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OT: Cold and Potentially Stormy (Snowy?) Pattern for 2nd half of January

I mean, #'s is posting scientific information about the weather and Bac is asking "what do you like better at Thanksgiving, stuffing or mashed potatoes?" I mean, is he serious? He has the balls to rip #'s about what I view as a relevant weather thread but starts those threads? Actually as I type this i'm realizing how hypocritical it sounds. And again Bac..............I like your threads.

definition of hypocrisy.

I also love how people complain about "OT" threads....within an OT thread. never understood it. It's so simple...if a topic doesnt interest you - just dont click on the thread!!

easy.

for example, I typically ignore threads such as Bac's "what's your favorite Thanksgiving food". but I have no problem with them being here. If others find them fun to participate in.. great! I simply ignore such threads. see? easy, right?

but for someone like Bac (who posts about such, IMHO, silly topics) to criticize #'s threads. I mean, really?
 
definition of hypocrisy.

I also love how people complain about "OT" threads....within an OT thread. never understood it. It's so simple...if a topic doesnt interest you - just dont click on the thread!!

easy.

for example, I typically ignore threads such as Bac's "what's your favorite Thanksgiving food". but I have no problem with them being here. If others find them fun to participate in.. great! I simply ignore such threads. see? easy, right?

but for someone like Bac (who posts about such, IMHO, silly topics) to criticize #'s threads. I mean, really?
Turkey

Oops, wrong thread.
 
You jacked up the conversation format but I was referring to your quote not the tread title.
 
Ok, let’s get some accountability in this thread.
  • How much does it usually snow during the last half of January? A snowy pattern needs to be how far above that?
  • How many inches does a snowstorm need to be considered significant? If there’s a greater probability of them hitting, what baseline are we using?

I’m assuming a small amount above the average run-of-the-mill January (like 3”) would not meet the definition of a snowy pattern? Similar question on the “greater probability of a significant snowstorm.” Let me know if I’m wrong.

For the Numbers critics… put up or shut up. Post your guesses and we’ll check back February 1st to see who won this friendly.
Very fair questions, which I've addressed in past threads like this. Given that this is an RU forum, I think New Brunswick is a good location to look at and the average January snowfall in NB over the 116 years we have records for is 7.1", so the 2nd half of January would be a little over 3.5", on average.

Defining what would be "snowier than normal" could be as little as 7.2", but probably a fairer number might be being in the top quartile of January snowfalls, which would be getting above 10.0" of snow for the month or 5.0" of snow for a half month. So, I'd say if the 2nd half of January is above 5.0", then that would count as "significantly snowier than normal." Others may feel differently - for example getting into the top 10% of Januarys would require 16.7" of snow or 8.4" for a half month. The problem is snowfall is a single-sided non-linear variable, where the range of the top 10% is huge (16-31") while the range for the bottom 10% is tiny (0-0.6") - that's why the median snowfall for January in NB is only 5.0" vs. the average of 7.1".

There's also no agreement on what constitutes a "significant" snowfall. My personal definition has generally been about 4-8", but I think just looking at the total snowfall over the last half of the month is the way to go. I also see little value in having others put up "guesses" as I'm simply interested in whether the actual snowfall is well above normal or not for what looks like a potentially colder and snowier than normal pattern. Obviously, though, others are free to put up their guesses.

http://climate.rutgers.edu/stateclim_v1/monthlydata/index.php?stn=286055&elem=snow

Finally, at this range operational models are fairly useless for guesstimating snowfall even for Sunday's possible event, let alone the 2nd half of the month, given the huge uncertainties introduced by chaos theory for numerical weather predictions, given the known uncertainties in model inputs for initial conditions and boundary conditions. That's why most pros look at ensemble forecasts for any particular model, where the model is perturbed in random ways for the initial and boundary condition inputs, to get a sense of the sensitivity of the model around the operational model run.

