Baseball America ranks Mets farm system 8th.
ESPN ranks Mets farm system 11th.
ESPN ranks Mets farm system 11th.
OT: New York Mets 2023-2024 Off Season Thread
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So did they blow the wad for 2022 and 2023? And we're now waiting for the farm system to produce talent?
Better depth now with some upside. A lot of it is at the lower levels but in much better shape with the trades made at the deadline last year. New pitching lab going to help immensely.
Zak: You are an eternal optimist! I am afraid that I don't see things as you do. Dodgers fans can talk about signing Ohtani and Yamamoto. Mets fans list non-roster invitees to Spring Training. Not that it is particularly germane to this discussion, I have been a Mets fan since day one 1 in 1962. We have not seen a championship in over 37 years. What leads you to believe that we will see one in the near future?
Let's discuss how they "blew the wad".
In the Cohen era, the Mets have made eight signings/extensions which I would define as Major:
- Francisco Lindor
- Edwin Diaz
- Brandon Nimmo
- Kodai Senga
- Jeff McNeil
- Max Scherzer
- Justin Verlander
- Starling Marte
As we know, the Mets reversed course on Scherzer and Verlander. In the former case, it looks like that was absolutely the correct decision. In the latter, we shall see.
The Marte signing is one that we'd like to have back, but he could surprise us, you never know.
New ownership who is willing to put his money where his mouth is around the whole organization. Not everything is going to show up to the MLB roster right away because building out a whole organization top to bottom takes time. With the state of the franchise the Wilpons left us in it is sorely needed. We also have a real POBO in place that understands this.
I am afraid that the current financial constraints will carry over for at least the near future! Good Farm Systems don't necessarily win pennants. Just out of curiousity, how long have you been a Mets fan. Doctor Worm, if you are following, I ask you the same. As a grouchy 71 year old, I am running out of patience.
I don't think their are financial constraints but being smarted with how they spend now. Eppler was a one trick pony.
Younger than you so at least you've seen some Mets championships!! I was only 2.5 when they won in 86 but been a big fan my whole life. I've seen not one trophy from them.
It is funny- my initial reactions to much going on this off season has been a bit of disappointment- but the reality, most of that stems from the fear of losing Pete after this year. If they could get something locked in there- everything looks better.
But the reality of this year's FA market- Outside of SO, who is really a good mid-long term signing? And once you realized that SO and Yamamoto already had their plan- there isn't really much. Hader may be the next best sure thing.
Every other player could be a major risk.
With that said- I would still like to try to get a guy like JD on a short term deal. Having Lindor/Pete/JD/Alvarez changes this whole lineup.
And looking at the signings we did make- they are all pretty solid and very low risk. As they have been short term. Next year's class and Pete are much more favorable and we have a lot of money coming off the books. Stearns may have been much better then it looks like at this moment- we could be a playoff team and you know what can happen if you just make it. And then be in such better position next year forward.
But the reality of this year's FA market- Outside of SO, who is really a good mid-long term signing? And once you realized that SO and Yamamoto already had their plan- there isn't really much. Hader may be the next best sure thing.
Every other player could be a major risk.
With that said- I would still like to try to get a guy like JD on a short term deal. Having Lindor/Pete/JD/Alvarez changes this whole lineup.
And looking at the signings we did make- they are all pretty solid and very low risk. As they have been short term. Next year's class and Pete are much more favorable and we have a lot of money coming off the books. Stearns may have been much better then it looks like at this moment- we could be a playoff team and you know what can happen if you just make it. And then be in such better position next year forward.
Not sure what to make of it though.
We all know Diaz is an A+
Ottavino- was a little down last year but still a solid guy to have. And it is funny when we say a down year when the guy was in 66 games with a 3.21(just a complete professional)
Raley- his last 2 years have been outstanding
Smith - his worst year but has always been solid in the previous 2 years
Diekman - was lights out in TB but not sure what we have here
Fujinami- I can see taking a flier on him
But
Lopez/Tonkin - they sort of sit in the WTF category for me.
In most bullpens there's no guarantee but I like the arms in this group better than what we had at the beginning of last year after Diaz/Robertson/Raley/Ottavino and 3 of those 4 are back now. Lopez was very good 2 years ago so you never know.
