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OT: Potential Significant to Major Winter Storm Saturday, 1/29/22 (but high uncertainty)

Well, the NWS-NYC dismissed the 18Z NAM for what it's worth, which is why they went with the NBM model blend, which is still quite high (see below), plus the rest of the 18Z suite looks similar (GFS/RDPS) to slightly better (Euro) than it did at 12Z. I feel like I've been saying this for weeks, but I've always felt tonight's 0Z model suite, which will have the full RAOB (radiosonde balloons) initial dataset in place for the first time, with the two main systems over land, plus the NOAA flight data ingested, will be when we hopefully start to see some model consensus. We'll just have to see in a few hours. The rest of the 18Z runs are below, fwiw.

However, the 18Z NAM is an eye opener as it has
shifted well east of the area with no measurable precipitation. This
scenario seems unlikely at this time. Due to the large uncertainty
and bouncing around of the guidance, we are running with a model
blend approach. Should this eastward trend continue with subsequent
runs, snowfall amounts will trend down.

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0Z suite time, which is when I've been thinking we'll finally get much closer to model consensus, given the much richer inital condition data inputs (plus just being closer to the event). And Holy Turnaround Batman - the 0Z NAM moved maybe 75 miles NW, not quite as snowy as the 12Z monster, but far more snowy than the essentially snowless 18Z and the upper level evolution/phasing was just a hair from being as good as 12Z, according to the pros at 33. I guess the NWS knew what they were doing by ignoring it, lol. Cannot make this stuff up. Maybe due to much better data inputs at model initialization, but regardless, the two systems were much better aligned and phased much better/earlier, driving the trough negative, which pulled the coastal up towards the benchmark instead of out to sea. Let's see the rest of the 0Z suite before thinking anything has really changed vs. the NAM simply being on crack.

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Could be a significant NW trend underway, as the RDPS moved a good 40-50 miles NW and is even snowier than the 0Z NAM; see the graphic below. Also, the 0Z Icon (German model, which is not used much) also moved about 75 miles NW and is far snowier (not going to post it, but it's another data point).

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And the 0Z GFS went even further east with snow only along the coast, really (a few inches with little along 95), but it's now alone, as the CMC and the UK both moved significantly west with significant to major snows for most in our area - maps aren't out for those two yet, but have seen the precip fields; maps shortly.

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Below is the map for the much snowier CMC model at 0Z, as it moved NW a good 60 miles from 12Z and below that is the far snowier UK model, which shifted 150 miles NW with the storm track and now shows a raging snowstorm (and possibly blizzard for the coast, especially LI) for our whole area, including even NW areas. Euro up next in 90 minutes and it's been rock solid on a major snowstorm for our area for a couple of days now, so one would expect that to continue and if it does, we'll be looking at a significant to major snowstorm for most of the Philly-NJ-NYC area, except well NW of 95.

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And last but not least, the 0Z Euro actually looked better in the upper levels than the last 2 runs, but was a smidgen less snowy, as the low scooted a bit further east at the end of the run. Still a 4-7" snowfall for the 95 corridor and 7-10" towards the coast and 2-4" NW. Right now, we actually have fairly remarkable alignment among the Euro, CMC, RDPS, NAM, and UK for a general 4-8" for the 95 corridor, 7-12" towards the coast and 2-5" NW. Hoping to see an updated NBM soon. The GFS is a huge outlier. Watches almost certainly to go up for most (probably not for NW areas) with the 4 am package soon.

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Usually I like snow but I’m supposed to fly to Utah on Saturday morning so I hope this one doesn’t pan out.
The 0Z suite, so far is coming in NW of earlier runs, which means much snowier and we're now only 48 hours from the event start. If the rest of the 0Z suite comes in like the NAM/RDPS or even close to it, that will put Sat am flights at risk, so if you can change your flight to any time Friday without any hassle, you might want to start thinking about it after the 0Z runs are over - you know, at 1:30 am, when I'll be posting about them, lol.
 
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#’s thanks for the updates. I live in north east Monmouth county so we look like we’re in the cross hairs.
Quick question for a weather newbie…. What do the model names mean? “12Z”, “18z”, “0z” ? I’ve always been curious on that.
thanks
 
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#’s thanks for the updates. I live in north east Monmouth county so we look like we’re in the cross hairs.
Quick question for a weather newbie…. What do the model names mean? “12Z”, “18z”, “0z” ? I’ve always been curious on that.
thanks
Hey, old neighbor. May get it worse down here in Manasquan area than my old hood next to Sea Bright. I don't miss the flooding in Sea Bright though.