And right now, the ensemble mean for the Euro, the best model, is showing well above normal snowfall for the 9th through the 24th (with none of that before the 15th), below, including about 7" for NB, which would be well above the 5" I proposed above for a significantly above normal snowfall for the 2nd half of Jan in NB. That's not a forecast and it may be 100% wrong, but it's simply showing that the potential for snow is much greater than usual (ensembles through Dec were typically showing 1-3" for the next 15 days).

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To each his own I guess. Trend stuff to me is quite interesting. Now, that is coming from someone very interested in the weather, and I suppose would be less interesting to those not interested, but I just don't see the harm in posting the information especially since #'s labeled it as an off topic thread.

It's clear that certain people want to eviscerate #'s every chance they get but I would appreciate they keep that animosity to themselves. I mean, Bac, who pummels #'s continually, opens threads throughout the year related to favorite Thanksgiving food, favorite Christmas song etc.....................of which I like those threads...................So, is an informative weather thread about how teleconnections and their current stages have a potentially significant impact on winter weather in the next few weeks really worse? I mean, #'s is posting scientific information about the weather and Bac is asking "what do you like better at Thanksgiving, stuffing or mashed potatoes?" I mean, is he serious? He has the balls to rip #'s about what I view as a relevant weather thread but starts those threads? Actually as I type this i'm realizing how hypocritical it sounds. And again Bac..............I like your threads.
Actually, the biggest oddity, for me, with regard to bac is that he eviscerates pattern threads and any event thread that starts too early, before there is much certainty on the outcome (and it is true that any weather event thread more than 7 days out is just about worthless, but at 4-5 days out, which is when I normally start them, they have modest accuracy) and yet, every year, he starts posting his bracketology threads (which I love, by the way) a few weeks before the end of the season, when uncertainty is very high and many of the guesses on who will make the tourney at that point will clearly be wrong, since there is so much of the season left. Those threads are quite analogous to storm threads in that they're going to be quite wrong early on, but pretty accurate just before the event, as more and more is known and there is less time remaining for any changes. To me, they're all interesting and fun and I'll never understand why he criticizes these threads.
 
It's cold and snowy in the northern states of America in the winter. No way!
 
Actually, the biggest oddity, for me, with regard to bac is that he eviscerates pattern threads and any event thread that starts too early, before there is much certainty on the outcome (and it is true that any weather event thread more than 7 days out is just about worthless, but at 4-5 days out, which is when I normally start them, they have modest accuracy) and yet, every year, he starts posting his bracketology threads (which I love, by the way) a few weeks before the end of the season, when uncertainty is very high and many of the guesses on who will make the tourney at that point will clearly be wrong, since there is so much of the season left. Those threads are quite analogous to storm threads in that they're going to be quite wrong early on, but pretty accurate just before the event, as more and more is known and there is less time remaining for any changes. To me, they're all interesting and fun and I'll never understand why he criticizes these threads.


there is a reason why I dont do bracketology threads until about February 7 and until RU was a contender I was starting them almost 2 weeks later......its worthless until then, your comparison you are making would be true if I was doing them now but Im not.

and even the ones I do then, are not predictions, they are snapshots in time, what would happen if the committee selected on that day and what schools have to do to boost their chances...again those are not predictions.

what i find is how angry some people get at any kind of comments in this thread toward weather as if this hasnt always been a board where people can post opinions. Expecting everyone to like cold and snow here isnt even close to what someone would post on a weather board
 
there is a reason why I dont do bracketology threads until about February 7 and until RU was a contender I was starting them almost 2 weeks later......its worthless until then, your comparison you are making would be true if I was doing them now but Im not.

and even the ones I do then, are not predictions, they are snapshots in time, what would happen if the committee selected on that day and what schools have to do to boost their chances...again those are not predictions.

what i find is how angry some people get at any kind of comments in this thread toward weather as if this hasnt always been a board where people can post opinions. Expecting everyone to like cold and snow here isnt even close to what someone would post on a weather board
But WeatherAl needs attention 24/7. He can't wait until it makes sense. LOL!
 