Stearns brought in 16 new RP arms so better to look through as many as possible to find some new ones.
As a member of the A's, Fujinami threw a quality start against the Mets last April. Then as an Oriole, he was one pitch away from an immaculate inning, as noted above.
I wonder if teams place too much importance on how a player performed against them, which is generally a small sample size.
I wonder if teams place too much importance on how a player performed against them, which is generally a small sample size.
None required. Unlike our more youthful compadres, we have experienced the joy - twice!
Enjoyed one - ‘86 made it all worth it. Nothing will ever top that as a sports moment for me.
Tyler Heineman traded to Red Sox, in exchange for undisclosed cash considerations.
I'm thinking that with the proceeds from this transaction, Cohen will now be able to sign JD Martinez.
If the Diekman and Fujinama signings do happen, then I believe we are done. Barring injuries and any other surprises, the 26 man opening day roster is pretty much carved in stone:
STARTING LINEUP (8)
Nimmo LF
McNeil 2B
Lindor SS
Alonso 1B
Marte RF
Bader CF
Alvarez C
Baty 3B
BENCH - INCLUDING DH (5)
Narvaez*
Wendle
Taylor
Vientos
Stewart
* If Mets can find a taker for his salary, Narvaez will be replaced by Nido.
STARTING PITCHING (5)
Senga
Quintana
Severino
Manaea
Houser
RELIEF PITCHING (8)
Diaz
Raley
Ottavino
Smith
Diekman
Fujinama
Pick two more from a pool of 10-15
STARTING LINEUP (8)
Nimmo LF
McNeil 2B
Lindor SS
Alonso 1B
Marte RF
Bader CF
Alvarez C
Baty 3B
BENCH - INCLUDING DH (5)
Narvaez*
Wendle
Taylor
Vientos
Stewart
* If Mets can find a taker for his salary, Narvaez will be replaced by Nido.
STARTING PITCHING (5)
Senga
Quintana
Severino
Manaea
Houser
RELIEF PITCHING (8)
Diaz
Raley
Ottavino
Smith
Diekman
Fujinama
Pick two more from a pool of 10-15
More prospect lists.
sny.tv
Mets Top 30 prospects for 2024 season
Here are the Mets' top 30 prospects for the 2024 season.
sny.tv
Interesting report. A couple thoughts:More prospect lists.
Mets Top 30 prospects for 2024 season
Here are the Mets' top 30 prospects for the 2024 season.
1. A big LOL when I see ETA of 2029.
2. Disappointed to see the writeup on Parada. You questions why he was drafted high when you read it. Needs to step up in 2024 or will be passed by.
3. Surprised Butto wasn't rated higher given his success in the big leagues (given a small sample size).
4. Found it interesting they have turned 3 college relievers into starters. One plus is should have less wear and tear on their arms not being starters in college.
5. Hopefully no Bo Gentry's among the hitters.
NY Post reporting that Mets are in contact with JD Martinez and would be interested if price is right.
He was paid $10m last year.
Just get it done !
Obviously JD much preferred over Vientos / Stewart combo at DH
He was paid $10m last year.
Just get it done !
Obviously JD much preferred over Vientos / Stewart combo at DH
Easy for us to say. Remember, the Mets pay 110% luxury tax on every signing. Is Martinez a $21M player?
I would add that Mets already have an expensive DH on their roster. His name is Starling Marte. His defensive skills have eroded.
Steve Cohen is a multi-billionaire. Do you mean to tell me that $10.5 million in luxury tax is enough to prevent this team from signing a decent DH? If they don't sign JD, or a comparable player, it is tantamount to writing off the 2024 season.
I mean to tell you that it is very easy to be generous with someone else's money.
Yeah, that's a problem. If his swing does return, and if there are no further signings, I would expect Marte to DH a lot, with Taylor or McNeil in right.
How much money in lost revenue, due to lack of attendance will writing off 2024 mean to Mr. Cohen?
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The application of the 110% luxury tax, by definition, means that the answer to your question will always be "no." So I'm not sure that it's the right question. If the Mets are willing to got to $10mm more, that already means that they are willing to pay $21mm. So the question is whether this is where that Mets want to spend that already-earmarked money.