Some great explanations in the links. But they defy logical explanation:
"The most common Z times you will come across are 0Z (late afternoon in US), 18Z (near noon in US), 12Z (morning in US) and 6Z (near midnight in US)."

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#’s thanks for the updates. I live in north east Monmouth county so we look like we’re in the cross hairs.
Quick question for a weather newbie…. What do the model names mean? “12Z”, “18z”, “0z” ? I’ve always been curious on that.
thanks
0Z is 0Z or midnight Greenwhich Mean Time or 7 pm EST now and the rest are increments from that with 12Z being 7 am EST. Here's the model schedule...

WEATHER MODEL RUN TIMES​


All the times are EST and approximate.

GFS (out to 384 hours)
0z: 10:30pm
6z: 4:30am
12z: 10:30am
18z: 4:30pm

NAM (out to 84 hours)
0z: 8:35pm
6z: 2:35am
12z: 8:35am
18z: 2:35pm

CMC (out to 180 hours)
0z: 12:00am
12z : 12:00pm

UKMET (out to 72 hours)
0z: 12:30am
12z: 12:30pm

ECMWF (EURO) (out to 240 hours)
0z: 1:30am
12z: 1:30pm
 
0Z is 0Z or midnight Greenwhich Mean Time or 7 pm EST now and the rest are increments from that with 12Z being 7 am EST. Here's the model schedule...

WEATHER MODEL RUN TIMES​


All the times are EST and approximate.

GFS (out to 384 hours)
0z: 10:30pm
6z: 4:30am
12z: 10:30am
18z: 4:30pm

NAM (out to 84 hours)
0z: 8:35pm
6z: 2:35am
12z: 8:35am
18z: 2:35pm

CMC (out to 180 hours)
0z: 12:00am
12z : 12:00pm

UKMET (out to 72 hours)
0z: 12:30am
12z: 12:30pm

ECMWF (EURO) (out to 240 hours)
0z: 1:30am
12z: 1:30pm
You were more to the point than I was! 🤣
 
Lee Goldberg just went with 12-24" for the east end of LI/New England, 6-12" for the rest of LI, NYC, and Monmouth/Ocean down to Cumberland, 3-6" for areas along and to about 30 miles NW of 95 and 1-3" for Sussex/Warren, NE PA, Poconos, Catskill. The 6" line runs from about Glassboro to Perth Amboy to Central Park and up to about Danbury CT. Much snowier than he was talking about earlier and he was pretty clear about how the gradient from SE to NW will be very steep, so it'll be easy to go from 8" to a few inches over maybe 30 miles, but way too early to know where that gradient will be so steep.
 
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Sorry, but a psychiatrist ain't gonna help you one bit no matter how many you see.
 
Lee Goldberg just went with 12-24" for the east end of LI/New England, 6-12" for the rest of LI, NYC, and Monmouth/Ocean down to Cumberland, 3-6" for areas along and to about 30 miles NW of 95 and 1-3" for Sussex/Warren, NE PA, Poconos, Catskill. The 6" line runs from about Glassboro to Perth Amboy to Central Park and up to about Danbury CT. Much snowier than he was talking about earlier and he was pretty clear about how the gradient from SE to NW will be very steep, so it'll be easy to go from 8" to a few inches over maybe 30 miles, but way too early to know where that gradient will be so steep.
Lonnie Quinn had 6-12" at extreme Jersey Shore Coast and then 2-6" say east of Turnpike.
 
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The 0Z suite, so far is coming in NW of earlier runs, which means much snowier and we're now only 48 hours from the event start. If the rest of the 0Z suite comes in like the NAM/RDPS or even close to it, that will put Sat am flights at risk, so if you can change your flight to any time Friday without any hassle, you might want to start thinking about it after the 0Z runs are over - you know, at 1:30 am, when I'll be posting about them, lol.
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and tomorrow morning the runs can move east again..plenty of runs to go given the gfs
OF course they can, but we're getting pretty close to the event, when major shifts become less likely, especially if we have near consensus. Remember, Jan 2015 did not have model consensus - the NWS and most other forecasters were going by the Euro and a couple of other models including the NAM, iirc, but 2-3 models were showing a later phase and much less snow west of the Hudson and they turned out to be right. Jan-2015 was really only a significant bust west of the Hudson (it was a modest bust for NYC, but they did get a foot or more with 18-30" forecast, iirc.
 