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I would put snowier than normal if we have about 3 storms with a grand total over a foot. I wouldnt say one storm the rest of the month giving us 10 inches or so to be a snowier than normal. That to me is just a normal type January that has snow, some Januarys we dont have any, some we get some, some we get alot, one storm can skew a whole month too, we could get one storm of 24 inches and the rest of the month could be mild, is that snowy or did we just get a one storm dump in a warm month

to me there are always threats in January, its best to wait until a few days before to hone in, I see models are all over the map for the coveted storm next Sunday/Monday
 
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wrong answer.

clearly the correct answer is cranberry sauce (especially the chunky kind that has that orange zestyiness)

the even corrector answer is: cranberry sauce described - then you mix it with the mashed potatoes.

come on now!
 
and..so...then report it to the mods, would you like all off topics off the board.

as I indicated above. I have ZERO issue with OT threads.

I think they add value - particularly in the off season

I frequent the ones that interest me and ignore the ones that dont.

I find the weather-related ones of particular interest and find them to be VERY helpful. so much so that when a storm is coming I get my weather info FROM THIS FORUM as #s and others do a great job of providing useful and informative links, graphs, maps, etc.

so, I have no problem with OT threads.

but I do have a problem with hypocrites.
 
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I love this is on the 2nd page already less than 24 hours and virtually nothing of it has to do with the weather.
Because there is nothing weather-related to talk about. Might as well use this thread for other chit chat.
 
as I indicated above. I have ZERO issue with OT threads.

I think they add value - particularly in the off season

I frequent the ones that interest me and ignore the ones that dont.

I find the weather-related ones of particular interest and find them to be VERY helpful. so much so that when a storm is coming I get my weather info FROM THIS FORUM as #s and others do a great job of providing useful and informative links, graphs, maps, etc.

so, I have no problem with OT threads.

but I do have a problem with hypocrites.


where am I a hypocrite, you can post what you want in my thanksgiving thread and I can post what I want in a weather pattern thread
 
where am I a hypocrite, you can post what you want in my thanksgiving thread and I can post what I want in a weather pattern thread

RU89 called you a hypocrite. see his post. I dont disagree with his point-of-view

I agree that you can post whatever you want. we all should post whatever we want (within the rules of course). we also all have the ability to ignore what we want.

but for someone like you who posts all these (non-relevant) OT threads to constantly troll #s for posting INFORMATIVE OT threads...comes across as hypocritical. and frankly, a little odd, as you clearly add value in other aspects on this board (e.g., your post-BB game analyses)
 
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I don't care about DeLucia's brick oven, although pizza sounds good right about now. An increased chance of snow makes me think about getting out of NJ and look for cheap flight to Florida. My snowblower is in the basement and I have/had a false sense that it won't snow.

Bottom line I clicked on it because it interested me and is relevant to my life.
I can make it even easier for you as this is scientific:

- If you WANT it to snow leave the snowblower IN the basement and “HOPE” that it doesn’t

- If you DON’T want it to snow bring the snowblower OUT of the basement, prep it, fuel it and let everyone know you are ready FOR the snow

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Anyone who doesn't want snow is welcome to go down in to my scary 4 foot high basement, bring the snowblower up a half flight of stairs, fill it with gas, and put it in my garage.
 
Anyone who doesn't want snow is welcome to go down in to my scary 4 foot high basement, bring the snowblower up a half flight of stairs, fill it with gas, and put it in my garage.
You take your snowblower up/down a flight of stairs? I hope that it's a single stage and not a monster double stage.
 
I agree. Heck, I had to allow ignored posters just to read yours. Part of keeping the traffic on the site during the off-season is trolling the weather threads, and striking back at the weather trolls, bemoaning those same trolls, instead of just skipping over them or ignoring them.
Oh, I see. 🤣

Well, just to keep the traffic flowing then...

