant that AC on southward were always on the weak side of the storm's circulation and the winds were not coming from off the ocean, so there wasn't hours of "fetch" driving storm surge in those locations.
Sure the flooding is tragic for people who are seeing significant damage, but this flooding is nothing like the flooding seen for Sandy from LBI to Seaside, to AP to the Raritan Bay to NYC to LI, where flooding records were shattered by 3-5 feet and homes were swept into the sea and many lives lost (vs. record flooding today that is barely worse than the previous record).
The NAM had it.
Yeah, it's made some major mistakes in the past and busted bad, but it had this one. And it's a commentary on the whole science that you had all these mets (allegedly) on the AMWx board saying "there's no way the NAM can be right, there's no support for it, the dynamics are wrong, there's no way."
Way.
Fluid dynamics is a tough thing.
Yeah, it's made some major mistakes in the past and busted bad, but it had this one. And it's a commentary on the whole science that you had all these mets (allegedly) on the AMWx board saying "there's no way the NAM can be right, there's no support for it, the dynamics are wrong, there's no way."
Way.
Fluid dynamics is a tough thing.
I so the radar earlier this afternoon, northern somerset getting raked but southern not as bad..and while we were out doing our business it seemed like way more in Bridgewater than say Belle Mead so I think 15 miles was a difference between 4-5 inches
My biggest fear, as I love to shovel, but I'm only in decent shape, not top shape - and sometimes it doesn't matter, if you have serious heart problems. That's why I do take breaks. I certainly don't want to go yet, but if I make it to 85 or 90 and I'm still shoveling and I go while shoveling out in a gorgeous snowfall, that probably wouldn't be the worst way to go, for me...
Is it possible that was a small drift? I only ask because nobody else in that area is reporting over 24" and radar returns wouldn't have indicated SB got that much. And it's also way too easy to mis-measure in this storm, with so much variance in most people's yards. It's why I finally gave up and went to the local middle school football field to ensure I could get an accurate set of measurements unaffected by the wind or structures.
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