Lonnie Quinn had 6-12" at extreme Jersey Shore Coast and then 2-6" say east of Turnpike.
Lonnie Quinn is a pretty boy who isn't a degreed met and clearly doesn't know his meteorology very well - fortunately, CBS has real mets off camera putting together the forecasts he presents - no issue with their forecast at this point.
 
0Z suite time, which is when I've been thinking we'll finally get much closer to model consensus, given the much richer inital condition data inputs (plus just being closer to the event). And Holy Turnaround Batman - the 0Z NAM moved maybe 75 miles NW, not quite as snowy as the 12Z monster, but far more snowy than the essentially snowless 18Z and the upper level evolution/phasing was just a hair from being as good as 12Z, according to the pros at 33. I guess the NWS knew what they were doing by ignoring it, lol. Cannot make this stuff up. Maybe due to much better data inputs at model initialization, but regardless, the two systems were much better aligned and phased much better/earlier, driving the trough negative, which pulled the coastal up towards the benchmark instead of out to sea. Let's see the rest of the 0Z suite before thinking anything has really changed vs. the NAM simply being on crack.

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Could be a significant NW trend underway, as the RDPS moved a good 40-50 miles NW and is even snowier than the 0Z NAM; see the graphic below. Also, the 0Z Icon (German model, which is not used much) also moved about 75 miles NW and is far snowier (not going to post it, but it's another data point).

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And the 0Z GFS went even further east with snow only along the coast, really (a few inches with little along 95), but it's now alone, as the CMC and the UK both moved significantly west with significant to major snows for most in our area - maps aren't out for those two yet, but have seen the precip fields; maps shortly.

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Below is the map for the much snowier CMC model at 0Z, as it moved NW a good 60 miles from 12Z and below that is the far snowier UK model, which shifted 150 miles NW with the storm track and now shows a raging snowstorm (and possibly blizzard for the coast, especially LI) for our whole area, including even NW areas. Euro up next in 90 minutes and it's been rock solid on a major snowstorm for our area for a couple of days now, so one would expect that to continue and if it does, we'll be looking at a significant to major snowstorm for most of the Philly-NJ-NYC area, except well NW of 95.

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And last but not least, the 0Z Euro actually looked better in the upper levels than the last 2 runs, but was a smidgen less snowy, as the low scooted a bit further east at the end of the run. Still a 4-7" snowfall for the 95 corridor and 7-10" towards the coast and 2-4" NW. Right now, we actually have fairly remarkable alignment among the Euro, CMC, RDPS, NAM, and UK for a general 4-8" for the 95 corridor, 7-12" towards the coast and 2-5" NW. Hoping to see an updated NBM soon. The GFS is a huge outlier. Watches almost certainly to go up for most (probably not for NW areas) with the 4 am package soon.

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The 0Z models, except the GFS, now show a significant (4-8") to major (7-10") snowstorm for the 95 corridor through the coast and a moderate to significant (3-6") snowstorm for areas 25+ miles NW of 95 and over a foot NE of NYC (and possibly for the NJ coast). The GFS is a major outlier and is known to have a SE track bias for major phased storms - doesn't mean it's wrong, but it's far more likely, now, that the other models are closer to what's likely to happen.

We'll likely see NWS forecast amounts go up a bit (although the NWS forecasts were already on the high side vs. where the models were earlier), especially given higher than normal snow/liquid ratios of 12-15:1 expected given how cold it will be (teens to mid 20s once the snow starts in earnest in the wee hours of Sat morning), which would make 6" of snow into 7-9" of snow depth and we'll see winter storm watches for most of the area (maybe not well NW of 95) at 4 am this morning.

As Mr. TV would say, you can take that (issuing watches and increasing snow forecasts) to the bank. Still 48 hours to the event, so significant changes are still possible, especially with the GFS showing little snow, as it's done pretty well this year, but becoming less likely given the near consensus and since errors always decrease as one gets closer to the event and we're now in the short range.
 