One thing seems clear, based on how many fellow forum members have asked cliquish weather-thread trolls to stop. Site traffic wouldn't be harmed much by stopping. But far be it from me to tell the terminally cliquish how to post.

"Ignored posters". ROFL. Quick, put me back on ignore before you get your feathers ruffled. 😉
 
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Well, just to keep the traffic flowing then, I will point out that it seems clear, based on the number of our fellow forum members who have asked the cliquish weather thread trolls to give it a rest please, that site traffic wouldn't be harmed much, if at all, by the lack of such childish trolling posts.
Holy Run On Sentence, Batman!
 
wrong answer.

clearly the correct answer is cranberry sauce (especially the chunky kind that has that orange zestyiness)

the even corrector answer is: cranberry sauce described - then you mix it with the mashed potatoes.

come on now!
Oops, I forgot about the cranberry sauce with the orange zestiness. I change my answer.
 
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because if there were no responses, its likely this thread would fall of the board in a day since its not about a specific threat,

i am waiting for something to happen in this thread

bump bump bump bump

why isnt anything happening
 
I’ll allow this to continue, @RU848789 as long as you continue to do the individual event, individual thread thing too.😉

This kind of thread really is just for you while the latter IMO is much more important to the community as a whole.
I was told this morning there was a major storm potentially end of week. Came here to see if you true. Love the weather threads.
 
because if there were no responses, its likely this thread would fall of the board in a day since its not about a specific threat,

i am waiting for something to happen in this thread

bump bump bump bump

why isnt anything happening
There's a lot going on here. We're debating OTs for the 550th time.
 
That’s what I look for too.

The actual event is what’s important, not so much the “trend” for the winter/summer.

Trends are very important. As a firefighter, you know this.
 
Actually, the biggest oddity, for me, with regard to bac is that he eviscerates pattern threads and any event thread that starts too early, before there is much certainty on the outcome (and it is true that any weather event thread more than 7 days out is just about worthless, but at 4-5 days out, which is when I normally start them, they have modest accuracy) and yet, every year, he starts posting his bracketology threads (which I love, by the way) a few weeks before the end of the season, when uncertainty is very high and many of the guesses on who will make the tourney at that point will clearly be wrong, since there is so much of the season left. Those threads are quite analogous to storm threads in that they're going to be quite wrong early on, but pretty accurate just before the event, as more and more is known and there is less time remaining for any changes. To me, they're all interesting and fun and I'll never understand why he criticizes these threads.
Perfect example. So much so that Bac has to read it, and at least to himself say "touche #'s.................which he wouldn't admit openly, but a great analogy nonetheless.
 
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I'm interested to see if this will be a nothingburger, a clearly below normal temperature and/or above normal snowfall period, or if we (at least here in Hamilton/Trenton) get a period of the dreaded 33 and rain, sleet, and freezing rain. SST anomalies are decidedly above normal along the eastern seaboard, while they appear to be below normal off southern Alaska (no Blob 3.0)

 
I would put snowier than normal if we have about 3 storms with a grand total over a foot. I wouldnt say one storm the rest of the month giving us 10 inches or so to be a snowier than normal. That to me is just a normal type January that has snow, some Januarys we dont have any, some we get some, some we get alot, one storm can skew a whole month too, we could get one storm of 24 inches and the rest of the month could be mild, is that snowy or did we just get a one storm dump in a warm month

to me there are always threats in January, its best to wait until a few days before to hone in, I see models are all over the map for the coveted storm next Sunday/Monday
A foot in half a month is equivalent to 24" for a full month, which would translate to the 5th snowiest January in 116 years of records in NB - don't you think that bar is a little too high for "snowier than normal?" It's why I picked being in the top 25% of Januarys (or 5.0" in half a month), which seems more reasonable.

Of course models are all over the place 6-7 days out - that's why I wouldn't normally start an event thread until at most 4-5 days out and sometimes later, like with Friday's storm, which I didn't start a thread on until we were a little less than 3 days out, as the models were all over the place before then.
 
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