0Z suite time, which is when I've been thinking we'll finally get much closer to model consensus, given the much richer inital condition data inputs (plus just being closer to the event). And Holy Turnaround Batman - the 0Z NAM moved maybe 75 miles NW, not quite as snowy as the 12Z monster, but far more snowy than the essentially snowless 18Z and the upper level evolution/phasing was just a hair from being as good as 12Z, according to the pros at 33. I guess the NWS knew what they were doing by ignoring it, lol. Cannot make this stuff up. Maybe due to much better data inputs at model initialization, but regardless, the two systems were much better aligned and phased much better/earlier, driving the trough negative, which pulled the coastal up towards the benchmark instead of out to sea. Let's see the rest of the 0Z suite before thinking anything has really changed vs. the NAM simply being on crack.

CZRb37R.png



Could be a significant NW trend underway, as the RDPS moved a good 40-50 miles NW and is even snowier than the 0Z NAM; see the graphic below. Also, the 0Z Icon (German model, which is not used much) also moved about 75 miles NW and is far snowier (not going to post it, but it's another data point).

3sfBuBI.png


And the 0Z GFS went even further east with snow only along the coast, really (a few inches with little along 95), but it's now alone, as the CMC and the UK both moved significantly west with significant to major snows for most in our area - maps aren't out for those two yet, but have seen the precip fields; maps shortly.

LjlFWC6.png


Below is the map for the much snowier CMC model at 0Z, as it moved NW a good 60 miles from 12Z and below that is the far snowier UK model, which shifted 150 miles NW with the storm track and now shows a raging snowstorm (and possibly blizzard for the coast, especially LI) for our whole area, including even NW areas. Euro up next in 90 minutes and it's been rock solid on a major snowstorm for our area for a couple of days now, so one would expect that to continue and if it does, we'll be looking at a significant to major snowstorm for most of the Philly-NJ-NYC area, except well NW of 95.

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And last but not least, the 0Z Euro actually looked better in the upper levels than the last 2 runs, but was a smidgen less snowy, as the low scooted a bit further east at the end of the run. Still a 4-7" snowfall for the 95 corridor and 7-10" towards the coast and 2-4" NW. Right now, we actually have fairly remarkable alignment among the Euro, CMC, RDPS, NAM, and UK for a general 4-8" for the 95 corridor, 7-12" towards the coast and 2-5" NW. Hoping to see an updated NBM soon. The GFS is a huge outlier. Watches almost certainly to go up for most (probably not for NW areas) with the 4 am package soon.

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The 0Z models, except the GFS, now show a significant (4-8") to major (7-10") snowstorm for the 95 corridor through the coast and a moderate to significant (3-6") snowstorm for areas 25+ miles NW of 95 and over a foot NE of NYC (and possibly for the NJ coast). The GFS is a major outlier and is known to have a SE track bias for major phased storms - doesn't mean it's wrong, but it's far more likely, now, that the other models are closer to what's likely to happen.

We'll likely see NWS forecast amounts go up a bit (although the NWS forecasts were already on the high side vs. where the models were earlier), especially given higher than normal snow/liquid ratios of 12-15:1 expected given how cold it will be (teens to mid 20s once the snow starts in earnest in the wee hours of Sat morning), which would make 6" of snow into 7-9" of snow depth and we'll see winter storm watches for most of the area (maybe not well NW of 95) at 4 am this morning.

As Mr. TV would say, you can take that (issuing watches and increasing snow forecasts) to the bank. Still 48 hours to the event, so significant changes are still possible, especially with the GFS showing little snow, as it's done pretty well this year, but becoming less likely given the near consensus and since errors always decrease as one gets closer to the event and we're now in the short range.
Time for bed, but before that, the 6Z NAM was a decent amount snowier along and NW of 95 and for the coast and for NE of NYC by an inch or two almost everywhere.

In addition, as expected, the NWS-Philly has issued winter storm watches for the 95 corridor from DE to Middlesex for 4-9" of snow and for the NJ/DE coasts for 6-12" of snow, but the counties NW of 95 were not included, but still might be (most surprised Somerset isn't included). And the NYC office issued watches for Hudson, NYC and LI for 6-12", but did not include Union, Essex, Passaic and Bergen, but those may be added too. New snowfall maps are below and they're pretty close to what they were at 4 pm, with maybe an inch or so shaved off a lot of places NW of 95 and the rest staying mostly the same.

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The 6Z RDPS/RGEM also was a touch snowier than at 0Z, as per below.

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And here's the 6Z GFS, which made a modest move towards the model consensus, by moving NW about 40 miles, brining 2-4" to the coast and about an inch to 95 (was almost a complete whiff at 0Z).

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And finally, the 6Z Euro shifted a fair amount east (later phase of the two systems lets the coastal shift east and gives less precip for our area also), which has caused massive depression among the weenies, as that's not a good sign, as snowfall amounts went down considerably vs. 0Z. This would only be a 3-5" event for 95 and 5-8" for the coast and 1-3" NW.

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- Big lurch west? Check.
- Weenies back off the ledge? Check.
- Overnight NAM run...NAMs us? Check.

On deck: models start ticking east throughout the day. Weenies enter the Negotiation phase.

And I'm still chuckling how the 0z GFS gave us the "Screw you guys, I'm going home!". Imagine if the 6z verifies.
 
0Z suite time, which is when I've been thinking we'll finally get much closer to model consensus, given the much richer inital condition data inputs (plus just being closer to the event). And Holy Turnaround Batman - the 0Z NAM moved maybe 75 miles NW, not quite as snowy as the 12Z monster, but far more snowy than the essentially snowless 18Z and the upper level evolution/phasing was just a hair from being as good as 12Z, according to the pros at 33. I guess the NWS knew what they were doing by ignoring it, lol. Cannot make this stuff up. Maybe due to much better data inputs at model initialization, but regardless, the two systems were much better aligned and phased much better/earlier, driving the trough negative, which pulled the coastal up towards the benchmark instead of out to sea. Let's see the rest of the 0Z suite before thinking anything has really changed vs. the NAM simply being on crack.

CZRb37R.png



Could be a significant NW trend underway, as the RDPS moved a good 40-50 miles NW and is even snowier than the 0Z NAM; see the graphic below. Also, the 0Z Icon (German model, which is not used much) also moved about 75 miles NW and is far snowier (not going to post it, but it's another data point).

3sfBuBI.png


And the 0Z GFS went even further east with snow only along the coast, really (a few inches with little along 95), but it's now alone, as the CMC and the UK both moved significantly west with significant to major snows for most in our area - maps aren't out for those two yet, but have seen the precip fields; maps shortly.

LjlFWC6.png


Below is the map for the much snowier CMC model at 0Z, as it moved NW a good 60 miles from 12Z and below that is the far snowier UK model, which shifted 150 miles NW with the storm track and now shows a raging snowstorm (and possibly blizzard for the coast, especially LI) for our whole area, including even NW areas. Euro up next in 90 minutes and it's been rock solid on a major snowstorm for our area for a couple of days now, so one would expect that to continue and if it does, we'll be looking at a significant to major snowstorm for most of the Philly-NJ-NYC area, except well NW of 95.

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And last but not least, the 0Z Euro actually looked better in the upper levels than the last 2 runs, but was a smidgen less snowy, as the low scooted a bit further east at the end of the run. Still a 4-7" snowfall for the 95 corridor and 7-10" towards the coast and 2-4" NW. Right now, we actually have fairly remarkable alignment among the Euro, CMC, RDPS, NAM, and UK for a general 4-8" for the 95 corridor, 7-12" towards the coast and 2-5" NW. Hoping to see an updated NBM soon. The GFS is a huge outlier. Watches almost certainly to go up for most (probably not for NW areas) with the 4 am package soon.

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Don't give the 18z such a hard time. It lacked input that a butterfly flapped it's wing in South America last week
 
- Big lurch west? Check.
- Weenies back off the ledge? Check.
- Overnight NAM run...NAMs us? Check.

On deck: models start ticking east throughout the day. Weenies enter the Negotiation phase.

And I'm still chuckling how the 0z GFS gave us the "Screw you guys, I'm going home!". Imagine if the 6z verifies.
Rich you’re in Hamilton right? What are we expecting at this point.
 
Rich you’re in Hamilton right? What are we expecting at this point.
Gun to my head, with what I see right now, I would think about 6 inches in Hamilton for the entire event. Depending on where this thing sets up, we could easily get stuck in the subsidence zone (The Screw Zone) and see less, while a few miles down 195 they get buried.

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